Vinyl record sales spike as young people embrace old-school style

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giantblimpN7 posted...

Got into vinyl a couple of years back, ended up selling it all because I don't like having stuff

Why don't you like having stuff?

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TheAwesomeMatt

07/14/2017 01:31:26 AM

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I really like vinyl but it's such a pain to get to flip the record when you're in the middle of something.

And then you get albums that are 10/11 songs over 2 records (4 sides), which is really irritating. I do love the cover art and being able to flip through something physical if I'm not sure what to play.

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07/14/2017 01:45:56 AM

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TheAwesomeMatt posted...

I really like vinyl but it's such a pain to get to flip the record when you're in the middle of something.

And then you get albums that are 10/11 songs over 2 records (4 sides), which is really irritating. I do love the cover art and being able to flip through something physical if I'm not sure what to play.

Wouldn't CD be superior then?

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iron jojo

07/14/2017 01:51:30 AM

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I buy vinyl but only stuff that was made when vinyl was the standard. I don't see the appeal of listening to music made after the 80s on vinyl.

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07/14/2017 01:57:34 AM

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Anisoptera posted...

.mp3's degrade over time and quality gets loss because it's audio being converted to digital

I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how digital audio works.

*.mp3 files WILL NOT degreade over time because it's a digital file.

Unless the storage medium you use degrades / loses bits (which is unlikely) your files will be the same as the day you first DownLoaded it.

And most Digital Formats record from a CD Audio source which was the highst possible back then.

Now with High Quality Audio 24 bit / 192 kHz is the closest to getting Studio Master audio quality.

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07/14/2017 01:58:50 AM

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Welcome to like a decade ago. Vinyl has been "coming back" for years.

Cassettes never went anywhere, they've always been hugely popular in punk, metal, noise, etc. You'll rarely see a merch table without tapes. Hell they're basically the primary release format of most noise artists/genres.

CDs have always been shit. It's a digital file you could just download and it's an ugly object to design/own.

Anisoptera posted...

Cassettes have better sound quality than records, but tape decks require more maintenance .

Cassettes max out at the equivalent of like 192 kbps lol

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Started collecting a few years ago, actually.

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I buy all my music on CD. It's the perfect compromise for me. I get the album art and the lyrics books, I can easily digitize everything, and the sound quality is almost always pretty good. Vinyl is an investment and digital lacks a certain aesthetic appeal.

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Anisoptera posted...

You can convert records to digital. You just need to have room for .FLAC and a good soundcard.

Sort of my point. Requires a lot more equipment and investment. CD requires a CD drive, and I can play it on pretty much any stereo, anywhere with zero effort.

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Anisoptera posted...

Then when you get a decent set of headphones you realize how bad .mp3's sound. Don't bully people that are passionate about music. You're not better than them just because you prefer CD's, streaming, and downloading mp3's.

Ah der, I never thought of getting headsphones! Are those the weird tiny things that plays the musics?

Seriously, music snobs are the worst. Digital is fine. Vinyl isn't exactly perfect either, with all the scratching and noise from the fucking needle.

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Anisoptera posted...

butthole666 posted...

Welcome to like a decade ago. Vinyl has been "coming back" for years.

Cassettes never went anywhere, they've always been hugely popular in punk, metal, noise, etc. You'll rarely see a merch table without tapes. Hell they're basically the primary release format of most noise artists/genres.

CDs have always been shit. It's a digital file you could just download and it's an ugly object to design/own.

Anisoptera posted...

Cassettes have better sound quality than records, but tape decks require more maintenance .

Cassettes max out at the equivalent of like 192 kbps lol

Maybe if you're using a cheap tape deck to record a song from the radio. Cassettes sound so much clearer than records. IT IS SO ANALOG

Actually the best you can get with cassettes will generally be shit you record yourself onto high quality metal tapes as opposed to the dumpy type I tapes you're usually getting with "pre recorded" stuff.

Even then, cassettes are inherently more compressed than vinyl; they simply aren't capable of reproducing the dynamic range records can achieve, and DEFINITELY not that of 24 bit, 192khz lossless digital files.

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07/14/2017 02:18:24 AM

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Also analog is not inherently "better", and is in fact usually measurably worse from a technical standpoint; it just so happens that the ways in which analog technology is inferior can sometimes lead to pleasing sonic qualities.

