Board 8 > Could Donkey Kong defeat Luca Blight in a fight?

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Arguments for Luca:

• he tanked attacks from many, many soldiers, including multiple arrows
• offensively he's a skilled swordsman with fire magic
• he's bloodthirsty enough to go for the kill immediately

Arguments for DK:

• he's a significant step up from your average Suikoden soldier
• Luca might target Pauline first, which would surely send DK into a rage rivaling Luca's
• if DK shoots Luca, it's gonna hurt

Last topic was a fierce, too-close-to-call match, but Kafka held her own with DK, an especially impressive feat given given that most people didn't know what she could even do. Today, we have the Mad Prince, a villain if ever there was one. DK makes a point of going up against large, durable villains, but how does Luca stack up? Does a monkey have more clout than a pig?

Oh you know Luca would kill Pauline just to be a dick, and then this gets interesting

DK.

He has the reach advantage, a massive speed advantage, and utterly dwarfs Luca in terms of strength. Less durability, but I would also argue he outskills Luca, who is rather a brute, whereas DK could keep up with a superhumanly skilled boxer while clowning around. I don't see how Luca wins at all, he's gapped here.

Luca

DK's going to try and go into melee against him, and Luca absolutely will not fold given how durable he is. DK himself's not very proven on durability against blades, and he's not on any kind of Jedi-level reflexes either, an in-fight against Luca is the last place you want to be if you can't outlast him, consistently dodge him, or out-tank his output.

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does luca have any resistance to timeslow

It's hard to measure Luca's speed given he's in a turn based RPG, but he always gets like three turns to your one so I assume it's Pretty Fast

Luca, clearly.

I voted in the last topic and I have a vote ready for this one too, but I'm willing to be swayed by arguments.

Hbthebattle posted...

does luca have any resistance to timeslow

Not AFAIK, so DK should be able to outspeed him.

so i still view sharp things as an obstacle for DK

is the argument here that he grabs on to luca before he gets slicey sliced or stabby stabbed

That is what gives me pause here. I think Donkey Kong wins if he gets in grabbing range, but I also think Donkey Kong probably dies if Luca stabs him first. And Luca has a good amount of range going on those fire stabs (he can also run straight through your party with them, so I do think Pauline probably dies in the crossfire)

Chaeix posted...

so i still view sharp things as an obstacle for DK

is the argument here that he grabs on to luca before he gets slicey sliced or stabby stabbed

No, my thought process is moreso as follows:

A) DK has life refills as a baseline effect in Bananza, that just restore him to fighting fit condition when he'd die. If you think they apply, then he can close in on Luca pretty recklessly and crush him.

B) If you think they don't (you might say they're too game mechanicky for you), consider that DK is big. Like, way big. When in Kong Bananza, Pauline reaches up to like, his knee if that. Even if you apply Mario size to her (so she is like 1 meter tall as a teen before becoming a tall and svelte grown up), DK is a four to five meter tall gorilla while powered up. A sword stab is going to hurt, but Luca has a ton of raw meat to cut through before he does DK any lasting damage. I can try finding a pic if this is in doubt, but for now assume DK is Very Large (TM) and that means he gets to control the terms of engagement.

C) If you think DK's sheer size doesn't indicate any concomitant durability, then it's safe to assume DK himself knows just how bad sharp things can hurt, because he does face stabby and spiky things in his journey. He has Elephant Bananza's vortex to extend his reach beyond punching range, as well as just being able to fling explosive chunks of terrain at Luca, basically without limit. It's on Luca to approach, as he has no ranged offense, not on DK.

D) And if you think better ability to play footsies with longer limbs, ostrich form egg bombs, and explosive gold chunks are not enough...DK can also insult Luca to death. I'm not kidding here, if he has Pauline with him, she can fling exclamations at Luca that actually cause damage. Imagine someone yelling POW! and you get POW'd in the face. Luca could cut these down, but the point is that DK doesn't even have to do an unguarded approach if you think he absolutely, positively MUST get into punching range to do anything, you can see here that Pauline can extend the reach of his strikes: https://youtu.be/5GCuwwcXrzk?t=105

So yeah, like...what's a raw bruiser like Luca going to do here? Genuine question. There's so many different angles DK has to just ruin him. You don't have to just accept one of them. Pick whichever you think makes the most sense. The only way you vote Luca IMO is if you think he just statchecks DK so hard that the lack of options doesn't matter, and I think THAT requires a much harder sell than the reverse, IMO IMO IMO.

KanzarisKelshen posted...

DK can also insult Luca to death

Could Guybrush Threepwood defeat Luca Blight in a fight?

(being flippant but that was my first thought)

Luca Blight

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Donkey Kong slows time and beats Luca into a pulp.

Does DK have access to Bananza forms without Pauline? Because I can see Luca being sadistic enough to target the tiny child first, even without knowing her effect on DK's abilities, and that would probably turn the tide of the fight.

rwlh posted...

Does DK have access to Bananza forms without Pauline? Because I can see Luca being sadistic enough to target the tiny child first, even without knowing her effect on DK's abilities, and that would probably turn the tide of the fight.

Yeah Luca 100% aims Pauline immediately. We know he gets off on killing children.

Luca mainly due to Pauline getting hellmurdered real quick

Luca murders the child, as he is wont to do

Luca's penchant for murdering children is actually a great strategic advantage this time

Yeah, going to have to vote Luca for child-murdering reasons. If DK wasn't tied to Pauline for some of his stronger abilities, I could see it being closer.

My question is, how does Luca even hurt Pauline? DK is twice his height and Pauline is behind him, and it's not like DK is going to let her get hurt.

Because he can stab through your frontline party in-game to kill your backline, even if you're bodyblocking them with a massive griffin. That's a thing he does

DeathChicken posted...

Because he can stab through your frontline party in-game to kill your backline, even if you're bodyblocking them with a massive griffin. That's a thing he does

That's a valid explanation and does change things. I don't think Luca can beat DK by default if the latter can stay in Bananza form, but Pauline is a much easier point of failure, and base DK is good but not Luca good.

DeathChicken posted...

Because he can stab through your frontline party in-game to kill your backline, even if you're bodyblocking them with a massive griffin. That's a thing he does

Oh yeah

This is one of those cases where DK's obvious weakness in Pauline is something his opponent both will and can target.