Do you think Hawley might go for president after hanging in the Senate for a bit

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He's young, smart, a bit divisive, but I feel like if he stays in the right lines in his party after McConnell retires, he might have a chance.

He's probably so proud of himself after that grilling, I have to admit he did a good job.

I mean this is after we assume the electoral college stays the way it is until like 2036.
TurtleInFreedom posted...
smart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQwPeHctfw8

Simple questions deserve long-winded answers that no one will bother to read.
His presidential ambition is public knowledge
https://imgur.com/gallery/dXDmJHw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75GL-BYZFfY
If there's any justice, that video of Hawley hauling ass on 1/6 to get away from the Trumpist mob (i.e., what he later refers to as peaceful tourists) will be a permanent political handicap.
Maybe, but he's got some baggage.
He's even less charismatic than DeSantis. He has ambitions but they are likely fueled by his own circle assuring him he can do well, which is pretty much the median Republican candidate from this cycle; have your sycophants assure you a victory or a chance, run, get confounded when you are obliterated, see your career tank.

The future of GOP candidates is going to be more celebrities or loud carnival barkers. Hawley is a politics nerd.
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TurtleInFreedom posted...
He's... smart, a bit divisive
What the fuck
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"smart"

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TurtleInFreedom posted...
smart, a bit divisive
the fuck is this lol
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Doe posted...
His presidential ambition is public knowledge

Ah okay.
Questionmarktarius posted...
Maybe, but he's got some baggage.

Yeah the Jan 6 fist bump isn't a good look. But things might change like 10 years down the line, you never know.

The reason I'm bringing this up is because the Dems don't have a plan B after Biden. I'm really worried about 2028, of whether the Republicans are going to calm down and whether the Dems can nominate someone to keep the stability going.
TurtleInFreedom posted...
The reason I'm bringing this up is because the Dems don't have a plan B after Biden.
The Dems have a pretty solid bench of candidates. Pay better attention lol
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Doom_Art posted...
The Dems have a pretty solid bench of candidates. Pay better attention lol

Like? We're talking about the national level here. There's plenty of star democrats who do fantastic in their own constituencies.
TurtleInFreedom posted...
Like?
Whitmer
Newsom
Pritzker
Ossoff
Kelly
Beshear
Shapiro
Moore
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He can try but he like Tom cotton will never be president.
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ClayGuida posted...
He can try but he like Tom cotton will never be president.
Tom Cotton is a charisma void. He would do terribly in a national election.

The worry with him is him getting power by entering into a Republican admin as VP or in a cabinet position
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TurtleInFreedom posted...
smart

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Doom_Art posted...
Whitmer
Newsom
Pritzker
Ossoff
Kelly
Beshear
Shapiro
Moore

I don't see how anyone there would be viable in 2028. Even beyond 2028, it seems like only Ossoff would have had foreign policy experience. I can see Newsom winning the primary but I have doubts about him performing in the general.
TurtleInFreedom posted...
I don't see how anyone there would be viable in 2028.
Elaborate please

TurtleInFreedom posted...
t seems like only Ossoff would have had foreign policy experience
Here's a political secret: voters don't usually give a fuck about foreign policy lol
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Doom_Art posted...
Elaborate please

Here's a political secret: voters don't usually give a fuck about foreign policy lol

I just don't see how they would fare well against a Republican candidate. Most of those governors you've mentioned are too far left in the perception of the public to be able to win some of the swing states. Some of the older governors there don't have that much of a presense in national politics yet, so their candidacy could easily be countered by a more well known Republican.

Ossoff is 36, Americans aren't going to try a 40 year old for president.

As for foreign policy, if the next presidential candidate doesn't understand the dynamics of the developing nations in the Indo-Pacific, Biden's IRA will have been for nothing. Ossoff was the junior senator who went around the Pacific trying to lay ground for the IRA and the CHIPS act.

Overall, sure, the people you've listed might be good from the perspective of the party, but in the general it's a different question.

Why do you think they would do good in the general, if that's what you're asserting?
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shockthemonkey posted...
You know that no one is taking you seriously after your first post?

You replied to that post in like 10 seconds.
I like how TC is pushing the future chances of a generic Republican, conveniently ignoring that once Trump is gone, the GOP will go into an orgy of backstabbing as they all try to become the next Trump.
TurtleInFreedom posted...
I don't see how anyone there would be viable in 2028. Even beyond 2028, it seems like only Ossoff would have had foreign policy experience. I can see Newsom winning the primary but I have doubts about him performing in the general.

