After putting time back into Gran Turismo 7, Forza 2023 is fuckin' BAD.

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Current Events » After putting time back into Gran Turismo 7, Forza 2023 is fuckin' BAD.
The actual driving in Forza Motorsport (2023) is fantastic when it's working, but literally every other aspect of this game is so fucking bad compared to GT7.

I think I'm already calling it on my Forza time. I've put like 3K hours into Forza Motorsport 7. I put 1K hours into GT7. I'm so fucking exhausted playing Forza with all it's issues still 3 months after release. I've still put like 100 hours into the damn game but that's so damn small for me on racing games. >_>

rip forza
I'm a long, long way from giving up
Call me old-fashioned, call me a fool
yeah, its unfortunate. Xbox just cant seem to get a single win.
"We would have no NBA possibly if they got rid of all the flopping." ~ Dwyane Wade
I haven't played the Spec II update of GT7 yet, and holy shit this has fixed so many of my money earning issues of the game lol.

RIP Turn 10, what the fuck did you release.
I'm a long, long way from giving up
Call me old-fashioned, call me a fool
I'm doing a 1 hour endurance race and I just realized I don't think I even trust Forza to not CRASH over a whole hour, yet alone DO an hour long race lmao.
I'm a long, long way from giving up
Call me old-fashioned, call me a fool
solosnake posted...
yeah, its unfortunate. Xbox just cant seem to get a single win.

Oh because a single user on Gamefaqs dislike it it must be bad right? Imagine defending GT7 which has a 2.3 user rating on Metacritic and has microtransactions up the wazoo LMAO.

https://www.metacritic.com/game/gran-turismo-7/

Meanwhile FM8 won two awards at the Game Awards LMAO.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Game_Awards_2023
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Fenriswolf posted...
Oh because a single user on Gamefaqs dislike it it must be bad right? Imagine defending GT7 which has a 2.3 user rating on Metacritic and has microtransactions up the wazoo LMAO.

https://www.metacritic.com/game/gran-turismo-7/
He's an insane Sony Pony. You should see the shitty topics he makes trying to backhandedly attack Microsoft & Xbox.
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Fenriswolf posted...
Oh because a single user on Gamefaqs dislike it it must be bad right? Imagine defending GT7 which has a 2.3 user rating on Metacritic and has microtransactions up the wazoo LMAO.

I assume you have not played either game based entirely on this post.
I'm a long, long way from giving up
Call me old-fashioned, call me a fool
Who cares about user ratings
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Irony posted...
Who cares about user ratings

Bad faith trolls.

I'd pick playing Forza 7 over Forza 2023 based entirely on how unstable Forza 2023 is right now.

Also Forza is the entire reason I've purchased the last 3 gens of Xbox consoles, so trying to frame me as some Sony/GT fanboy is wild lol.

The Series X I bought almost exclusively was Forza lol. I got a 360 to play Forza 3, for example lol.

I'd love for the game to return to the feel the series used to have, but god damn it's hollow right now.
I'm a long, long way from giving up
Call me old-fashioned, call me a fool
I have GT7 but i think i need to unlock all the licenses before I can more races? Im so lost in that game lol

I really liked the last Forza Horizons though.
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What's the issue with it? Does it just crash a lot?

Just realized I haven't played either of them since back in the GT3 Forza.... 2? Days. :(
Rage is a hell of an anesthetic.
I bought Forza 6 and didn't have much fun at all compared to the last time I played a Gran Turismo game...which was 3.
Error1355 posted...
I assume you have not played either game based entirely on this post.
Do you consider yourself a big fan of gt7?
Error1355 posted...
Bad faith trolls.

So are you calling the people who have legitimate grievances over the grinding and even more expensive microtransactions to be trolls? Keep in mind GT7 has a year's headstart, so comparing GT7 with updates vs FM8 at launch is laughable.
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MrResetti posted...
I bought Forza 6 and didn't have much fun at all compared to the last time I played a Gran Turismo game...which was 3.
3 was probably the last really good game
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To be clear with my post, I was talking about the person he was quoting, solosnake. He's the Sony Pony.
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I swear Fenriswolf is like Draje but against Sony. Never fails to pop up in a Sony topic to try and belittle them lol
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Bandit_Keith posted...
To be clear with my post, I was talking about the person he was quoting, solosnake. He's the Sony Pony.
lol, i havent even owned a sony console since ps3

Beyond that i hate most of their exclusives.

Must have me confused with someone else or you just make a hell of a lot of assumptions
"We would have no NBA possibly if they got rid of all the flopping." ~ Dwyane Wade
I really like how they turned the previous ones into mild clown shows, which can be tolerated as I always was a fan of trying to legitimately race a vandura or ram srt 10 around a circuit. I'd usually finish mid pack, but that's how it goes when people use you to corner and touching 1 wrong corner you go orbital.

