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nocturnal_traveler 09/15/25 9:52:42 AM #1: |
When they were first introduced, they were suspiciously stereotypical Jewish caricatures. Nowadays, however, they're obvious stereotypical conservative Republican caricatures. --- --I understand your opinion. I just don't care about it. ~Jedah-- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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McmadnessV3 09/15/25 9:57:50 AM #2: |
Qwark is my favourite character from DS9 --- Thank you for taking the time to read this sig. This sig loves you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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mercurydude 09/15/25 9:58:09 AM #3: |
Ferengi might be less bigoted if only for the fact that discrimination gets in the way of profit. They were incredibly sexist like repugs, but even that might have changed --- God forbid you ever had to walk a mile in her shoes, 'cause then you really might know what it's like to have to choose. - Everlast ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kalk 09/15/25 11:28:18 AM #4: |
The Ferengi were a failed villian species when they first appeared in TNG. But I think they turned out fine over time. It was refreshing and entertaining how they were one of the few people allowed to be greedy, sexist, and driven by profit. However they had their good points too like Quark caring about his nephew Nog. --- f(O_o)f ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OniLink5000 09/15/25 11:29:50 AM #5: |
when they were introduced they were bizarre cavemen guys with electric whips. --- No sig ... Copied to Clipboard!
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McmadnessV3 09/15/25 11:32:07 AM #6: |
Kalk posted... The Ferengi were a failed villian species when they first appeared in TNG.Quark in general was a more morally sound Ferengi compared to others, comparatively speaking. One point even he knew weapons were more profitable than running a bar but he enjoys serving people and seeing their pleased reactions to his service. Then there was the episode where he helped out his Klingon "wife" --- Thank you for taking the time to read this sig. This sig loves you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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kuwab0 09/15/25 12:54:42 PM #7: |
Deep Space Nine fleshed them out --- http://i.imgur.com/QfpP05s.png http://i.imgur.com/vdnZ1o6.png http://i.imgur.com/zTgf822.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TMOG 09/15/25 12:56:59 PM #8: |
OniLink5000 posted... when they were introduced they were bizarre cavemen guys with electric whips.This. They were basically just space goblins. All the hyper-capitalist and misogynist stuff came later. --- Check out my daily Pokemon drawings https://bsky.app/profile/runomai.bsky.social ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TomClark 09/15/25 1:00:11 PM #9: |
DS9 fixed them. --- http://i.imgur.com/6eF0W.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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el_cheato 09/15/25 1:00:33 PM #10: |
Did they even appear in TNG past the first season? I thought they were a one off thing until DS9 made one of the main characters a ferengi. --- Source: it is known among the wise ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 09/15/25 1:01:19 PM #11: |
nocturnal_traveler posted... When they were first introduced, they were suspiciously stereotypical Jewish caricatures. Nowadays, however, they're obvious stereotypical conservative Republican caricatures.Humans. They were based on 20th century humans. The humans in Star Trek are not based on real humans. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TMOG 09/15/25 1:02:20 PM #12: |
el_cheato posted... Did they even appear in TNG past the first season? I thought they were a one off thing until DS9 made one of the main characters a ferengi.Yeah, there was at least one episode where a few Ferengi showed up for negotiation over ownership of a wormhole, and they wound up going through it. Those Ferengi would later appear in Voyager. --- Check out my daily Pokemon drawings https://bsky.app/profile/runomai.bsky.social ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TomClark 09/15/25 1:05:12 PM #13: |
TMOG posted... Yeah, there was at least one episode where a few Ferengi showed up for negotiation over ownership of a wormhole, and they wound up going through it. Those Ferengi would later appear in Voyager. They also got outsmarted by a bunch of the crew who were turned into children. --- http://i.imgur.com/6eF0W.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DuneMan 09/15/25 1:05:50 PM #14: |
Quark is the main dividing line between villainous caricatures and something more. --- "I'd rather betray the world than let the world betray me." -Cao Cao ... Copied to Clipboard!
