Processed plant base food linked to heart disease.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/ultra-processed-vegan-food-can-increase-your-risk-of-heart-death-study-finds/ar-BB1nYxcY?ocid=BingNewsSerp

Looks like meat is back on the menu boys!
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I mean isn't meat linked to heart disease too? lol
Also what makes something "ultra" processed as opposed to just regular old processed? Seems like a scare tactic to use that type of language.
Independent scientists pointed out that in the latest study, around half of the plant-based UPFs came from industrialised packaged breads, pastries, buns, cakes and biscuits, with very little of it coming from plant-based meal alternatives.

Sounds like the issue is more Twinkies than Beyond burgers, in which case this isn't exactly news, nor does it support "time to eat more meat!"
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Jen0125 posted...
Also what makes something "ultra" processed as opposed to just regular old processed? Seems like a scare tactic to use that type of language.
Ultra processed means they have gone through multiple processing techniques. The fake meats that are vegan are ultra processed and are apparently just as bad if not worse for your body than just eating regular meat.
DeSantis2024 posted...
Ultra processed means they have gone through multiple processing techniques. The fake meats that are vegan are ultra processed and are apparently just as bad if not worse for your body than just eating regular meat.

adjl posted...
Independent scientists pointed out that in the latest study, around half of the plant-based UPFs came from industrialised packaged breads, pastries, buns, cakes and biscuits, with very little of it coming from plant-based meal alternatives.

Sounds like the issue is more Twinkies than Beyond burgers, in which case this isn't exactly news, nor does it support "time to eat more meat!"

The takeaway from this is not "we need to avoid plant-based meat alternatives," it's "we need to be conscious of the fact that being vegan doesn't automatically make something healthy."
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Oh, well that's really misleading, MSN.
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"Certain vegan based foods linked to cyanide poisoning"
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adjl posted...
The takeaway from this is not "we need to avoid plant-based meat alternatives," it's "we need to be conscious of the fact that being vegan doesn't automatically make something healthy."

Yeah. I'm not sure why every alternative to a mainstream issue needs to be absolutely perfect and flaw free for people to accept it lol
Time to eat some plant-based crow TC
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UK Biobank is a large prospective cohort study that recruited over 500,000 participants aged 4069 years at baseline (between 2007 and 2010) across England, Scotland, and Wales with data linkage to hospital and mortality records.

so stuff like beyond meat and impossible burger aren't considered here, since they did not exist in that timeframe.
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Far-Queue posted...
Time to eat some plant-based crow TC
As a proud patriot, I only eat the real thing. Cant fool me with your ultra processed cancer causing crow.
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Pretty much all processed foods are bad regardless of if they are plant based or not. Every doctor who is an actual doctor and not a "doctor" will tell you that.

Also "Organic" is BS. It is basically like holy water, someone just looks at it and says "yep, organic". It has nothing to do with the actual process by which it was farmed.
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4) UPF, e.g., soft drinks, sweet or savoury packaged snacks, confectionery; packaged breads and buns; reconstituted meat products and pre-prepared frozen or shelf-stable dishes.

lmao so this is an entire nothingburger that tells us nothing we didn't already know

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https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7762(24)00115-7/fulltext

the full study, it's a whole lot of nothing.
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Jen0125 posted...
Yeah. I'm not sure why every alternative to a mainstream issue needs to be absolutely perfect and flaw free for people to accept it lol

People really love their Nirvana Fallacies.

At some level, though, I kinda get it: The flaws in the status quo, we're used to. We know them, we've accepted them and figured out ways to mitigate the consequences, and when we can't mitigate them, we at least aren't surprised by them. Bring in something new, though, and its flaws are new and imaginary and harder to predict, and that's scary. In general, hypothetical problems are scarier than ones you've already faced, while hypothetical benefits aren't as appealing as ones you've already received, so that creates a strong bias in favour of the status quo over some proposed alternative.

Of course, it's still stupid and fallacious, but that doesn't mean I can't sympathize a little.
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