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You know with all the early-movie intentional call-outs to Latveria (like how they show there's no representatives from Latveria are there during Sue's speech to their equivalent of the UN), I figured the plot line would be that Latveria/Doom are the ones that intentionally sabotage the teleportation bridges.

Pikachuchupika posted...

Either that or they'll do it in Spider-Man Brand New day.

With what they've said about BND I doubt it.

Although BND is the last movie before Doomsday so who the fuck knows at this point lol

E: Also BND is literally the next movie as well jfc. So we're only one single movie away from Doomsday and that movie is still like a year and a half from releasing. In Phase 3 they went from Ragnarok to Black Panther to Infinity War in 6 months.

Bio1590 posted...

You know with all the early-movie intentional call-outs to Latveria (like how they show there's no representatives from Latveria are there during Sue's speech to their equivalent of the UN), I figured the plot line would be that Latveria/Doom are the ones that intentionally sabotage the teleportation bridges.

With what they've said about BND I doubt it.

Although BND is the last movie before Doomsday so who the fuck knows at this point lol

E: Also BND is literally the next movie as well jfc. So we're only one single movie away from Doomsday and that movie is still like a year and a half from releasing. In Phase 3 they went from Ragnarok to Black Panther to Infinity War in 6 months.

They're overcorrecting the MCU glut that led to the fatigue so they've been drastically scaling back releases.

Pikachuchupika posted...

Now that I had some time to mull over it, they're probably just going to explain how they ended up in the main universe in Doomsday itself.

They've basically already laid the groundwork for it with the Thunderbolts post credit and this post credit. Doom most likely takes Frnaklin to get and they end up in 616 looking for him

Mulling over the movie again. The Thing and Human Torch didnt really have an arc. The Thing is my favorite of the 4 (he was my favorite Marvel character when I was like 5 actually lol) so it kinda bums me out that his whole thing was basically just getting the courage to talk to Natasha Lyonne lol could have emphasized his whole struggle with his appearance bit.

Human Torch didn't really have anything going on. Trying to flirt with Silver Surfer and like a blip of a moment of him having some kind of "prove yourself" type beat. The whole suit conversation felt really dumb and unnecessary. Imo a pretty bad use of the ensemble cast compared to other Marvel movies.

Thought it was good, but a bit anti climactic. Also not sure if Pascal, while a good actor, was really the best choice for Richards.

Blue_Popo posted...

My girlfriend watched without knowing of anyone minus winter soldier. She has it as one of her favorite, if not overall favorite marvel movies. They are explained well enough, so don't let that stop you.

Honestly all you need to know is this:

Valentina (a shady nick fury) has been contacting shady people. There's John Walker, a super soldier that's too flawed to be Captain America despite getting a chance to be. Ghost who can phase through walls. Taskmaster who wears a mask, face is disfigured and can fight good. Red guardian is the Russian Captain America who is a super soldier and adopted dad of Yelena. Yelena is a black widow

Done, now go watch it

I've already watched it and enjoyed it. Its just I haven't kept up with stuff so I dont remember who is who and im sure I missed a ton of references.

Smashingpmkns posted...

Mulling over the movie again. The Thing and Human Torch didnt really have an arc. The Thing is my favorite of the 4 (he was my favorite Marvel character when I was like 5 actually lol) so it kinda bums me out that his whole thing was basically just getting the courage to talk to Natasha Lyonne lol could have emphasized his whole struggle with his appearance bit.

Human Torch didn't really have anything going on. Trying to flirt with Silver Surfer and like a blip of a moment of him having some kind of "prove yourself" type beat. The whole suit conversation felt really dumb and unnecessary. Imo a pretty bad use of the ensemble cast compared to other Marvel movies.

Johnny didnt really have an arc per se but his contribution was important. Learning SSs language and identity and past and confronting her with it basically turned her around and she sacrificed herself to save everyone

CARRRNE_ASADA posted...

Thought it was good, but a bit anti climactic. Also not sure if Pascal, while a good actor, was really the best choice for Richards.

I kinda think this too. Still just doesnt feel right and he barely used his stretchy powers. Idk.

Smashingpmkns posted...

Human Torch didn't really have anything going on. Trying to flirt with Silver Surfer and like a blip of a moment of him having some kind of "prove yourself" type beat. The whole suit conversation felt really dumb and unnecessary. Imo a pretty bad use of the ensemble cast compared to other Marvel movies.

I think with Johnny at least they wanted to separate him from the previous versions, at least Evans I haven't seen Michael B. Jordan's version, so they made him obsessed with space (which is where the suit obsession comes in) and somewhat smart. Those two tied into him figuring out the Surfer's language and being able to confront her. I will admit Thing was kind of just there though

It definitely felt like The Thing was just 'there'. The whole movie it felt like there were just bits cut out from the overall story, and he just happened to be affected the most, or something like that.

People clapped when the movie was over in my theater though, so I guess some people really enjoyed it.

PerseusRad posted...