So they de-list the games, and try to go back to serious business. Can't even do that right somehow...
It's a shame, but tbh I've kinda grown out of them anyways due to personal issues.
Heineken14 posted...
What's the issue with it? Does it just crash a lot?

Forza 2023 looks better on my Series X than my PC with an i9-12900KF and 3080. The software is so poorly optimized on PC. I will still, multiple patches in, run into major issues where the game will just tank in frame rate and have some terrible flickering issues. I have to generally reboot the software to correct it. On Series X it doesn't need to be rebooted frequently but also if I have hardware better tahn it WHY ISN'T IT WORKING BETTER THAN THE SERIES X.

Anyway.

Fenriswolf posted...
So are you calling the people who have legitimate grievances over the grinding and even more expensive microtransactions to be trolls?

I'm calling people who are holding onto GT7 at launch to be the exact same as GT7 right now as trolls, yeah. Just like how micro transactions were not a problem in Forza 7, they are not a problem in GT7 either.

It was overblown at launch on both games (Forza 7 also never even HAD paid for micro transactions, where GT7 did, funny enough).
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Which is crazy, because FM has been so much better than GT for a minute now. WTF happened?
It is impossible to live in the past, difficult to live in the present, and a waste to live in the future.
ItsNotA2Mer posted...
Which is crazy, because FM has been so much better than GT for a minute now. WTF happened?
I've stayed far the hell away from their official forums/stuff for a while now, but didn't they like start banning people for criticizing or even suggesting stuff to help the series/games? Even reporting bug/glitches got a few people hit iirc. If that's the case, then they brought it on themselves.

I know they got real ban happy over some liveries for a period, but for some reason I have my suspicions that SLR with swastikas and a penis still exists in FM2 after I reported it and still saw it sitting there 2 years later. Assuming the server for it is even up still.
solosnake posted...
lol, i havent even owned a sony console since ps3

Beyond that i hate most of their exclusives.

Must have me confused with someone else or you just make a hell of a lot of assumptions
No, I'm going by the bullshit topics you many attacking Microsoft. And when caught in it and called out, you close the topics. I'm not confused at all.
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Bandit_Keith posted...
No, I'm going by the bullshit topics you many attacking Microsoft. And when caught in it and called out, you close the topics. I'm not confused at all.

I have no clue what you are talking about. I cant recall closing any topics. I love the series x. I am allowed to be disappointed that every big release has been some level of disappointment. That doesnt mean im a sony pony or whatever nonsense you are spewing. You should go outside
"We would have no NBA possibly if they got rid of all the flopping." ~ Dwyane Wade
lol
I'm a long, long way from giving up
Call me old-fashioned, call me a fool
solosnake posted...
I have no clue what you are talking about. I cant recall closing any topics. I love the series x. I am allowed to be disappointed that every big release has been some level of disappointment. That doesnt mean im a sony pony or whatever nonsense you are spewing. You should go outside
BS and deflection. You literally just closed your topic a week or two ago when you made a poll asking if Xbox should shut down and just have Gamepass on Sony and Nintendo consoles. You were called out, did the same song and dance you're doing here saying you have a Series X, then you closed the topic. That's just the most recent one off the top of my head out of plenty that you've done, bro.
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TC are you playing on PC or console?

I've put a lot of hours into the Series X version and haven't had any system crashes yet. GT7 handling feels slightly better, but that's mainly because the dualsense is a better controller. Overall I like the career mode and online gameplay in FM more than GT7.
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I played new Forza on Gamepass. It looks just awful and the game is so very barebones. But I still had a blast playing it.
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I haven't played GT7, but from what I've seen of it there's no vehicle damage and they still have overtake-the-parade instead of races. If that's true, it can't be better than Forza. Those are inexcusable. It's really a shame because GT7 looks pretty but some poor design choices destroy it.
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Purple_Cheetah posted...
I've stayed far the hell away from their official forums/stuff for a while now, but didn't they like start banning people for criticizing or even suggesting stuff to help the series/games? Even reporting bug/glitches got a few people hit iirc. If that's the case, then they brought it on themselves.

I know they got real ban happy over some liveries for a period, but for some reason I have my suspicions that SLR with swastikas and a penis still exists in FM2 after I reported it and still saw it sitting there 2 years later. Assuming the server for it is even up still.
or forza forums, do this? sad. GT prob doesn't do it. I like gt a lot better anyway.
GranTurismo posted...
or forza forums, do this? sad. GT prob doesn't do it. I like gt a lot better anyway.
Turn 10 forums/site would do it/did it. I don't recall the specifics as it's been a while, but I do remember there was a time that if you questioned certain content such as why they had a preset shape in the livery editor, you could get nailed.
For example, the Japanese rising sun design. It was fine in game for the most part for a long time, namely if you kept it to yourself and only in single player use. Then they started banning certain people with it even if they kept it private. Some then pointed out one of their preset shapes is/was literally a rising sun itself. This resulted in the ones pointing out Turn 10's logic getting banned, but the preset shape remained.

