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TheGoldenEel posted...

absolutely insane that anyone would feel this way

Thats nice, quote the whole post and explain whats wrong with it

Dynedux posted...

Thats nice, quote the whole post and explain whats wrong with it

nothing inherently wrong with buying your 14 year old child a handgun lmfao what do you need me to explain

TheGoldenEel posted...

nothing inherently wrong with buying your 14 year old child a handgun lmfao what do you need me to explain

Is that what I said? Because I quoted someone saying something about buying a 14 year old a gun, not a handgun, and I gave reasons that you conveniently ignore a second time.

again, your opinion has been noted. Thats nice

Dynedux posted...

Thats nice, quote the whole post and explain whats wrong with it

A 14 year old owning a firearm.

Pretty easy.

I've seen at least 3 completely different manifesto's being attributed to this shooter so be wary of fake ones floating around.

RIP to the victims

I don't think anyone should worry about being a victim of gun related crime, but it's so sad how it disproportionately hurts/kills young people.

Dynedux, your opinion might be a standard American opinion, but the standard American opinion on this matter is inheriently extreme. Most adults dont need guns. Theres even fewer children who need guns. Yes it is inherently bad to own a gun. Its the rare exceptions which are not bad despite it inherently being bad

Rika_Furude posted...

. Yes it is inherently bad to own a gun.

Incorrect

Dynedux posted...

Incorrect

Its a tool designed to kill.

We really don't need to have this little pissfest in this topic.

Rika_Furude posted...

Its a tool designed to kill.

Its a weapon* and it is designed to kill. Thank you. Now describe why its inherently wrong to simply own one

I wouldn't go as far to say it's bad to own one at all, I own a handgun myself, but absolutely no one underage should own one or have any type of access to one.

Dynedux posted...

Its a weapon* and it is designed to kill. Thank you. Now describe why its inherently wrong to simply own one

Because the average person doesnt have a reason to kill anyone. Your semantics argument is cute but meaningless

Dynedux posted...

Its a weapon* and it is designed to kill. Thank you. Now describe why its inherently wrong to simply own one

Can you explain why you think it is ok for a child to own one because to everyone else, especially in a topic about a child using one they owned to kill multiple people, you sound like a lunatic

Rika_Furude posted...

Because the average person doesnt have a reason to kill anyone. Your semantics argument is cute but meaningless

Why does it need to kill someone?

you say Im using semantics but youre using the assumption that a gun is a tool whos only use is to kill another person.

Dynedux posted...

Why does it need to kill someone?

you say Im using semantics but youre using the assumption that a gun is a tool whos only use is to kill another person.

Its purpose is obviously to kill other people. Thats what its designed for. You arent gonna make an argument of well Im a hunter and I only shoot to injure and have that be proof its not inherently bad to own a gun.

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Despised posted...

I wouldn't go as far to say it's bad to own one at all, I own a handgun myself, but absolutely no one underage should own one or have any type of access to one.

I mentioned in my initial post that they should not have unfettered access to one.

what is wrong with a parent purchasing a .22 rifle for a teenager to use specifically for target shooting, where in the weapon and ammo is locked up, separately, with zero access by the child unless the adult is present?

Rika_Furude posted...

Because the average person doesnt have a reason to kill anyone. Your semantics argument is cute but meaningless

Self defense is an extremely real thing, I have never had to draw my weapon but I live in a place that is not known for its friendly and welcoming citizens. I hope I never have to use it, but better to have it and never use it.

I do absolutely believe, as most people do I hope, that tightening restrictions and a revamp of fucking everything is in order, but yeah.

Rika_Furude posted...

Its purpose is obviously to kill other people..

Very incorrect

Right wing fake news source had it as 17 years old trans, lol

Trans in a Christian school, they really really project super hard on the whole trans in school thing they even accused their own brand.

Trevorkkho posted...

Right wing fake news source had it as 17 years old trans, lol

Trans in a Christian school, they really really project super hard on the whole trans in school thing they even accused their own brand.

Its been a bad year for reds and gun violence against other red or red leaning people/institutions

Dynedux posted...

Very incorrect

Based on what. it fires projectiles intended to end the life of its target. you need to justify your arguments

Despised posted...

Self defense is an extremely real thing, I have never had to draw my weapon but I live in a place that is not known for its friendly and welcoming citizens. I hope I never have to use it, but better to have it and never use it.