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King_Rial 09/15/25 1:06:40 PM #15: |
TMOG posted... Yeah, there was at least one episode where a few Ferengi showed up for negotiation over ownership of a wormhole, and they wound up going through it. Those Ferengi would later appear in Voyager.I remember that. It turned out that the wormhole wasn't fixed to a specific location, so it could spit people out in random places. Stranding them. --- I use Google... A lot.... >______> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnsteadyOwl 09/15/25 1:08:12 PM #16: |
TomClark posted... They also got outsmarted by a bunch of the crew who were turned into children.There was also a Ferengi bad guy in Captain's Holiday, played by the same actor who would eventually play Rom. --- "It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 09/15/25 1:08:45 PM #17: |
King_Rial posted... I remember that. It turned out that the wormhole wasn't fixed to a specific location, so it could spit people out in random places. Stranding them.Most wormholes are like that. DS9 was special in that it was near a wormhole where one end was stable. The Borg had the technology to lock down wormholes which let them get to lots of places in the galaxy that they wouldn't have been able to otherwise. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Smiffwilm 09/15/25 1:17:12 PM #18: |
Don't forget the Doctor Crusher murder mystery episode. --- My Mario Maker 2 ID is 6RG-5XK-JCG ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Enclave 09/15/25 1:18:37 PM #19: |
TMOG posted... This. They were basically just space goblins. All the hyper-capitalist and misogynist stuff came later. Eh, they were misogynist from the start, in their first appearance on TNG they commented about how obscene it was or something that the Federation clothed their females. But yes, the hyper capitalism was later and it really wasn't until DS9 that the species really got fully fleshed out. --- The commercial says that Church isn't for perfect people, I guess that's why I'm an atheist. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Amakusa 09/15/25 1:19:32 PM #20: |
el_cheato posted... Did they even appear in TNG past the first season? I thought they were a one off thing until DS9 made one of the main characters a ferengi.Yeah they did. Picard had an old nemesis DaiMon Bok from Season 1 (Bok was the recipient of a 'slight' when Picard was on the Stargazer) and he resurfaced in Season 7 trying to get revenge (again). But by that point the DS9 changes had taken place so Bok being crazy was even more pronounced by then. --- I will rule the world, and find that truly good cup of coffee. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Shamino 09/15/25 1:21:25 PM #21: |
Enclave posted... Eh, they were misogynist from the start, in their first appearance on TNG they commented about how obscene it was or something that the Federation clothed their females. I think the quote was "You clothe your females, human?" --- Switch/PC 16 GB 6700k RTX 3080 Cards/Suns/Former Celtics/Diamondbacks/ASU Fan ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 09/15/25 1:22:46 PM #22: |
Amakusa posted... Yeah they did. Picard had an old nemesis DaiMon Bok from Season 1 and he resurfaced in Season 7 trying to get revenge (again). But by that point the DS9 changes had taken place so Bok being crazy was even more pronounced by then. They kinda reused that plot again in Discovery. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Westernwolf4 09/15/25 1:26:02 PM #23: |
TomClark posted... They also got outsmarted by a bunch of the crew who were turned into children. That was NOT a good episode of TNG, for a lot of reasons. But that one scene where Picard is pretending Riker is his Dad is really funny. The expressions on the faces of the actors, the awkward hug-it was gold. TNG was pretty hit and miss on humor, but they nailed that scene. --- An opinion does not turn into a fact simply because the person holding it feels strongly about it. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Westernwolf4 09/15/25 1:29:14 PM #24: |
TomClark posted... DS9 fixed them. Yet another reason DS9 is awesome. Some of its best episodes are Quark/Rom/Nog episodes! With the exception of Profit and Lace of course. I rewatch TNG and DS9 pretty often, but I am always skipping Code of Honor, Profit and Lace and Sub Rosa. Just cant do it. --- An opinion does not turn into a fact simply because the person holding it feels strongly about it. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Westernwolf4 09/15/25 1:32:32 PM #25: |
Smiffwilm posted... Don't forget the Doctor Crusher murder mystery episode. Oh yeah, with the scientist Ferengi! They also caused all the trouble in Perfect Mate, and almost got Picard into some deep diplomatic trouble. They also kidnapped Trois Mom, which led to a great Patrick Stewart speech. --- An opinion does not turn into a fact simply because the person holding it feels strongly about it. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Aressar 09/15/25 1:33:22 PM #26: |
Shamino posted... I think the quote was "You clothe your females, yoomaan?" Fixed --- One time, CE triggered me so hard with their objectively wrong opinions that I accidentally punched myself in the balls. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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nocturnal_traveler 09/15/25 1:34:07 PM #27: |
Tyranthraxus posted... Humans. They were based on 20th century humans.That explains why the Star Trek Humans aren't so stupid. Are they supposed to be Earth Humans, or were there Humans from other galaxies? --- --I understand your opinion. I just don't care about it. ~Jedah-- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TMOG 09/15/25 1:36:25 PM #28: |
nocturnal_traveler posted... That explains why the Star Trek Humans aren't so stupid. Are they supposed to be Earth Humans, or were there Humans from other galaxies?They're Earth humans who grew up in a future where capitalism no longer exists No, really, that's literally what they are --- Check out my daily Pokemon drawings https://bsky.app/profile/runomai.bsky.social ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HighSeraph 09/15/25 1:37:45 PM #29: |
Capitalism exists in ST they're just post-scarcity and in the backstory it took a ton of shit to get there. --- The shadows I live with are numberless ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TMOG 09/15/25 1:40:17 PM #30: |
HighSeraph posted... Capitalism exists in ST they're just post-scarcity and in the backstory it took a ton of shit to get there.Kinda depends on who's running the show at a specific point. TOS still has characters referring to buying and selling things, but TNG and DS9 pretty explicitly state that money as a concept no longer exists (on Earth) and people just work for their own satisfaction, self-improvement, and betterment of those around them. I think Enterprise backpedals a bit on this but I didn't watch a lot of Enterprise. --- Check out my daily Pokemon drawings https://bsky.app/profile/runomai.bsky.social ... Copied to Clipboard!
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havean776 09/15/25 1:41:43 PM #31: |
I like that the novels tried to explain this. The Grand Nagus heard the Federation destroyed all their currency so he ordered the Ferengi to act "furious" to scare them away. --- "I will either find a way, or make one." Hannibal Barca ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Accolon 09/15/25 1:42:57 PM #32: |
Well, Enterprise takes place way before the rest of the series, so that makes sense. Within the Federation, there isn't money. It's like a communist society, but still with a government and "military" organization. The Federation does use money when interacting and trading with other cultures though. --- http://i.imgur.com/XAMp8.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 09/15/25 1:43:53 PM #33: |
nocturnal_traveler posted... That explains why the Star Trek Humans aren't so stupid. Are they supposed to be Earth Humans, or were there Humans from other galaxies? Other people covered it so far basically after two extremely brutal wars humanity's overall culture has a massive shift into a peaceful enlightened people of science, tolerance and exploration. The federation barters with extremely rare substances but they don't use money in the same sense that we do unless interacting with a culture that requires it. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sir_Will 09/15/25 1:46:30 PM #34: |
nocturnal_traveler posted... When they were first introduced, they were suspiciously stereotypical Jewish caricatures. Nowadays, however, they're obvious stereotypical conservative Republican caricatures. TMOG posted... This. They were basically just space goblins. All the hyper-capitalist and misogynist stuff came later.They were mocking capitalists. Yankee traders was used as a comparison in the first conversation about them. Making them act as foolish as they did completely ruined them. And railing against capitalism is a little ironic from the man who wrote lyrics to the Star Trek them song, lyrics he never intended to use, just so he could get a cut of the royalties from it. He was quite a greedy man himself. --- River Song: Well, I was off to this gay gypsy bar mitzvah for the disabled when I thought 'Gosh, the Third Reich's a bit rubbish, I think i'll kill the Fuhrer' ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnsteadyOwl 09/15/25 1:53:18 PM #35: |
TMOG posted... Kinda depends on who's running the show at a specific point. TOS still has characters referring to buying and selling things, but TNG and DS9 pretty explicitly state that money as a concept no longer exists (on Earth) and people just work for their own satisfaction, self-improvement, and betterment of those around them. I think Enterprise backpedals a bit on this but I didn't watch a lot of Enterprise.Also in Star Trek IV Kirk explicitly says they don't have money in his time. I don't remember anything in Enterprise saying Earth no longer uses money at that time but I could be forgetting something. That's pre-Federation so maybe they still do. --- "It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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creativerealms 09/15/25 1:56:30 PM #36: |
Smiffwilm posted... Don't forget the Doctor Crusher murder mystery episode.Underrated episode. That was the first attempt at fleshing out the Ferengi giving us the first example of one who didn't care about scheming and profit. --- "So this is how liberty dies, with Thunderous applause." Padme Amidala ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ProfessorKukui 09/15/25 1:58:29 PM #37: |
Rule of Acquisition #91 - Your boss is only worth what he pays you. Words to live by. --- make peace and be free ... Copied to Clipboard!
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nocturnal_traveler 09/15/25 2:05:33 PM #38: |
ProfessorKukui posted... Rule of Acquisition #91 - Your boss is only worth what he pays you.That's a pretty good quote. --- --I understand your opinion. I just don't care about it. ~Jedah-- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Enclave 09/15/25 2:09:31 PM #39: |
HighSeraph posted... Capitalism exists in ST they're just post-scarcity and in the backstory it took a ton of shit to get there. It depends on where you are if capitalism is a thing. If you're on a Federation world? It's not. If you're outside of the Federation? Well then it's going to depend on who's territory you're in. If you don't live on a specific world but rather on a ship in space? You're likely going to be needing to make use of captialism to get resources since you're not always going to have a Federation space station near you. --- The commercial says that Church isn't for perfect people, I guess that's why I'm an atheist. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hejiru 09/15/25 2:17:54 PM #40: |
el_cheato posted... Did they even appear in TNG past the first season? I thought they were a one off thing until DS9 made one of the main characters a ferengi. They were in a lot of TNG episodes actually --- The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction has to make sense. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 09/15/25 2:19:23 PM #41: |
That famous Picard meme is from a ferengi episode https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/f40f3d92.jpg --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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