We're at near record unemployment now so what are you talking about?The difference being that AI has no purpose other than eliminating the human aspect from jobs, if we're being honest. The better it gets, the less of us are needed.
Humanity has never in the slightest had difficulty creating new jobs for themselves regardless of our technological advancements the past 2 century's.
AI will not charge that and idk why people are so quick to believe otherwise because some moron on TV said so.
you dont actually understand what Ai is, do you
The difference being that AI has no purpose other than eliminating the human aspect from jobs, if we're being honest. The better it gets, the less of us are needed.Thats not any different at all actually from any of the prior innovations we've had in the past.
Not saying I'm a fortune teller or psychic, but the endgame of unregulated AI growth is bad for us.
I feel like everyone is ignoring that they hired an actual voice actor to record the lines and used the AI to just make his voice sound closer to the original actors. They didn't just plug the lines into a computer and say "speak," they used an actual person and modified his voice. No voice actor was put out of work and the family gave permission, how is this a terrible thing?
I feel like everyone is ignoring that they hired an actual voice actor to record the lines and used the AI to just make his voice sound closer to the original actors. They didn't just plug the lines into a computer and say "speak," they used an actual person and modified his voice. No voice actor was put out of work and the family gave permission, how is this a terrible thing?Because why bother hiring a high end voice actor if you can hire some fresh face rookie at a tenth of the price, still get the high end actors voice and a similar performance? Considering right now they technically didn't have to ask for permission. There's nothing saying you actually own your voice.
Thats not any different at all actually from any of the prior innovations we've had in the past.No, I'm well aware of history. The problem is, an automatic loom wasn't going to learn how to operate itself.
I get why many would believe this at face value but History hasn't supported it at all.
This might not come soon, but it is what it is. I think it's more you don't understand the full scope of what AI is capable of.No, but I do understand that humanitys desires, needs and wants are infinite. And no matter what AIs limits are will never saturate these things. This is why our jobs creation has never been impeded by innovation in the past, and why it will be so in the future.
You can't look in to the past for predictions on something based entirely on the future. We're in uncharted waters.
No, but I do understand that humanitys desires, needs and wants are infinite. And no matter what AIs limits are will never saturate these things. This is why our jobs creation has never been impeded by innovation in the past, and why it will be so in the future.So then since you know about capitalism and job creation... What's left when we're no longer needed for arts? No longer needed for computer inputs? No longer needed for factory work? No longer needed for basic labor tasks such as farming and maintenance?
Uncharted waters are new and scary but once explored is usually just another body of water.
So then since you know about capitalism and job creation... What's left when we're no longer needed for arts? No longer needed for computer inputs? No longer needed for factory work? No longer needed for basic labor tasks such as farming and maintenance?Well just invent new jobs
Once AI gets big most of our work will be around preserving AI to do these tasks.
There's not limitless fields of work. There's only so much we can create before we basically reduce ourselves to medical peasantry again.
Well just invent new jobs
AI needs to be banned from creating art before it's too lateHow do you ban something from art?
So then since you know about capitalism and job creation... What's left when we're no longer needed for arts? No longer needed for computer inputs? No longer needed for factory work? No longer needed for basic labor tasks such as farming and maintenance?He'll be like "I dunno, but we'll definitely discover a new field that can easily employ hundreds of millions of people and provide them with well-paying satisfying work!"
Once AI gets big most of our work will be around preserving AI to do these tasks.
There's not limitless fields of work. There's only so much we can create before we basically reduce ourselves to medieval peasantry again.
How do you ban something from art?Allowing people to own what they make a and limiting what AI can train off of without permission of the owner would be an amazing start.
How do you ban something from art?You say "You can't use AI to create art" and make it law.
Legit told everyone I knew there was no way that was a human voice and they told me he was just replaced. Have no idea how people can be so bad at spotting it.I imagine that there are substantially fewer players who listened to the Polish dub than other options.
the issue is that jobs arent getting replaced at a 1:1 ratio. thats why UBI or banning AI is required. doing nothing will lead to riots and collapse of societythe only way ubi even has a chance of working is to salary cap everyone at 500k max and good luck getting the wealth hoarders to agree to that
I imagine that there are substantially fewer players who listened to the Polish dub than other options.True. I'm trying to learn it as I have a few friends who speak it, and although I asked them to check it I doubt they really did lol
Allowing people to own what they make a and limiting what AI can train off of without permission of the owner would be an amazing start.It might delay the inevitable. A tiny bit.
the only way ubi even has a chance of working is to salary cap everyone at 500k max and good luck getting the wealth hoarders to agree to that
We're at near record unemployment now so what are you talking about?how are you going to create new jobs when A.I can just replace you at all of them
Humanity has never in the slightest had difficulty creating new jobs for themselves regardless of our technological advancements the past 2 century's.
