Damn_Underscore posted...Should isn't necessarily a conditional word and shall doesn't necessarily mean definitely.
I don't know what to say about this. Shall most definitely means there is nothing else. It shall be done means only that it without dispute will be. Should also has no other meaning than the possibly of correctness is what is expected, but not necessarily what will happen.
It isn't an argument of semantics anyways, but one of innovation. Consider the texts that have shall there and date them. The oldest one was made in about the 50s. The translations with should predate it by quite a lot. Makes you wonder why this happened, especially when there was a large movement to patent or that is to make profits off of translations by purposely changing words and phrases such that the text was no longer considered public domain.
Damn_Underscore posted...With the "Lord, Lord" thing, I think he's talking about hypocrites who appear good on the outside but are really evil in their hearts.
And yet he doesn't talk about what is in the heart being the clincher, but what they DID.
Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but
he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
fyi, fruits while are inward are outwardly exposed as found in Galatians 5
love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance
ex: if a man is not temperant, the eye knows this, it is seen
Interestingly enough we have a companion set of verses that proceed with the same central theme:
Matthew 25
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
Should we read this and believe only the hypocrites shall be condemned for these things? Do you believe some of these people are Christians?
Note that is wasn't hidden things of the heart condemning them here, but inaction. The heart might have caused the inaction, but it was inaction.
It ties back to Matt 7:21
he that doeth the will of my Father
Damn_Underscore posted...Originally, were you trying to say that conservatives are bad or liberals are good because Jesus also said if you aren't with me you're against me? If not then good, I really don't have anything more to argue about. I already told you what I think.
All I was saying is Jesus said the phrase. I had no intent. Not sure why it bothered you or what context was lost by suggesting he said that.
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