This goes for musical formats, recording equipment, music gear, etc

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07/14/2017 02:20:14 AM

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Also lol @ "you aren't a REAL music fan if mp3s don't make your ears bleed!"

Fuck off with your snakeoil nonsense please

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iosifsvoboda

07/14/2017 02:20:26 AM

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#23

I remember trying to find a record player about 10 years ago and people laughing at me in the store.

Once I finally bought one I realized it was Overrated as fuck. Relaxing and have to get up every 15 minutes screw that. I'll take the convenience of digitization

Also there has to be a way to get digital media that is equal quality to physical

^_^

07/14/2017 02:20:40 AM

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#24

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war

There is another issue with Audio Recording by professionals that really needs to get resolved.

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GoldSocksForWok

07/14/2017 02:21:28 AM

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Vinyl has a broader range of sound, it's pretty good still

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07/14/2017 02:23:29 AM

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KamenRiderBlade posted...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war

There is another issue with Audio Recording by professionals that really needs to get resolved.

Also worth noting that a TON of modern vinyl releases/represses are NOT mastered for the format. There's plenty of cases from recent years where the CD master has just been pressed to vinyl, and it always sounds like shit.

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Anisoptera posted...

Enjoying records requires time to research what to get. It's like buying a car or building a computer. You can't just decide to buy one day and go home expecting to work out You have to take some time to understand what makes a turntable sound good.

If this was the type of turntable you bought , then people were probably laughing at you because it's cheap turntable that's known to damage records and have bad sound quality

Literally says I'm wrong for saying Vinyl is an investment and then says this.

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Anisoptera posted...

If this were a topic about building a computer and someone showed you some inefficient build you'd probably be laughing. It's the same with music snobs. You don't just go into a music store and buy things without doing research first.

You don't like music, you just like spending money on dumb shit.

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07/14/2017 02:32:37 AM

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#33

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_turntable

Laser TurnTables are the Ultimate Turn Tables if you can afford it.

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iosifsvoboda

07/14/2017 02:33:37 AM

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You got it ass backwards dude. They were laughing at me because I was inquiring about one not because I had some shitty one

I did end up getting a shitty one but that's because that's all I could find at the time

^_^

super_clout

07/14/2017 02:39:16 AM

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i don't know if too many people remember or bought them but DualDisc had the best audio.(my first was Rob Thomas solo debut album)

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07/14/2017 02:41:03 AM

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Anisoptera posted...

butthole666 posted...

Anisoptera posted...

If this were a topic about building a computer and someone showed you some inefficient build you'd probably be laughing. It's the same with music snobs. You don't just go into a music store and buy things without doing research first.

You don't like music, you just like spending money on dumb shit.

She says while sitting on her DXRacer chair with her hand on a Razer Ouroborus mouse with the other hand on her Cherry MX keyboard which rests on a large custom made Elesh Norn mousepad as she stares into her 4k monitor accompanied by a 23 inch dual monitor.

Dat deflection doh.

07/14/2017 02:43:54 AM

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Anisoptera posted...

butthole666 posted...

Anisoptera posted...

If this were a topic about building a computer and someone showed you some inefficient build you'd probably be laughing. It's the same with music snobs. You don't just go into a music store and buy things without doing research first.

You don't like music, you just like spending money on dumb shit.

She says while sitting on her DXRacer chair with her hand on a Razer Ouroborus mouse with the other hand on her Cherry MX keyboard which rests on a large custom made Elesh Norn mousepad as she stares into her 4k monitor accompanied by a 23 inch dual monitor.

I do not own any of those things and I am not a woman

Swing and a miss

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07/14/2017 02:44:46 AM

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#40

Also nowhere did I say physical music is a waste of money (and I'm p sure neither did he?); just that you are a snakeoil-loving pretentious boob

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ChromaticAngel

07/14/2017 03:08:06 AM

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#43

I spent a bunch on vinyl and I still prefer digital. Vinyl is cool as a novelty thing and it's kind of fun, and some of the RSD vinyls are cool collectable type things.

For listening to music, though, digital is better. The whole "vinyl sounds better" thing is only true under extremely specific circumstances for vintage music and generally requires equipment that most people don't have to appreciate the difference.

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pkmnlord

07/14/2017 03:11:30 AM

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shockthemonkey posted...

