Killers of the Flower Moon wasn't really that good IMO (spoilers)

Not saying it was bad. It was well made and well acted overall.
But, you basically know exactly what everyone is doing, why they are doing it, and how they are doing it from the very beginning. There is no intrigue, no mystery or anything of the sort. I find that to be kind of boring.

6/10

I can't say I've ever seen a 6 out 10 rating for a piece of media and thought that means its not bad.

8/10

Too long

DeadBankerDream posted...

I can't say I've ever seen a 6 out 10 rating for a piece of media and thought that means its not bad.

6 for movies does mean not bad. Always the case.

DeadBankerDream posted...

I can't say I've ever seen a 6 out 10 rating for a piece of media and thought that means its not bad.

6 of 10 is pretty much "average"

Painless, but unremarkable.

honestly the fact that the film was still so compelling despite all that is why it's so great. i don't think it needed to be some murder mystery about who did what, scorsese's objective with making this film was very clear, to shine light on something largely unknown, and showcase the kind of people capable of it. the tracking shots in the aftermath of the atrocities committed are some of the most devastating and effective i've seen in a movie in years

Delirious_Beard posted...

honestly the fact that the film was still so compelling despite all that is why it's so great. i don't think it needed to be some murder mystery about who did what, scorsese's objective with making this film was very clear, to shine light on something largely unknown, and showcase the kind of people capable of it. the tracking shots in the aftermath of the atrocities committed are some of the most devastating and effective i've seen in a movie in years

I agree. Saw it last night and expected to have to pause it halfway through and come back to it, but I never lost interest or felt overwhelmed by it, it kept my attention. It's kind of like Titanic... everyone knew what was going to happen, but the presentation makes you stick around anyway. Except this movie was even more real because it was based on real people ,whereas the two main characters in the former were fiction and the historical figures were side characters.

Like Mollie said, it was just like Tulsa, and like the Tulsa race riots, I had no clue any of this happened... it was never taught in school. I didn't learn about the events in Tulsa until years after I graduated and found an online article about them. I didn't know about the Osage murders until I saw this movie.

mercurydude posted...

I agree. Saw it last night and expected to have to pause it halfway through and come back to it, but I never lost interest or felt overwhelmed by it, it kept my attention. It's kind of like Titanic... everyone knew what was going to happen, but the presentation makes you stick around anyway. Except this movie was even more real because it was based on real people ,whereas the two main characters in the former were fiction and the historical figures were side characters.

Like Mollie said, it was just like Tulsa, and like the Tulsa race riots, I had no clue any of this happened... it was never taught in school. I didn't learn about the events in Tulsa until years after I graduated and found an online article about them. I didn't know about the Osage murders until I saw this movie.

We do a monstrous disservice to everyone involved with the way we teach history here in the US. Especially when it comes to the treatment of minorities in general and the outright genocide we committed against the Natives Americans.

At best you might be taught that the "Indian Wars" were a thing that happened during the westesrn expansion post civil war. We never get taught about what that actually meant though. Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee should be required reading material. The sheer amount of murder and trauma packed into 25 year period is mind boggling. The Sand Creek Massacre is one of the most awful things I've ever read about, and it was passed off in the papers as a great victory, instead of the murder of a bunch of women, children and the elderly.

Delirious_Beard posted...

honestly the fact that the film was still so compelling despite all that is why it's so great. i don't think it needed to be some murder mystery about who did what, scorsese's objective with making this film was very clear, to shine light on something largely unknown, and showcase the kind of people capable of it. the tracking shots in the aftermath of the atrocities committed are some of the most devastating and effective i've seen in a movie in years

I get why other people like it, I just prefer more "unknown" aspects of movies in general.
I am really glad the movie got made though, like you said, to shine light on a part of history that may people are unaware of.