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Gladius_ posted...
Your statement is easily proven untrue by abortion alone. More women support our right to bodily autonomy than men. The majority of anti choice proponents aren't women. It's men.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/

The difference is small and it supports what I said. Most men just go along with what women think, which is what you'd expect to see. If the proportions were reversed you'd have a point though.
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runewalshPSiv posted...
I just wanted to know how banning abortion hurts a transwoman. No shit people will vote against their own interests, we see it all the time.
Planned parenthood provides HRT and other resources to trans women.
No abortion? No Planned Parenthood.
No Planned Parenthood? No endocrinology services for trans folks.
No endo? No HRT.
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Gladius_ posted...
This isn't the case. The numbers being "close" do not support your conclusion.
I said men tend to defer, though. Not that they always do. That can easily be the case with the stats.
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well yeah half* the women in the country vote for a political party that actively hates them

*it's probably less than 50% at this point, I hope
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thronedfire2 posted...
well yeah half* the women in the country vote for a political party that actively hates them

*it's probably less than 50% at this point, I hope
Most people realize there's more than one issue they're voting on when it comes time to vote. It's why you see this from every group that votes "against their interests" as it's put
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ManicPlumber77 posted...
Planned parenthood provides HRT and other resources to trans women.
No abortion? No Planned Parenthood.
No Planned Parenthood? No endocrinology services for trans folks.
No endo? No HRT.

I wasn't aware that endocrinologists don't exist outside of planned parenthood.
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runewalshPSiv posted...
I wasn't aware that endocrinologists don't exist outside of planned parenthood.

Planned Parenthood going away would make lots of services inaccessible to women in certain places/on certain budgets
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runewalshPSiv posted...
I wasn't aware that endocrinologists don't exist outside of planned parenthood.

My life would be much different without Planned Parenthood.
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Asherlee10 posted...
It's a non-profit organization that provides those services for no or low cost to individuals. Don't be snarky when you don't know what you are talking about.

Free healthcare through whatever state you're in will also provide you the same services from whatever specialist doctor you need.
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runewalshPSiv posted...
Free healthcare through whatever state you're in will also provide you the same services from whatever specialist doctor you need.

healthcare stops being free when you need a specialist
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Most of this stems from second-wave feminism. That's where you get the extremists like TERFs.
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DementedDurian posted...
Most of this stems from second-wave feminism. That's where you get the extremists like TERFs.

It's kinda funny how not-wrong you are and how the anti-sex movement and the sex wars cascaded into the bullshit we have today
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DementedDurian posted...
Most of this stems from second-wave feminism. That's where you get the extremists like TERFs.
Is your post saying that Feminism is only the TERFs and the "true good willed feminist"?

Because feminism definitely includes a portion of the population that has a more toxic definition to it that isn't the TERF definition.
runewalshPSiv posted...
Free healthcare

lmfao
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Asherlee10 posted...
Planned Parenthood IS one of very few free healthcare options and you think it's fine to shut it down. It's ignorant.

Not to mention, Planned Parenthood might be the only place that offers a full spectrum of reproductive healthcare options. Like just fuck off, dude.

Do you want to quote where I said to shut it down? I just said planned parenthood is not the only place that exists where you can see an endocrinologist.
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runewalshPSiv posted...
Do you want to quote where I said to shut it down? I just said planned parenthood is not the only place that exists where you can see an endocrinologist.
Yet it's by and away the easier and more common option.

It's like saying banning apartment complexes wouldn't effect housing because people can live in houses.
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Tyranthraxus posted...
lmfao


Yeah. In my state if you make under a certain income you can get free healthcare through the state. Well basically free, it might cost you at most $20 in co pays per year.
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runewalshPSiv posted...
How would banning abortion hurt a transwoman? It's not like they can have kids.
Theyre saying that a terf will support anti-abortion candidates or just reactionary candidates in general just because theyre also anti-trans.
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LSGW_Zephyra posted...
It's almost like when you learn that the biggest supporters of trans women are lesbians lol

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Gladius_ posted...
"Can be" the case isn't a definitive conclusion and the stats don't showcase that's the case.
Really, the position of being pro-choice is a deference to womens' judgment in itself. It's the choice of the woman, after all.
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I don't know what you're even arguing anymore. You've conceded that most men are pro-choice so you now seem to be trying to frame it in a way that isn't a deferential position by nature?

You should really just pick a better example because abortion rights are probably the single worst one you could've picked as an example of how men don't care what women think is best
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pazzy posted...
It's not a problem. Criticism should in fact exist from the very people involved in it. Too often do we see people having the expectation that people should just fall in line. Groupthink is probably the most dangerous expectation anyone can have.


Agreed.
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Gladius_ posted...
I am arguing that men don't support pro choice simply because "women think it's important." That's a gross over simplification of things.
No it's literally what the term "pro-choice" means. The only way your position makes sense is if you think those men who are pro-choice are somehow under the impression that they're the ones who get to choose. OR that "pro-choice" is understood as "pro-abortion". And hey, maybe you do think that 58% of men just want to maximize the number of abortions that happen by any means necessary. I'm told by conservatives that that's the case with the pro-choice camp. But otherwise, they're literally advocating for women to be the free agent in the matter, which is literally deferential.

You really can't escape this if you're characterizing support for legal abortions as pro-choice, it's just what the word choice means .
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Oh wow I just read your most recent post and you actually do make the conservative argument (pro-choicers just want lots of abortions to happen, period)

Welp. I guess we're gonna agree to disagree here.
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