Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 451: It Was a Pleasure to Burn

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I have a friend who works as a civilian with the army in HR. He told us today how he had to get on a call and listen to a bunch of his team members get fired. The supervisor tasked with doing the firing cried on three separate occasions. He had emails bounce back throughout the day of people he was in frequent contact with, some even during that very same day. My understanding is that all of these people were not white. The Army also apparently fired all the women on advisory boards today.

This anti-DEI shit is wild. And for everybody else the idea is to get them to quit so they don't have to pay unemployment.

The hiring freeze left them unable to complete the onboarding of around 20 people into a new station opening up. Many of the employees had moved to the area, signed leases, basically what you do when you are relocating because that's how close the process was to being complete.

This administration is having instantly shitty effects on a large portion of the country. I don't know how long things will be able to hold before crumbling.

It's easy for me to say since I don't work a government job but I wish more of these people would just not comply.

ZaziGuado posted...

The supervisor tasked with doing the firing cried on three separate occasions.

Like, just don't do it then? This kind of garbage can be successfully circumvented if enough people just say "no".

Waiting for education funding to get gutted so I lose one or both of my teaching jobs. Until then, I'm exercising some privilege by tuning out most news and watching reruns of the original Iron Chef. God bless you guys who are still trying to stay civically active.

Education funding will likely be transferred to Private (Religious) schools. Glad I live in a blue state now, because that's where red and purple states are headed probably.

Kenri posted...

It's easy for me to say since I don't work a government job but I wish more of these people would just not comply.

Like, just don't do it then? This kind of garbage can be successfully circumvented if enough people just say "no".

You're right in that it's easy for you to say it.

Also this pro nazi stuff dates back at least to Trump's first administration, probably earlier.

I recall a teacher being reprimanded and suspended for writing a college board rescinding their letter of recommendation for a student who had made a swastika out of tape. There were people defending it even then as 'kids being dumb'. Two other teachers there were reprimanded for talking about the incident.

We decided to make Nazism acceptable and deniable, which has allowed it to fester. We can either choose to continue to let it fester, unabated. Or we can stand up against it.

They blame it on cancel culture and the woke movement. "Watch out, if you sneeze the wrong way, you'll get canceled."

They follow that logic through to the point where even if someone does something undeniably and overtly racist, sexist, etc., they blame the backlash on "overreacting snowflakes" who are either misinterpreting things or blowing it way out of proportion, or even just trying to push their own woke agenda.

This enables them to be okay with more and more extreme ideologies because their focus isn't on the actions themselves, but rather on the reactions against the action. They care more about the reaction than the action itself!

he did it twice and people who were there confirmed that people in the crowd were literally chanting "heil hitler" but sure, he was just hitting his chest and waving to the crowd

it's literally illegal to show pictures of what he did in germany

Wild the army would be letting go of so many people when the average white American male is far too physically and/or mentally unhealthy to enlist

ZaziGuado posted...

I have a friend who works as a civilian with the army in HR. He told us today how he had to get on a call and listen to a bunch of his team members get fired. The supervisor tasked with doing the firing cried on three separate occasions. He had emails bounce back throughout the day of people he was in frequent contact with, some even during that very same day. My understanding is that all of these people were not white. The Army also apparently fired all the women on advisory boards today.

This anti-DEI shit is wild. And for everybody else the idea is to get them to quit so they don't have to pay unemployment.

The hiring freeze left them unable to complete the onboarding of around 20 people into a new station opening up. Many of the employees had moved to the area, signed leases, basically what you do when you are relocating because that's how close the process was to being complete.

This administration is having instantly shitty effects on a large portion of the country. I don't know how long things will be able to hold before crumbling.

Remember how many more women and minorities voted red than usual? Then again it seems to be primarily younger ones for both.

Hbthebattle posted...

Things have already become materially worse already for a ton of people. Why wouldn't we be pissed?

Oh sorry, I meant more in a sense that if people who voted red like what they have then good. If they dont, too bad.

Mr_Lasastryke posted...

i wasn't exclusively talking about europeans? i've seen right-wing americans call it for what it is too. you're one of them!

Emphasis on the "one"

Its not just the government jobs. Im trans and earlier this week I was unceremoniously fired (suspended indefinitely which Ive been told by others is to keep me from claiming unemployment) over the phone by a job Ive been working at for three years. It was such a brisk call and they told me nothing.