Buying new records feels wonderful

Attempting to play said records and finding out a BRAND NEW FUCKING COPY is skipping, on the other hand, feels infuriating.

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ChromaticAngel

07/14/2017 03:14:12 AM

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pkmnlord posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Buying new records feels wonderful

Attempting to play said records and finding out a BRAND NEW FUCKING COPY is skipping, on the other hand, feels infuriating.

this is almost certainly the result of not cleaning the record before you play it.

yes you have to clean them even if they're brand new because factory debris from the packaging process gets on them.

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07/14/2017 04:20:51 AM

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ChromaticAngel posted...

pkmnlord posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Buying new records feels wonderful

Attempting to play said records and finding out a BRAND NEW FUCKING COPY is skipping, on the other hand, feels infuriating.

this is almost certainly the result of not cleaning the record before you play it.

yes you have to clean them even if they're brand new because factory debris from the packaging process gets on them.

Gee, sounds like so much fun >_>

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DevsBro

07/14/2017 10:17:09 AM

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#48

Records are technically higher in fidelity but it's notable that a physically moving recorder is subject to laws of motion moreso than a digital one, which leads to distortion.

Plus the fidelity thing is a moot point when we have bit resolutions of 16 or higher and a sampling rate of 44.1 kHz. Nobody can convince me that the difference in sound quality they hear from a record is actually due to increased fidelity instead of distortion due to laws of motion.

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ChromaticAngel

07/14/2017 10:35:38 AM

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#49

DevsBro posted...

Records are technically higher in fidelity but it's notable that a physically moving recorder is subject to laws of motion moreso than a digital one, which leads to distortion.

Plus the fidelity thing is a moot point when we have bit resolutions of 16 or higher and a sampling rate of 44.1 kHz. Nobody can convince me that the difference in sound quality they hear from a record is actually due to increased fidelity instead of distortion due to laws of motion.

Incorrect, at least as a general statement.

When music is originally mastered, the mastering of that music contains the highest quality sound of that recording. A long long long long time ago, music was mastered in just vinyl (or shellac for 78s). These days, we master in more than one medium at the same time. Most artists will master in both digital and vinyl simultaneously.

Now Vinyl is an analog means of recording music, so if you copy a vinyl to a digital format, there is a loss in quality. But if originally recorded in digital in the first place, then this becomes a useless distinction.

so then now since we can master in both vinyl and digital at the same time, what's the difference between the two? Well it's not something talked about often because you can't really see it as easily, but audio files have resolution, just like images do. The maximum resolution of digital music far exceeds that of vinyl music.

But if the original recording of that music was not originally mastered in digital a format, then, and only then will vinyl records have a "higher fidelity"

This applies to basically anything that was not originally released on a CD (hey, remember those things?) However in some cases, early CD recordings were not mastered to the same level of fidelity as a vinyl because the digital recording technology was not that good at the time.

When you are talking about modern music, digital provides the highest sound quality.

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DevsBro

07/14/2017 10:39:36 AM

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Yeah that's pretty much what I meant to say, just with more detail. I dunno what it sounded like I meant.

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pkmnlord

07/14/2017 10:45:04 AM

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#51

ChromaticAngel posted...

this is almost certainly the result of not cleaning the record before you play it.

Oh believe me, I wipe down all records I get with a cleaning solution and a microfiber towel.

Sometimes that doesn't even matter. Point is, something brand new should play like brand new. I own more used vinyl that play better than several I've gotten brand new.

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hyperpsycho

07/14/2017 06:37:54 PM

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I always check discogs comments for info on reissues of old albums. It seems more modern reissues are bad than good.

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pkmnlord

07/14/2017 06:42:41 PM

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I noticed that too. Like how the fuck do you mess up a modern day reissue of a vinyl album? You'd think by now enough time has passed that the people pressing these fucking things would be able to make them right so they'd work as reliably as you'd expect a brand new CD to work.

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07/14/2017 06:47:20 PM

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damn millenials, smh

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07/14/2017 06:52:23 PM

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#55

iron jojo posted...

I buy vinyl but only stuff that was made when vinyl was the standard. I don't see the appeal of listening to music made after the 80s on vinyl.

i do the same. i only have a few vinyls but it's all 60s-80s stuff. i just like the retro factor.