...but you are worried about Hawley...
Rage is a hell of an anesthetic.
TurtleInFreedom posted...
Most of those governors you've mentioned are too far left in the perception of the public to be able to win some of the swing states.
Ah yes, noted safe blue states like Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Georgia.

TurtleInFreedom posted...
Some of the older governors there don't have that much of a presense in national politics yet
No one knew who Barack Obama was in early 2004.

TurtleInFreedom posted...
Ossoff is 36, Americans aren't going to try a 40 year old for president.
The country that fans itself over young/handsome politicians like JFK, Clinton, and Obama would certainly vote for a 40 year old incumbent senator.

TurtleInFreedom posted...
As for foreign policy, if the next presidential candidate doesn't understand the dynamics of the developing nations in the Indo-Pacific, Biden's IRA will have been for nothing. Ossoff was the junior senator who went around the Pacific trying to lay ground for the IRA and the CHIPS act.
Okay and that's nice but voters aren't going to care about Indo-Pacific geopolitical dynamics. That's just not a thing most people base their vote on.

TurtleInFreedom posted...
Overall, sure, the people you've listed might be good from the perspective of the party, but in the general it's a different question.
You didn't really answer the question. You just restated your original point and said vagaries like "too left"

TurtleInFreedom posted...
Why do you think they would do good in the general, if that's what you're asserting?
Each of the candidates I listed has either demonstrated the capability of winning elections in swing states or regions where Democrats need to win. In the case of Newsom and Pritzker, even though they're from pretty solidly blue states, they've demonstrated the ability to utilize their respective majorities extremely effectively and communicate their policies to a national audience.
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Heineken14 posted...
...but you are worried about Hawley...
TC is concern trolling. That's all this is.
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EPR-radar posted...
I like how TC is pushing the future chances of a generic Republican, conveniently ignoring that once Trump is gone, the GOP will go into an orgy of backstabbing as they all try to become the next Trump.

If you read a little bit more carefully, I mention 2036, not 2028 or 2032.

Actually, I think it was my mistake trying to share my view, too visceral.

If Art_Doom wants to continue our chat, I'll solely reply to his post.
Doom_Art posted...
In the case of Newsom and Pritzker, even though they're from pretty solidly blue states, they've demonstrated the ability to utilize their respective majorities extremely effectively and communicate their policies to a national audience.

If Newsom is so effective with his majority why does he keep having to veto their proposals? >_>
Stop it. Get some help.
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Anyway Hawley has the best policies of any MAGA Trumplican (which is saying almost nothing), but he fucked up by attaching himself to 1/6. So whenever Trump is moved on from he's also left behind.
Stop it. Get some help.
Doom_Art posted...
Ah yes, noted safe blue states like Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Georgia.

No one knew who Barack Obama was in early 2004.

The country that fans itself over young/handsome politicians like JFK, Clinton, and Obama would certainly vote for a 40 year old incumbent senator.

Okay and that's nice but voters aren't going to care about Indo-Pacific geopolitical dynamics. That's just not a thing most people base their vote on.

You didn't really answer the question. You just restated your original point and said vagaries like "too left"

Each of the candidates I listed has either demonstrated the capability of winning elections in swing states or regions where Democrats need to win. In the case of Newsom and Pritzker, even though they're from pretty solidly blue states, they've demonstrated the ability to utilize their respective majorities extremely effectively and communicate their policies to a national audience.

Well, my criteria for a capable Dem president is someone who can win Pennsylvania and the Carolinas handedly. Michigan and California don't translate too well to the east coast.

As for comparing Ossoff with Obama.. I don't share in your view. Obama has had a wealth of experience growing up, being a third culture kid. Also, he was 47, not 40 when he became president as well. Ossoff hasn't really broken out in the limelight yet, while I do appreciate what he's done so far.

Again, generally, we're not talking about this on the level of the centrist, moderate voter. Someone like Katie Porter would have a much better chance than some of these other candidates you've mentioned, if we're talking about reaching out to the center.
He probably will, but I laughed pretty hard at the claim that the dumb fuck is smart.
Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less.
K181 posted...
He probably will, but I laughed pretty hard at the claim that the dumb fuck is smart.
"a bit divisive" is also a bad fucking joke.
TurtleInFreedom posted...
Well, my criteria for a capable Dem president is someone who can win Pennsylvania and the Carolinas handedly. Michigan and California don't translate too well to the east coast.
Democrats haven't won SC since Carter and have only won NC once since then.