It definitely felt like The Thing was just 'there'. The whole movie it felt like there were just bits cut out from the overall story, and he just happened to be affected the most, or something like that.

People clapped when the movie was over in my theater though, so I guess some people really enjoyed it.

Why would people do that?

Glob posted...

Why would people do that?

I remember people clapping when Darth Maul died in Phantom Menace. It's a thing some people do.

I liked seeing a F4 movie where Thing wasn't like "oh I'm so ugly wah" especially bcuz he's kinda cute in this movie, he definitely wasn't center stage but his deal felt more like a quiet frustration that he can't "turn The Thing off". So he can't go incognito for a date or anything. But honestly I'm not sure if he and Johnny were even quite intended to "have arcs", they were supporting Reed & Sue at an insane point in their lives and that's ok.

HighSeraph posted...

I remember people clapping when Darth Maul died in Phantom Menace. It's a thing some people do.

Never seen it happen, and it really doesnt make sense to do it.

Ive seen several people on here talk about it though.

We had one person clap, but no one else did, so she stopped. I miss the fervor and bombastic hype that these movies used to bring. I really hope Doomsday brings that hype to theaters again.

dhampire1 posted...

She did, but youre also talking about a woman with powers only for 4 years against an almost god like being alive for billions of years destroying millions of planets and never once being stopped.
yet she could hold, restrain and push him back blocks on her own while hes fighting to stop it.

Sue was strong enough to block Galactus energy atks even in the comics. Along with other insane power feats as well. So pushing him over under their circumstances isnt that far fetched.

As for the movie I loved it. The characters had great chemistry and there were many small moments to showcase it you dont normally get in most movies nowadays. Yet the pacing still felt good despite that.

The ending though was a little anti climatic I must admit. And is one of those instances where the comic book ending would have made far more sense. But maybe not for setting up Franklin and doomsday I suppose.

Are the fantastic four just so much stronger than other teams?

X men have had how many ever members, avengers rotate around but the f4 can seemingly get it done with 4 every time. From world ending events to mutant apes.

Reed Richards is the smartest man in the world so that helps a lot. But I think Franklin pulls them victories in the comics sometimes too.

Galactus makes a comment in the movie that he was once small like them. Maybe in mcu he gets bigger as he eats planets and next time we see him he'll dwarf Earth.

LightningAce11 posted...

Are the fantastic four just so much stronger than other teams?

X men have had how many ever members, avengers rotate around but the f4 can seemingly get it done with 4 every time. From world ending events to mutant apes.

Eh Reed Richards is written to basically have super computer brain that could solve any issues.

I'm sure he would figure out Loki and Ultron easily but Thanos with infinity stones might be too much.

Prismsblade posted...

Sue was strong enough to block Galactus energy atks even in the comics. Along with other insane power feats as well. So pushing him over under their circumstances isnt that far fetched.

She never blocked any of Galactus' attacks in the original story, it was only the Punisher android that she used her shield to defend from during those issues.

I thought the movie was really good. My main disappointment was Thing didn't get enough to do action wise. I was also expecting the end to tie into Thunderbolts but I guess we have to wait for Doomsday.

Wolverine posted...

Galactus makes a comment in the movie that he was once small like them. Maybe in mcu he gets bigger as he eats planets and next time we see him he'll dwarf Earth.

I think thats meant to reference his past as a mortal

Saw it last night, amazing movie already planning on seeing it again. 10/10 easily the best fantastic four movie ever. Marvel is back baby!

DaxNovalis posted...

She never blocked any of Galactus' attacks in the original story, it was only the Punisher android that she used her shield to defend from during those issues.

I thought the movie was really good. My main disappointment was Thing didn't get enough to do action wise. I was also expecting the end to tie into Thunderbolts but I guess we have to wait for Doomsday.

The fact that it didn't tie, maybe it isn't the F4 or this F4 in that ship

Did I miss a line or anything where Reed mentions a substitute for the moon? Or something to help Earth's gravity? Because wouldn't everyone be fucked if we teleported to a different location in space without our moon?

SomeLikeItHoth posted...

Did I miss a line or anything where Reed mentions a substitute for the moon? Or something to help Earth's gravity? Because wouldn't everyone be fucked if we teleported to a different location in space without our moon?

maybe he knew of a similar planet the size of the moon he was planning to jump to.

i was kinda hoping hed do like the comics and do a psyche out. But for a movie that might not have played out well

SomeLikeItHoth posted...

Did I miss a line or anything where Reed mentions a substitute for the moon? Or something to help Earth's gravity? Because wouldn't everyone be fucked if we teleported to a different location in space without our moon?

Not as fucked as we would be if Galactus ate the planet.

dhampire1 posted...

maybe he knew of a similar planet the size of the moon he was planning to jump to.

i was kinda hoping hed do like the comics and do a psyche out. But for a movie that might not have played out well

What is the psyche out?

LightningAce11 posted...

What is the psyche out?