AI will not charge that and idk why people are so quick to believe otherwise because some moron on TV said so.
Prismsblade posted... Thats not any different at all actually from any of the prior innovations we've had in the past.it is extremely different, nothing we ever built in the past has the potential to replace us completely, the better A.I gets the less it need us to exist
I get why many would believe this at face value but History hasn't supported it at all.
You say "You can't use AI to create art" and make it law.
If humans don't even have art to themselves, then why do we even exist? Are we going to let AI love too? Capitalism would probably find a way to let AI give birth to children if it was possible.
The imagination should not be something where humans are replaced
with machines merely imitating emotion.
What's left when we're no longer needed for arts? No longer needed for computer inputs? No longer needed for factory work? No longer needed for basic labor tasks such as farming and maintenance?I don't believe that's ever going to happen actually.
I don't believe that's ever going to happen actually.give it about 10 years and you will be jobless because A.I will replace your job and everyone else's
But frankly I have no idea what jobs we're think of for ourselves in the future. There are jobs now our grandparents couldnt have even imagine we'd have now when they were young.
seems kinda meta
AI needs to be banned from creating art before it's too late
I feel like a lot of people are missing the context provided earlier. The voice isn't just AI. There's a person.
This is something you would like the government to do. You would like some form of art police, ensuring the purity of all artworks. Somehow.You make it sound strange when all I'm basically saying is that no one should be able to profit or make a career out of fake art.
Weird slippery slope fallacy. Why would allowing AI art prevent humans from making art? Why cannot the handcrafted stand alongside the mass machine produced, as it already does in many areas?
As for AI taking over love and childbirth, how does that even work, are you writing a bad sci fi novel?
Your imagination is not replaced. You remain free to imagine whatever you like.
All art 'imitates' emotion. It's not the emotion itself, but a representation.
They should have just replaced the voice from that point on,this AI bs needs to stop
What about permission from the actual person? The family might be just taking advantage to get more money
When actors died mid-film in pre-AI days, they used stand-ins and editing to cover for it. Was that wrong?
You make it sound strange when all I'm basically saying is that no one should be able to profit or make a career out of fake art.
Art is something that comes from the human imagination, creative works that are oftentimes an expression of our emotions. And you're cool with capitalism using machines to replace that uniquely human concept with a crude, mechanical imitation.
If someone wants to make AI art, they can post it for free on social media and dying message boards like a goddamn normal person.
AI doesn't have beliefs. It doesn't have views and emotions and personal life experiences. It doesn't get art.
Slaving away at a fast food counter or a factory line isn't human artistic expression, but painting or music or acting is.
I really don't like the "family gave permission" cop out because it assumes that the VA wanted the family to be the arbiter of that decision and because it isn't very limited. Like can CDPR go use this vocal necromancy for future games so long as they still have the family's permission?In future, performers will need to take account of AI when disposing of their rights in their will.
This really has no bearing on the discussion which is about AI taking jobs from artists. Stand ins and body/voice doubles still required real people and real make-up artists to do work.
the only way ubi even has a chance of working is to salary cap everyone at 500k max and good luck getting the wealth hoarders to agree to thatWe dont need to get the wealthy to agree to it. Fuck the wealthy. They can follow the law like anyone else. Just need to vote for a party that will actually implement policy that will benefit the masses. Bernie was gonna be good until America decided it needed Trump
And doing this for a cyberpunk game? Man that feels fitting for how gross this is.Game about soul crushing corporatism features soul crushing corporatism behind the scenes. We're cruising towards the cyberpunk future with all the downside and none of the up.
Also, just in case anyone missed it, this is about the Polish dub, not the English one, English Vektor is still alive and kickin'. Seemed to be some confusion in previous posts so just clarifyin.A few people seem to be also missing the fact the voice actor died, and his family allowed his voice to be used like this.