What are your thoughts on anti- "love the sinner, hate the sin"

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"Love the sinner, hate the sin" as a philosophy



For example, someone might think that homosexuality is unnatural, and still treat gay people as equals and be indifferent to or even support gay marriage

Of course, some people will still treat this particular person as a pariah because he or she doesn't fully support the idea of homosexuality

What are your thoughts on this?
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You are still unfairly putting yourself as an authority over someone else and their personal life. It's stupid pseudo-sympathetic bullshit. You pretend to love the person, even though you hate an important part of their identity, so that you can recruit them to your side and shame them into lying to themselves about who they are. It's in the same category as saying, "You are one of the good ones" to someone about their race.
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I know Christians who view homosexuality as immoral but don't hate gays. They're good people and not the stereotypical Christians you see in the media.
RedWhiteBlue posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
so that you can recruit them to your side and shame them into lying to themselves about who they are.

You haven't met many people who ACTUALLY fit the OP, if you really believe this.

Dude, I was raised in a branch of evangelical Christianity. Trust me, it's shit.

What you just said is literally just a No True Scotsman fallacy.
Eh, they're better than your typical Christians but still weak of the mind because they can't speak for themselves
As long as they keep their opinions to themselves I don't care what they believe.
Dash_Harber posted...
You are still unfairly putting yourself as an authority over someone else and their personal life. It's stupid pseudo-sympathetic bullshit. You pretend to love the person, even though you hate an important part of their identity, so that you can recruit them to your side and shame them into lying to themselves about who they are. It's in the same category as saying, "You are one of the good ones" to someone about their race.



It's nothing like your post
ekie posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
You are still unfairly putting yourself as an authority over someone else and their personal life. It's stupid pseudo-sympathetic bullshit. You pretend to love the person, even though you hate an important part of their identity, so that you can recruit them to your side and shame them into lying to themselves about who they are. It's in the same category as saying, "You are one of the good ones" to someone about their race.



It's nothing like your post

How so?
This also goes both ways.

Being racist is a sin... but it's possible that otherwise good people were just brought up in a time or an area where everyone else was racist so that stuck with them.

Instead of just hating racists, it's better for humanity in general to teach racists to not be racist.
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People are pretty much a collection of their actions. If you constantly do racist stuff, then that probably is your identity. Abusers love to play on that concept that "you just don't see the real me" even as they don't give their victims any of this deep thought that they demand from others about themselves.
Damn_Underscore posted...
Being racist is a sin

Racists use the Mark of Cain to get around that.
Ad Hominem.
Damn_Underscore posted...
For example, someone might think that homosexuality is unnatural, and still treat gay people as equals and be indifferent to or even support gay marriage


When you find someone who actually does that, let me know
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It's decent enough in practice, but from experience, it seems like a lot of the people who practice this hate the sinner too. They just say that in order to put themselves on the moral high ground and to not look like a bigot.
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RedWhiteBlue posted...
The info in the OP is about a person who does not like a part of someone's personality/identity, but still treats them as an equal.


How can you treat them as an equal if you inherently view an integral part of them as a 'sin'? How is that any different than hating someone's race?
Dash_Harber posted...
RedWhiteBlue posted...
The info in the OP is about a person who does not like a part of someone's personality/identity, but still treats them as an equal.


How can you treat them as an equal if you inherently view an integral part of them as a 'sin'? How is that any different than hating someone's race?

Skin color is a non-behavioral characteristic. Sexual orientation is a behavioral characteristic.
Complete_Idi0t posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
For example, someone might think that homosexuality is unnatural, and still treat gay people as equals and be indifferent to or even support gay marriage


When you find someone who actually does that, let me know


Majority of Christians do. You'd like a republican who gets their news from "your own sources"
The majority of Christians think homosexuality is unnatural even though lots of animals other than humans do it? Hmmm
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RedWhiteBlue posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
RedWhiteBlue posted...
The info in the OP is about a person who does not like a part of someone's personality/identity, but still treats them as an equal.


How can you treat them as an equal if you inherently view an integral part of them as a 'sin'? How is that any different than hating someone's race?

There's a difference in how you view someone and how you treat them... That's what I'm getting at. Ever have an intrusive thought that you've never acted upon (Hint: everyone has these)? That might actually be the best example someone can offer.

Isn't actively condemning them acting on it?
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RedWhiteBlue posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
RedWhiteBlue posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
RedWhiteBlue posted...
The info in the OP is about a person who does not like a part of someone's personality/identity, but still treats them as an equal.


How can you treat them as an equal if you inherently view an integral part of them as a 'sin'? How is that any different than hating someone's race?

There's a difference in how you view someone and how you treat them... That's what I'm getting at. Ever have an intrusive thought that you've never acted upon (Hint: everyone has these)? That might actually be the best example someone can offer.

Isn't actively condemning them acting on it?

Depends on what you view actively condemning as. Mentally, no. Going out and speaking against it at a rally or something, but no to people individually, that's acting on it for sure. I mean, I don't like tattoos at all but I treat people with them as good as anyone else, even though I fucking hate tattoos. Did I mention that I hate tattoos? And the people with them act shocked when I tell them this (only if they ask me why I don't have any or what they should get next or what I think of one, as I don't tell them I'm not interested, as it is not warranted, until this question).

If you are telling them you hate something about them, then yes, you are actively condemning them. This sounds like a whole lot of justification for an insecure position.

"It's okay if I hate them and judge them, because I don't act on it, except when I state my opinion like I do on here, or when I tell people my opinion, but how do you really define 'active' anyway? I'm still treating the equal."
Samurontai posted...
Eh, they're better than your typical Christians but still weak of the mind because they can't speak for themselves
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Complete_Idi0t posted...
The majority of Christians think homosexuality is unnatural even though lots of animals other than humans do it? Hmmm


And? Christians don't believe humans are equal to animals. Animals also kill and eat each other

They also believe race and homosexuality are nowhere near the same issue. One is an act
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