Most atheists are pretty open about looking down on people who believe in God.
I try not to look down on someone purely for their beliefs, but more what they do with them. Keep it to themselves, I think higher of them. Try to force it on others, I typically despise them.
I do not.
At least, not unless they use the Bible to start justifying mistreatment of other people. That's when I begin to think less of them.
KeyBlade999 posted...
I do not.
At least, not unless they use the Bible to start justifying mistreatment of other people. That's when I begin to think less of them.
Also, this. If their religious beliefs are innocent, why should I care? But if this is the primary argument to oppress women/gays/minorities, or if it's used to protest abortion, gay marriage, etc, than I have a problem with it.
I have no problem with people being for/against abortion, or for similar issues. But if their stance is "ITS BECAUSE GOD DOESNT LIKE IT", that's when religion starts to bug me.
Nope. Whatever a person takes comfort in and helps them through life is their business, I don't care. As long as they respect my indifference and don't try to force it on me we're cool.
The correct answer should honestly be the third one. If someone is atheist, and doesn't care about religion, why is it something that is on their mind so much?
Some probably think less of religious people and some probably don't care.
jenningsnash313 posted...
The correct answer should honestly be the third one. If someone is atheist, and doesn't care about religion, why is it something that is on their mind so much?
I only care about religion because it has an impact on politics and therefor an impact on me. The real question that you should be asking is why do religious people like caring so much about other peoples beliefs?
Darkninja42 posted...
Nope. Whatever a person takes comfort in and helps them through life is their business, I don't care. As long as they respect my indifference and don't try to force it on me we're cool.
The aloof thoughtlessness of this post bothers me
Darkninja42 posted...
Nope. Whatever a person takes comfort in and helps them through life is their business, I don't care. As long as they respect my indifference and don't try to force it on me we're cool.
The aloof thoughtlessness of this post bothers me
jenningsnash313 posted...
KeyBlade999 posted...
I do not.
At least, not unless they use the Bible to start justifying mistreatment of other people. That's when I begin to think less of them.
Also, this. If their religious beliefs are innocent, why should I care? But if this is the primary argument to oppress women/gays/minorities, or if it's used to protest abortion, gay marriage, etc, than I have a problem with it.
I have no problem with people being for/against abortion, or for similar issues. But if their stance is "ITS BECAUSE GOD DOESNT LIKE IT", that's when religion starts to bug me.
I was raised religious and even the most harmless Christian churches occasionally spread some form of bigotry. People who answer the way you did I would guess just have so little exposure to religion that they think there even is such thing as an 'innocent religion'
Btw calling others innocent implies you think they are stupid, just thought i'd let you know you are the same as everyone else who is atheist
FighterStreet posted...
jenningsnash313 posted...
KeyBlade999 posted...
I do not.
At least, not unless they use the Bible to start justifying mistreatment of other people. That's when I begin to think less of them.
Also, this. If their religious beliefs are innocent, why should I care? But if this is the primary argument to oppress women/gays/minorities, or if it's used to protest abortion, gay marriage, etc, than I have a problem with it.
I have no problem with people being for/against abortion, or for similar issues. But if their stance is "ITS BECAUSE GOD DOESNT LIKE IT", that's when religion starts to bug me.
I was raised religious and even the most harmless Christian churches occasionally spread some form of bigotry. People who answer the way you did I would guess just have so little exposure to religion that they think there even is such thing as an 'innocent religion'
Btw calling others innocent implies you think they are stupid, just thought i'd let you know you are the same as everyone else who is atheist
What? No, when I use the word innocent, I'm not implying their stupid. If you want, I can buy you a dictionary, because innocent and stupid have VERY different definitions, and I imagine someone like you could at least try to figure out the different. I mean, come on man, if you wanna talk and have a discussion on this stuff, at least try to sound intelligent.
Because you're wrong. As I mentioned in my other post, I know a ton of religious people who NEVER discuss religion with me. If they have any sort of bigotry, it's completely internalized, since they respect my viewpoints. That's all I ask. They don't use their religion as a platform to further their arguments. I don't know their stance on topics like abortion, because we keep it to ourselves. It's not that I look down on religion or that I respect it, I just don't care.
ITT: Everyone must fall into three lines of thought that TC determines arbitrarily to prove some random useless point
This is priceless. A person(TC) judging others is shaming people for judging others.
asdf8562 posted...
This is priceless. A person(TC) judging others is shaming people for judging others.
My argument is that we all judge others. It's people who act on that judgement who are bad.
FighterStreet posted...
asdf8562 posted...
This is priceless. A person(TC) judging others is shaming people for judging others.
My argument is that we all judge others. It's people who act on that judgement who are bad.
Judging =/= Acting.
You can judge someone all you want, its not the same thing as actually acting upon that judgement.
asdf8562 posted...
FighterStreet posted...
asdf8562 posted...
This is priceless. A person(TC) judging others is shaming people for judging others.
My argument is that we all judge others. It's people who act on that judgement who are bad.
Judging =/= Acting.
You can judge someone all you want, its not the same thing as actually acting upon that judgement.
i....know? but the topic is about feeling guilt for having that judgement, not about the action
Most atheists are pretty open about looking down on people who believe in God.
Secretly? My circle of friends includes engineers, safety techs and other educated individuals. All of us openly mock that shit.
There was a time, in my late teens and early twenties, when I did, but I mellowed out about it in my mid to late twenties. Penn Jillette actually played a role in that when I heard him talk about how people who try to convert nonbelievers are, as tiresome as it can be, being totally good, moral people. Because people trying to convert you are, from their perspective, trying to save you in a literal sense.
I believe he compared it to pulling someone from the tracks when you think a train is coming. They're almost morally obligated to at least try. So, I went from scoffing at people who tried to convince me that there's a God to thanking them for their good intentions, even if I didn't agree with them.
Between my late teens and late twenties, I consumed a lot of Atheist media. Books, audiobooks, YouTube videos, podcasts, etc. The Atheist Experience, The Thinking Atheist, thunderf00t's Why People Laugh at Creationists, Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Daniel Dennett, Massimo Piggliuci, Penn Jillette, Aron Ra, and even a bit of PZ Meyers before the Atheism+ schism. And so on.
These days, I've cut back on a lot of that. I still watch some of that content, but lean more toward the science and general skepticism stuff instead if the explicitly Atheist stuff. For example, I don't listen to TTA or TAE anymore, but I do listen to Skeptoid and enjoy a bit of Michael Shermer, Penn Jillette, and James Randi. Now, if I listen to Dawkins it's mostly for his books about evolution, rather than atheism.
No. Reasons for belief vary a lot. Some people are born into it, or have some sort of familial or cultural tradition. Some just like the inspirational part of it. Some are from a different generation. There are tons of reasons someone might believe in something. I was born a Jehovah's Witness and didn't leave until I was 14. I had reasons then for believing, up until I didn't. I can't expect everyone in the world to think the way I do and be at the same point in their lives as me.
That being said, I greatly think less of evangelical types. I feel that the people who try to push their religion or attack others are generally incredibly insecure and tend to project their fears by bullying everyone who doesn't agree with them. I also think less of anyone that assumes that someone's atheism/agnosticism means that they hate God or some such nonsense.
WaffIeElite posted...
Secretly? My circle of friends includes engineers, safety techs and other educated individuals. All of us openly mock that shit.
sounds like a group of people i'd have no desire to associate with (i say that as a doc)