I think someone actually got banned for complaining about them not looking into reports when someone was still seeing racist/hate designs they were reporting. Some got banned complaining about the car selection in DLC.

I basically learned to not even bother posting there, and if I play the games I might get banned in game because someone got offended at the color of my brake calipers that particular moon phase.

There were other weird/random instances, but I don't know them all off hand.
Purple_Cheetah posted...
For example, the Japanese rising sun design. It was fine in game for the most part for a long time, namely if you kept it to yourself and only in single player use. Then they started banning certain people with it even if they kept it private. Some then pointed out one of their preset shapes is/was literally a rising sun itself. This resulted in the ones pointing out Turn 10's logic getting banned, but the preset shape remained.

Except for the fact that the flag is seen as offensive by many East Asians and is banned in South Korea, and is largely used by right-wing Japanese groups? It would be akin to someone flying the Confederate flag after 2020.
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Purple_Cheetah posted...
Turn 10 forums/site would do it/did it. I don't recall the specifics as it's been a while, but I do remember there was a time that if you questioned certain content such as why they had a preset shape in the livery editor, you could get nailed.
For example, the Japanese rising sun design. It was fine in game for the most part for a long time, namely if you kept it to yourself and only in single player use. Then they started banning certain people with it even if they kept it private. Some then pointed out one of their preset shapes is/was literally a rising sun itself. This resulted in the ones pointing out Turn 10's logic getting banned, but the preset shape remained.

I think someone actually got banned for complaining about them not looking into reports when someone was still seeing racist/hate designs they were reporting. Some got banned complaining about the car selection in DLC.

I basically learned to not even bother posting there, and if I play the games I might get banned in game because someone got offended at the color of my brake calipers that particular moon phase.

There were other weird/random instances, but I don't know them all off hand.
why would turn 10 care, rising sign character? makes no sense.
GranTurismo posted...
why would turn 10 care, rising sign character? makes no sense.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rising_Sun_Flag#Controversy
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Fenriswolf posted...
Except for the fact that the flag is seen as offensive by many East Asians and is banned in South Korea, and is largely used by right-wing Japanese groups? It would be akin to someone flying the Confederate flag after 2020.
I know that, but what I'm saying is that it was literally fine in game, even multiplayer, from FM2 in 2007 all the way until sometime around 2016-2018, where it suddenly got people banned. There was no heads up, and it caused more confusion than anything else. People eventually figured out the reason.

However, in the preset shapes there was one that was very similiar to a rising sun, from Turn 10 themselves. When people pointed out if that was ok or hypocrisy, they got banned. Then someone who tested it by putting just the shape, got banned. So basically Turn 10 was putting bannable content in their own game and banned someone for it.

Oh and to be fair, Turn 10 did/does remove the SS badging from GM vehicles because of the German SS... A slight stretch, but whatever I kinda got over it though find it a bit dumb. It's still in the vehicle name iirc.
GranTurismo posted...
or forza forums, do this? sad. GT prob doesn't do it. I like gt a lot better anyway.

Um, GT does egregious bans too. Look at the subreddit for instance, some one got a week's suspension for having 666 in his license plate, another one for making a dick joke.

https://www.reddit.com/r/granturismo/comments/thic4n/got_my_psn_banned_for_a_week_because_of_something/
https://www.reddit.com/r/GranTurismo7/comments/zu0ysb/7_day_ban_from_psn/
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Fenriswolf posted...
Um, GT does egregious bans too. Look at the subreddit for instance, some one got a week's suspension for having 666 in his license plate, another one for making a dick joke.

https://www.reddit.com/r/granturismo/comments/thic4n/got_my_psn_banned_for_a_week_because_of_something/
https://www.reddit.com/r/GranTurismo7/comments/zu0ysb/7_day_ban_from_psn/
but was those bans for questioning the game's content, how good it was?
GranTurismo posted...
but was those bans for questioning the game's content, how good it was?

Pretty sure like this site, how you say it matters as much as what you say. Did the person engage in trolling and abusive comments in their topic? And it sounds like they're suspended from the forum, not the game itself.
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Dakimakura posted...
I played new Forza on Gamepass. It looks just awful and the game is so very barebones. But I still had a blast playing it.
Series peaked with 4. They started to put the rest of cars as DLC till the time the license runs out. They usually go on sale or are free. If you dont mind playing long after every one is left to play the next one
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