They don't need the Carolinas to win.

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SecretBase posted...
If Newsom is so effective with his majority why does he keep having to veto their proposals? >_>
Because he's clearly trying to run in 2028. So in whatever debates he has going forward, he can trash the left while trying to appeal to the white moderate who likely won't vote for him anyway.
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I don't get this obsession with treating the Carolinas like they aren't irrelevant nothing states. You don't see people pull this shit with, like, Wyoming.
Stop it. Get some help.
Doom_Art posted...
Democrats haven't won SC since Carter and have only won NC once since then.

They don't need the Carolinas to win.

Well yeah I thought like that too until Hillary dropped it in 2016.

The simple fact that there's still a tension in regards to the 2024 election shows that Dems don't have a candidate that can surely secure an election (from 2028 beyond).

I guess political winds can change by then, but at the moment, I'm not as totally confident as I would like.
ClayGuida posted...

Because he's clearly trying to run in 2028. So in whatever debates he has going forward, he can trash the left while trying to appeal to the white moderate who likely won't vote for him anyway.

Exactly. It comes off as poor political instincts. By virtue of being the governor of California he's already gonna have a leftist stigma with those people, but by vetoing every other bill Cali Democrats send to his desk he makes himself look willing to sink party initiatives for the sake of personal ambitions. So both sides end up having an issue with him.
Stop it. Get some help.
TurtleInFreedom posted...
Well yeah I thought like that too until Hillary dropped it in 2016.
Biden won last year without winning either NC or SC

Obama won in 2012 without winning either of them too

SC is something they shouldn't bother with. NC is like how Georgia was in 2020. It's a nice buffer if you run your numbers up, but it's not necessary for a path to victory.

If Dems hold their safe states and win WI, MI, and PA then that's 270. That's the path every nominee needs to go through and I'm confident that the ones I listed can pull that off.
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SecretBase posted...
Exactly. It comes off as poor political instincts. By virtue of being the governor of California he's already gonna have a leftist stigma with those people, but by vetoing every other bill Cali Democrats send to his desk he makes himself look willing to sink party initiatives for the sake of personal ambitions. So both sides end up having an issue with him.
Not really poor instincts. It's smart, it's what politicians have done for decades, prior to politics being so polarized.

But now it's whatever. Either way, some of the things he had to veto were because of overlapping laws and others not being feasible.
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Doom_Art posted...
Biden won last year without winning either NC or SC

Obama won in 2012 without winning either of them too

SC is something they shouldn't bother with. NC is like how Georgia was in 2020. It's a nice buffer if you run your numbers up, but it's not necessary for a path to victory.

If Dems hold their safe states and win WI, MI, and PA then that's 270. That's the path every nominee needs to go through and I'm confident that the ones I listed can pull that off.

Yeah I mean that's the glass half full view lol
TurtleInFreedom posted...
Yeah I mean that's the glass half full view lol
wtf are you talking about
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TurtleInFreedom posted...
smart
First off, lol.

TurtleInFreedom posted...
I feel like if he stays in the right lines in his party after McConnell retires, he might have a chance.

Second off, so here's what comes up when you Google "Josh Hawley salutes terrorists"

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Yeah, best of fucking luck to him.
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Doom_Art posted...
wtf are you talking about

I mean that's the treshhold for victory, but it's not something that inspires confidence. If you enter an election with that exact strategy, as is, the Republicans will try and squeeze in whatever to destablize that lead or strategy. Your win, politically, should be to overcompensate. That's just my take.
ClayGuida posted...
Not really poor instincts. It's smart, it's what politicians have done for decades, prior to politics being so polarized.

Outdated tactics are bad tactics. Candidates have to adapt to the climate we have now instead of robotically following conventional knowledge.
Stop it. Get some help.
Will the man who likes to question "the balls" of everyone else run for president?

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He runs pretty well, so we'll have to wait and see.
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TurtleInFreedom posted...
That's just my take.
It's a bad one.

You win by hitting 270 electoral votes. Obviously campaign for more if you can, but that's what you're aiming for and you pick the quickest, easiest route there.
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