PerfectChaosZ posted...

Its not just the government jobs. Im trans and earlier this week I was unceremoniously fired (suspended indefinitely which Ive been told by others is to keep me from claiming unemployment) over the phone by a job Ive been working at for three years. It was such a brisk call and they told me nothing.

I'm trans AND in education, the school and the state are on my side but let's not pretend they're gonna choose me over federal funding :D

incidentally what are some good fields for remote work for somebody who might need to find a new career at 37 and may or may not be able to leave the house at all within a few months. I'm thinkin data entry but I imagine AI is gonna chew that up pretty soon.

AriaOfBolo posted...

the school and the state are on my side but let's not pretend they're gonna choose me over federal funding :D

Well on the plus side they may not have to!

End me

I believe McConnell has already retired as majority leader. So he is just a senator now, not party leader. And he intends this to be his last term, so I think he is just going to vote what he thinks is best outside of Senate politics.

lordjers posted...

This is probably why discussions of the matter aren't taken seriously, and then people get mad cause they don't get taken seriously.

not every viewpoint is worth taking seriously and giving the legitimacy of a response

RE: Banning Twitter on GFaqs

DToast posted...

Unlikely a ban will happen at this moment though I did raise it internally. In the meantime I've got tickets logged for Fandom Wikis, Phoenix Sites(GS, CV, and GB), and of course GameFAQs to allow the embedding of BlueSky. I discussed it with Tim(Director of T&S) and will raise it further next week.

Small victory, with potential for larger victory down the line?

JonThePenguin posted...

Makes me wonder, whatever happened to JonPen1416?

He still shows up from time to time! (He's an OG selphie saver so I pay attention don't judge)

FFDragon posted...

Small victory, with potential for larger victory down the line?

Does not sound like a ban is on the table.

I feel like it's not very important whether the Nazi label sticks or not. Like, being a fascist is already bad enough and probably easier to prove since it doesn't have all this baggage of a more specific term.

It's not easier to prove to the people who don't want to believe it.

In the last 24 hours Hegseth was confirmed, the SS tried to detain an 11 year old, and Trump 'fired' 17 congress appointed watchdogs from various agencies.

Puppy killer was also confirmed. Some democrats voted for her too. No idea which dems voted for her, but they should be primaried.

Kenri posted...

It's easy for me to say since I don't work a government job but I wish more of these people would just not comply.

Like, just don't do it then? This kind of garbage can be successfully circumvented if enough people just say "no".

Then they get fired and someone else still fires everyone else.

The top of the chain is Hegseth and Republicans who will not say no and are happy for an excuse to fire all the non-loyal people and replace then with loyalists.

And plenty of other people aren't in a position where they can afford ton lose their job and their health insurance

Almost all foreign aid frozen for 90 days (exceptions for arms to Israel/Egypt no exception for Ukraine/Taiwan). Insane.

I was interviewing for a federal government job with a security clearance slightly before the election, but I went with another private industry job instead. A big factor in that was that the government job wouldnt have actually been able to start until I got a clearance, which from what I understand typically takes like six months to a year. Wondering now if that job offer wouldve been cancelled by this hiring freeze if I had taken a tentative job offer there instead.

Maniac64 posted...

Then they get fired and someone else still fires everyone else.

The top of the chain is Hegseth and Republicans who will not say no and are happy for an excuse to fire all the non-loyal people and replace then with loyalists.

And plenty of other people aren't in a position where they can afford ton lose their job and their health insurance

Yes, and that situation is immeasurably better for the country than one where the only people fired are the ones Trump has deemed unnecessary. Because in the former case the firing others actually affects them, they have to find and train new people while everything grinds to a halt in the meantime. Maybe they even say fuck it and don't fire everyone because replacing so many high level people would be too much work.

What's the difference between a loyalist and a non-loyalist who does whatever they're told, by the way?

Kenri posted...

they have to find and train new people while everything grinds to a halt in the meantime.

spoilers that's a feature, not a bug in this process

They want things to grind to a halt in certain specific ways. If they just wanted a general grinding to a halt they'd have fired everyone already.

firing requires unemployment

the directly stated goal was to get people to quit

they actively want 20% of the federal workforce to quit

FFDragon posted...

firing requires unemployment

the directly stated goal was to get people to quit

they actively want 20% of the federal workforce to quit

It is way less bad press for them if 20% of the federal workforce just goes "fuck it I got a different job that pays me better anyway." It looks way worse if it is just "hey we doubled the unemployment to own the libs." They're dumb but they're not that dumb. I expect them to RIF very specific "woke and scary and bad" positions and then do things like reduce benefits and end locality pay and make their job impossible to perform. Things that really hurt them on a personal level but that the average American will not care about because they are selfish and bad and happy they get to say mean things about trans people without repercussions. Then a big chunk of federal workers quit, things break down, and they can go "see this system doesn't work!" and privatize as much as they can.

Dancedreamer posted...

Puppy killer was also confirmed. Some democrats voted for her too. No idea which dems voted for her, but they should be primaried.

• Senator John Fetterman of Pennsylvania
• Senator Tim Kaine of Virginia
• Senator Andy Kim of New Jersey
• Senator Gary Peters of Michigan
• Senator Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire
• Senator Elissa Slotkin of Michigan

Glad to see my senators aren't on there.
And Andy Kim? Really? You just got there, man.

Surprised Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin went with that

Edit: read that wrong

FFDragon posted...

firing requires unemployment

the directly stated goal was to get people to quit

they actively want 20% of the federal workforce to quit

I was placed on indefinite forced suspended leave so I couldnt apply for unemployment

I would have expected Mark Warner (who recently voted in favor of the Laken Riley Act)

Kaine is extremely disappointing.

PerfectChaosZ posted...

indefinite forced suspended leave

that sounds like constructive dismissal and you would get unemployment if you filed for it, just a few more hoops to jump through

Yeah there generally are unemployment provisions for becoming massively under-employed (huge cuts in hours) let alone a full unpaid suspension.

AriaOfBolo posted...

incidentally what are some good fields for remote work for somebody who might need to find a new career at 37 and may or may not be able to leave the house at all within a few months. I'm thinkin data entry but I imagine AI is gonna chew that up pretty soon.

SaaS sales/onboarding, if you like to talk

Kenri posted...

What's the difference between a loyalist and a non-loyalist who does whatever they're told, by the way?

Government workers are by definition loyalists. They have given up self-determination in exchange for a secure job. But now it's not secure anymore.

This is actually the biggest risk they are taking by using the Musk strategy with government jobs. You can't have loyalists if they are paranoid for their position all the time. That's why Stalin and other dictators failed. It's fine with Musk's companies because they are venture capital motivated by profit, but it doesn't work at all with government positions motivated by security.

paperwarior posted...

It's not easier to prove to the people who don't want to believe it.

fair

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/3462a21d.jpg

Crazy shit going on with Colombia right now.

The President of Colombia basically said if youre going to treat migrants as criminals and forcibly expel them by military plane, were not going to accept them. Create a respectful process.

Gaetz tweeted this wild tweet, but also Eric Trump tweeted and deleted a tweet basically saying Tariffs are just the start, we will FUCK YOU UP.

It could definitely escalate to real war. This will be a defining moment for how other countries respond to retaliatory tariffs, so it will probably get more and more heated. Colombia has less to lose so it might be a smart move for them, but it will definitely cost a lot for both their people and ours.

Colombia already backed down

Fuck. I cant decide if thats better or worse.

Probably worse because it validates the idea of using tariffs to bully smaller nations in Trump's eyes. Of course, it's not Colombia (or any other country's) responsibility to endure hardship to prove a point when it's our country that caused all this by putting a petulant manchild into power again.

What twitter is now:

check account that is very specifically "no politics", pushed to the top of my feed is a post of a fake FBI document about MLK(Ultimately calling for removal of the holiday). 14.5 million total views. Nothing in the immediate top of the replies calling it a fake.

This kind of shit really is going to make sure we are all as doomed as we seem to be.

Definitely worse because it gives Trump a win. However, Colombia is just one small country, and Trump will have a significantly harder time going after for instance the EU on Greenland or social media regulation.

Somebody better tell Gaetz America constantly leaves massive shits in other countries

https://wtop.com/loudoun-county/2025/01/could-dulles-airport-be-renamed-after-trump/