I do absolutely believe, as most people do I hope, that tightening restrictions and a revamp of fucking everything is in order, but yeah.

Theres already evidence that gun proliferation is inherently more harmful and that self-defence doesnt counterbalance the harm brought. People are safer whenever theres no or extremely few guns in the mix as opposed to everyone owning a gun for self defence. Guns for self defence is a self-defeating ideology.

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Never claimed it was. See my initial post

Rika_Furude posted...

Based on what. it fires projectiles intended to end the life of its target. you need to justify your arguments

Your claim is its purpose is to kill other people

thats disingenuous and incorrect

Dynedux posted...

Your claim is its purpose is to kill other people

thats disingenuous and incorrect

Nope

Rika_Furude posted...

Nope

Yup

Rika_Furude posted...

Based on what. it fires projectiles intended to end the life of its target. you need to justify your arguments

Theres already evidence that gun proliferation is inherently more harmful and that self-defence doesnt counterbalance the harm brought. People are safer whenever theres no or extremely few guns in the mix as opposed to everyone owning a gun for self defence. Guns for self defence is a self-defeating ideology.

That's where it gets trickier obviously, while I don't disagree with you, you won't see me getting rid of mine because the criminals aren't getting rid of their. If there was a magic solution to wipe the slate fully clean I don't even think I would be against it, but that's impossible.

I don't want to assume how or where you grew up, but I have better odds of not getting murdered with my Ruger.

Also, guns are for neutralizing living things. Let your kid shoot when they're old enough to legally own one, find them a different hobby or let them use a BBQ gun until then.

Dynedux posted...

Yup

what do you think a gun is made to do

Shoot

Dynedux posted...

Why does it need to kill someone?

you say Im using semantics but youre using the assumption that a gun is a tool whos only use is to kill another person.

Guns in general may have multiple uses, but the one she had was designed exclusively for killing or causing severe injury to humans.

Despised posted...

That's where it gets trickier obviously, while I don't disagree with you, you won't see me getting rid of mine because the criminals aren't getting rid of their. If there was a magic solution to wipe the slate fully clean I don't even think I would be against it, but that's impossible.

I don't want to assume how or where you grew up, but I have better odds of not getting murdered with my Ruger.

I do think America is buried so deeply in this problem that it cant make it better without making it worse first. I agree with you that in the now, owning guns for self defence makes sense. Its just also a fact that when everyone has that mindset, everyone is worse off. But something really does need to be done to fix the problem long term, cause otherwise the trend shows mass shootings are only going to increase, not decrease. I just dont see it happening at all and even if it did happen I dont know how it can be done without the short term consequences being bad

Tyranthraxus posted...

Guns in general may have multiple uses, but the one she had was designed exclusively for killing or causing severe injury to humans.

Indeed. Never advocated for her or someone her age or mental/emotional state to own a handgun

my entire point is there is nothing inherently wrong with buying a teenage child a firearm, specifically a rifle, so long that all safety procedures and precautions are taken and a mental/emotional eval.

just because you buy something for a child is not immediately giving that child unfettered, unsupervised access to the thing. That is wrong.

Keep in mind no one itt can or is willing to answer this

what is wrong with a parent purchasing a .22 rifle for a teenager to use specifically for target shooting, where in the weapon and ammo is locked up, separately, with zero access by the child unless the adult is present?

Dynedux posted...

Keep in mind no one itt can or is willing to answer this

I already said that rare exceptions arent wrong. That doesnt explain how its not inherently wrong to own a gun designed to shoot to kill

Rika_Furude posted...

I already said that rare exceptions arent wrong. That doesnt explain how its not inherently wrong to own a gun designed to shoot to kill

youre talking out of both sides of your mouth.

is it wrong or is it not?

Because gun ownership shouldn't be normalised, otherwise you end up living in a country with daily shootings.

Dynedux posted...

youre talking out of both sides of your mouth.

is it wrong or is it not?

If you dont like the answers to your question, stop repeating it

leonkr41138 posted...

Im curious how minors are getting guns

I got my first gun at like 10, I think. Then again, I took a lot of safety courses and never thought of using it on another person unless I absolutely had to. I have two in my home right now. Hope this kid gets locked away for good.

Rika_Furude posted...

If you dont like the answers to your question, stop repeating it

You arent answering. Youre saying yes and no

Dynedux posted...

You arent answering. