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Prismsblade posted...
We're at near record unemployment now so what are you talking about?

Humanity has never in the slightest had difficulty creating new jobs for themselves regardless of our technological advancements the past 2 century's.

AI will not charge that and idk why people are so quick to believe otherwise because some moron on TV said so.
The difference being that AI has no purpose other than eliminating the human aspect from jobs, if we're being honest. The better it gets, the less of us are needed.

Not saying I'm a fortune teller or psychic, but the endgame of unregulated AI growth is bad for us.
Rika_Furude posted...
you dont actually understand what Ai is, do you

Prismsblade has a history of shilling for capitalism, so that post (humanity is fine at creating new jobs) is in character for them.
"The US is not a single country. It is ~20 developed countries being held hostage by ~25 developing countries and ~5 failed states." -Calintares
I feel like everyone is ignoring that they hired an actual voice actor to record the lines and used the AI to just make his voice sound closer to the original actors. They didn't just plug the lines into a computer and say "speak," they used an actual person and modified his voice. No voice actor was put out of work and the family gave permission, how is this a terrible thing?
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R_Jackal posted...
The difference being that AI has no purpose other than eliminating the human aspect from jobs, if we're being honest. The better it gets, the less of us are needed.

Not saying I'm a fortune teller or psychic, but the endgame of unregulated AI growth is bad for us.
Thats not any different at all actually from any of the prior innovations we've had in the past.

I get why many would believe this at face value but History hasn't supported it at all.
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codey posted...
I feel like everyone is ignoring that they hired an actual voice actor to record the lines and used the AI to just make his voice sound closer to the original actors. They didn't just plug the lines into a computer and say "speak," they used an actual person and modified his voice. No voice actor was put out of work and the family gave permission, how is this a terrible thing?

In this case, sure. But it begs the question of whats gonna happen when the technology gets good enough to actually replace a voice actor entirely, not just assist with a replacement.
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codey posted...
I feel like everyone is ignoring that they hired an actual voice actor to record the lines and used the AI to just make his voice sound closer to the original actors. They didn't just plug the lines into a computer and say "speak," they used an actual person and modified his voice. No voice actor was put out of work and the family gave permission, how is this a terrible thing?
Because why bother hiring a high end voice actor if you can hire some fresh face rookie at a tenth of the price, still get the high end actors voice and a similar performance? Considering right now they technically didn't have to ask for permission. There's nothing saying you actually own your voice.
Prismsblade posted...
Thats not any different at all actually from any of the prior innovations we've had in the past.

I get why many would believe this at face value but History hasn't supported it at all.
No, I'm well aware of history. The problem is, an automatic loom wasn't going to learn how to operate itself.

Eventually, AI will be capable of self moderation and will no longer require correction as the models it work off of become more complete. It'll likely even be capable of regulating server farms for itself remotely, only needing humans for the labor aspects.

This might not come soon, but it is what it is. I think it's more you don't understand the full scope of what AI is capable of.

You can't look in to the past for predictions on something based entirely on the future. We're in uncharted waters.
If this is to replace a VA who died during recording, then I'm cool with it. But only in that situation.

Art needs to be done by humans and humans alone.
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R_Jackal posted...
This might not come soon, but it is what it is. I think it's more you don't understand the full scope of what AI is capable of.

You can't look in to the past for predictions on something based entirely on the future. We're in uncharted waters.
No, but I do understand that humanitys desires, needs and wants are infinite. And no matter what AIs limits are will never saturate these things. This is why our jobs creation has never been impeded by innovation in the past, and why it will be so in the future.

Uncharted waters are new and scary but once explored is usually just another body of water.
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Prismsblade posted...
No, but I do understand that humanitys desires, needs and wants are infinite. And no matter what AIs limits are will never saturate these things. This is why our jobs creation has never been impeded by innovation in the past, and why it will be so in the future.

Uncharted waters are new and scary but once explored is usually just another body of water.
So then since you know about capitalism and job creation... What's left when we're no longer needed for arts? No longer needed for computer inputs? No longer needed for factory work? No longer needed for basic labor tasks such as farming and maintenance?

Once AI gets big most of our work will be around preserving AI to do these tasks.

There's not limitless fields of work. There's only so much we can create before we basically reduce ourselves to medieval peasantry again.
R_Jackal posted...
So then since you know about capitalism and job creation... What's left when we're no longer needed for arts? No longer needed for computer inputs? No longer needed for factory work? No longer needed for basic labor tasks such as farming and maintenance?

Once AI gets big most of our work will be around preserving AI to do these tasks.

There's not limitless fields of work. There's only so much we can create before we basically reduce ourselves to medical peasantry again.
Well just invent new jobs
AI needs to be banned from creating art before it's too late
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Rika_Furude posted...
Well just invent new jobs

You jest, but capitalist shills (including a few on here) actually believe this.
"The US is not a single country. It is ~20 developed countries being held hostage by ~25 developing countries and ~5 failed states." -Calintares
hockeybub89 posted...
AI needs to be banned from creating art before it's too late
How do you ban something from art?
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R_Jackal posted...
So then since you know about capitalism and job creation... What's left when we're no longer needed for arts? No longer needed for computer inputs? No longer needed for factory work? No longer needed for basic labor tasks such as farming and maintenance?

Once AI gets big most of our work will be around preserving AI to do these tasks.

There's not limitless fields of work. There's only so much we can create before we basically reduce ourselves to medieval peasantry again.
He'll be like "I dunno, but we'll definitely discover a new field that can easily employ hundreds of millions of people and provide them with well-paying satisfying work!"
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ai123 posted...
How do you ban something from art?
Allowing people to own what they make a and limiting what AI can train off of without permission of the owner would be an amazing start.
ai123 posted...
How do you ban something from art?
You say "You can't use AI to create art" and make it law.

If humans don't even have art to themselves, then why do we even exist? Are we going to let AI love too? Capitalism would probably find a way to let AI give birth to children if it was possible.

The imagination should not be something where humans are replaced with machines merely imitating emotion.
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R_Jackal posted...
Legit told everyone I knew there was no way that was a human voice and they told me he was just replaced. Have no idea how people can be so bad at spotting it.
I imagine that there are substantially fewer players who listened to the Polish dub than other options.
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Rika_Furude posted...
the issue is that jobs arent getting replaced at a 1:1 ratio. thats why UBI or banning AI is required. doing nothing will lead to riots and collapse of society
the only way ubi even has a chance of working is to salary cap everyone at 500k max and good luck getting the wealth hoarders to agree to that
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El_Marsh posted...
I imagine that there are substantially fewer players who listened to the Polish dub than other options.
True. I'm trying to learn it as I have a few friends who speak it, and although I asked them to check it I doubt they really did lol

Or they just assumed I was talking about English because sometimes I'm dumb.
R_Jackal posted...
Allowing people to own what they make a and limiting what AI can train off of without permission of the owner would be an amazing start.
It might delay the inevitable. A tiny bit.

Maybe.

You'll see motivational pictures about working hundred hour weeks/Well, it only applies to those who are operating at a really basic level
eh, i guess i don't mind it in situations like this. just hope it doesn't become the norm...
potdnewb posted...
the only way ubi even has a chance of working is to salary cap everyone at 500k max and good luck getting the wealth hoarders to agree to that

The French Revolution succeeded because it didn't care if they agreed or not. =D
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Prismsblade posted...
We're at near record unemployment now so what are you talking about?

Humanity has never in the slightest had difficulty creating new jobs for themselves regardless of our technological advancements the past 2 century's.

AI will not charge that and idk why people are so quick to believe otherwise because some moron on TV said so.
how are you going to create new jobs when A.I can just replace you at all of them

and A.I will totally change that by taking over all your jobs,can't you see how advance the thing already is and it's not some moron on TV,it's several people including tech devs that are very worried about A.I even coding jobs might be replaced

i don't know why you are so eager to be unemployed not have any money and have a machine do your job, A.I replacing jobs isn't an advantage for humanity,it's a plague on humanity

Prismsblade posted... Thats not any different at all actually from any of the prior innovations we've had in the past.

I get why many would believe this at face value but History hasn't supported it at all.
it is extremely different, nothing we ever built in the past has the potential to replace us completely, the better A.I gets the less it need us to exist
hockeybub89 posted...
You say "You can't use AI to create art" and make it law.

This is something you would like the government to do. You would like some form of art police, ensuring the purity of all artworks. Somehow.

If humans don't even have art to themselves, then why do we even exist? Are we going to let AI love too? Capitalism would probably find a way to let AI give birth to children if it was possible.

Weird slippery slope fallacy. Why would allowing AI art prevent humans from making art? Why cannot the handcrafted stand alongside the mass machine produced, as it already does in many areas?

As for AI taking over love and childbirth, how does that even work, are you writing a bad sci fi novel?

The imagination should not be something where humans are replaced

Your imagination is not replaced. You remain free to imagine whatever you like.

with machines merely imitating emotion.

All art 'imitates' emotion. It's not the emotion itself, but a representation.

You'll see motivational pictures about working hundred hour weeks/Well, it only applies to those who are operating at a really basic level
R_Jackal posted...
What's left when we're no longer needed for arts? No longer needed for computer inputs? No longer needed for factory work? No longer needed for basic labor tasks such as farming and maintenance?
I don't believe that's ever going to happen actually.

But frankly I have no idea what jobs we're think of for ourselves in the future. There are jobs now our grandparents couldnt have even imagine we'd have now when they were young.
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Prismsblade posted...
I don't believe that's ever going to happen actually.

But frankly I have no idea what jobs we're think of for ourselves in the future. There are jobs now our grandparents couldnt have even imagine we'd have now when they were young.
give it about 10 years and you will be jobless because A.I will replace your job and everyone else's
boxoto posted...
seems kinda meta

yup >_>
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hockeybub89 posted...
AI needs to be banned from creating art before it's too late

Idk, man. A certain artist was rejected and we got WW2.
Can't risk robot uprising, you know
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you posted will be misquoted, then be used against you.
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My guess is that the VA would be happy because he can still provide for his family, else his will would have explicitly said otherwise.

But we can know what he feels because the electrical activity that made up his consciousness is gone. And he cant feel anything anymore.
If you're not getting promoted, it's not because you're not good at your job. It's because you're good at a ONLY your job.
I feel like a lot of people are missing the context provided earlier. The voice isn't just AI. There's a person.
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And doing this for a cyberpunk game? Man that feels fitting for how gross this is.
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hitokoriX posted...
I feel like a lot of people are missing the context provided earlier. The voice isn't just AI. There's a person.

So this is just AI freakout like the CGI background people.
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ai123 posted...
This is something you would like the government to do. You would like some form of art police, ensuring the purity of all artworks. Somehow.

Weird slippery slope fallacy. Why would allowing AI art prevent humans from making art? Why cannot the handcrafted stand alongside the mass machine produced, as it already does in many areas?

As for AI taking over love and childbirth, how does that even work, are you writing a bad sci fi novel?

Your imagination is not replaced. You remain free to imagine whatever you like.

All art 'imitates' emotion. It's not the emotion itself, but a representation.
You make it sound strange when all I'm basically saying is that no one should be able to profit or make a career out of fake art.

Art is something that comes from the human imagination, creative works that are oftentimes an expression of our emotions. And you're cool with capitalism using machines to replace that uniquely human concept with a crude, mechanical imitation.

If someone wants to make AI art, they can post it for free on social media and dying message boards like a goddamn normal person.

AI doesn't have beliefs. It doesn't have views and emotions and personal life experiences. It doesn't get art.

Slaving away at a fast food counter or a factory line isn't human artistic expression, but painting or music or acting is.
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majin_nemesis posted...
They should have just replaced the voice from that point on,this AI bs needs to stop

What about permission from the actual person? The family might be just taking advantage to get more money

It's kinda hard to get permission from someone who is dead. Historically these decisions always revert back to the estate and no one has had any problems with it before.

ai123 posted...
When actors died mid-film in pre-AI days, they used stand-ins and editing to cover for it. Was that wrong?

This really has no bearing on the discussion which is about AI taking jobs from artists. Stand ins and body/voice doubles still required real people and real make-up artists to do work.

It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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hockeybub89 posted...
You make it sound strange when all I'm basically saying is that no one should be able to profit or make a career out of fake art.

This is what you posted:

You say "You can't use AI to create art" and make it law.

Art is something that comes from the human imagination, creative works that are oftentimes an expression of our emotions. And you're cool with capitalism using machines to replace that uniquely human concept with a crude, mechanical imitation.

You gave a very post-Romantic and naive conception of art. You think it hasn't always been used in the service of power? You think that capitalism never made use of cheaply produced exploitative art before AI came along?

If the machine art is merely a crude imitation, then it will not satisfy. The market for good human art will remain.

If someone wants to make AI art, they can post it for free on social media and dying message boards like a goddamn normal person.

Who are you to tell people what the can and can't do with the art they make (as you put it)?

AI doesn't have beliefs. It doesn't have views and emotions and personal life experiences. It doesn't get art.

Can it produce aesthetically pleasing visuals?

Slaving away at a fast food counter or a factory line isn't human artistic expression, but painting or music or acting is.

AI is not stopping humans from producing art though, is it?

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I really don't like the "family gave permission" cop out because it assumes that the VA wanted the family to be the arbiter of that decision and because it isn't very limited. Like can CDPR go use this vocal necromancy for future games so long as they still have the family's permission?
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Compsognathus posted...
I really don't like the "family gave permission" cop out because it assumes that the VA wanted the family to be the arbiter of that decision and because it isn't very limited. Like can CDPR go use this vocal necromancy for future games so long as they still have the family's permission?
In future, performers will need to take account of AI when disposing of their rights in their will.

The families of Ian Fleming and Agatha Christie allowed their characters to be used by other authors, so this isn't really even a new issue. If you own the rights, you get the decision.
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Here is basically where I land on AI voice acting:

1) The actor or their designated estate, agreed to it.
2) The voice is being used for role previously played by the actor. So you can't use the voice for an entirely new role.
3) The actor/estate is paid the same amount as their last contract where they actually played the character, adjusted for inflation.

The idea being that there isn't a financial incentive for companies to use AI instead of real VAs and that you can't just use the same AI voices for new characters. If you are using an AI voice it's exclusively for creative reasons linked with continuity.
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Tyranthraxus posted...
This really has no bearing on the discussion which is about AI taking jobs from artists. Stand ins and body/voice doubles still required real people and real make-up artists to do work.

But in this situation they did use a voice double, and the AI was only used to make his voice closer to the original actor's.

*runs out of topic naked*
Also, just in case anyone missed it, this is about the Polish dub, not the English one, English Vektor is still alive and kickin'. Seemed to be some confusion in previous posts so just clarifyin.
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potdnewb posted...
the only way ubi even has a chance of working is to salary cap everyone at 500k max and good luck getting the wealth hoarders to agree to that
We dont need to get the wealthy to agree to it. Fuck the wealthy. They can follow the law like anyone else. Just need to vote for a party that will actually implement policy that will benefit the masses. Bernie was gonna be good until America decided it needed Trump
creativerealms posted...
And doing this for a cyberpunk game? Man that feels fitting for how gross this is.
Game about soul crushing corporatism features soul crushing corporatism behind the scenes. We're cruising towards the cyberpunk future with all the downside and none of the up.
Ivynn posted...
Also, just in case anyone missed it, this is about the Polish dub, not the English one, English Vektor is still alive and kickin'. Seemed to be some confusion in previous posts so just clarifyin.
A few people seem to be also missing the fact the voice actor died, and his family allowed his voice to be used like this.
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