Not really a psyche out I guess. Its more they get a weapon from Galactus ship that can destroy a universe and it scares Galactus away.
like it maybe would have been anticlimactic for many .

on his return Reed then used a fake copy of the weapon to scare him off again

dhampire1 posted...

Not really a psyche out I guess. Its more they get a weapon from Galactus ship that can destroy a universe and it scares Galactus away.
like it maybe would have been anticlimactic for many .

on his return Reed then used a fake copy of the weapon to scare him off again

And that copy was made of wood. Jk cartoon magneto joke

It was okay. CGI was still pretty bad in some scenes like with Franklin when he was born. I liked The Silver Surfer. Its kind of hard to mess that character up. Hopefully, we see her again at some point.

I liked the design of Galactus. For an all powerful cosmic being, it wasnt portrayed well in the last act of the movie when he arrived on Earth. I dont the cast of the Fantastic Four did a bad job. Theyre all good but I blame the writing. I wasnt feeling the team at all.

Highlight of the movie was meeting Galactus for the first time and escaping from The Silver Surfer in space.

Fantastic movie, seeing it again tonight. Easily one of the best MCU movies.

I saw it yesterday and thought it was really good. Im happy to have an actual good Fantastic 4 movie for once.

Looking back Im wondering wtf happened to Galactus planet sized space ship for devouring planets.

It shouldnt have been far after he landed but its never mentioned or addressed again upon arrival.

Prismsblade posted...

Looking back Im wondering wtf happened to Galactus planet sized space ship for devouring planets.

It shouldnt have been far after he landed but its never mentioned or addressed again upon arrival.

He wanted Franklin so he came down to get him himself. Presumably, nobody is there to control the ship so its just sitting outside earth. Don't know why he didn't just beam Franklin up like he did with the surfer, but if he did that than the movie would have no climax

I think the tractor beam in Galactus's ship got destroyed while the F4 fled, and then Galactus bee-lined to Earth so it was never repaired adequately

I thought the pacing was really weird. The movie felt like it was going really slow but stuff was happening so fast. There was a time skip, they did that whole teleport thing, years and months blazed by but what's actually happening on screen feels slow.

I thought Pedro was great though.

I think one of my favorite parts was the Silver Surfer chase through the worm hole. That was freaking amazing.

KILL HER Johnny she wants to take your nephew KILL HERRRRRR

saw it a couple of days ago. definitely enjoyed it a lot!

loved the whole 50s sci-fi aesthetic and enjoyed the casting, specially Ben Grimm and Johnny Storm!

Pedro Pascal was pretty good too but ngl, im getting tired of seeing him everywhere... lol

Doe posted...

KILL HER Johnny she wants to take your nephew KILL HERRRRRR

I don't think bloodthirsty Sue is talked about enough

Silver Surfer in this tho...

ngl >.> uh yeah.

Is it just me or did Superman take the internet by storm more than this movie? Like immediately everyone was talking about how great Superman and praising it and making tons of YT vids and social media posts about it. I don't really see that with F4.

I mean, I did enjoy Superman more but still. Guess chalk this one up as a DC W >_>

Silver Surfer was excellent. Love the actress from Ozark, knew she was gonna deliver.

Ivynn posted...

Is it just me or did Superman take the internet by storm more than this movie? Like immediately everyone was talking about how great Superman and praising it and making tons of YT vids and social media posts about it. I don't really see that with F4.

I mean, I did enjoy Superman more but still. Guess chalk this one up as a DC W >_>

Superman also has more action. I enjoyed f4 more but my gf likes superman more.

Squall28 posted...

I thought the pacing was really weird. The movie felt like it was going really slow but stuff was happening so fast. There was a time skip, they did that whole teleport thing, years and months blazed by but what's actually happening on screen feels slow.

I thought Pedro was great though.

It was good in my opinion and made sense in context.

The F4 are active heroes for 4 years by the movies start. The silver surfer arrives and warns earth. The F4 prep the rocket, launch, meet Galactus, escape, have Richard and travel back. That entire trip lasted 1 month. After returning they spend the next year preparing for Galactus along with Jonny deciphering the surfers language.

At the end of the movie 4 more years pass into the post credits scene.

Bleuets posted...

Silver Surfer was excellent. Love the actress from Ozark, knew she was gonna deliver.

I liked her so much that I don't need norrin rad to replace her. I'm fine with her. Shes the best surfer we've gotten

I do wonder what Frankiln's future is beyond this and secret wars. He must just be used as a battery or maybe fill Loki's spot as the person that holds it together

Just got back from watching it. I felt this is pretty much a plain jane movie in a slightly better way. My investment in it was pretty much the same throughout. Felt there wasn't much emotional beats or intense highs. The space chase scene was great, but everything else I was just coasting along.

People around the globe instantly agreeing with Sue over saving Franklin was very unrealistic. Unless 828 earth people are wired differently

Also they have light speed but no cell phones and maybe not even internet

just saw it and I loved the movie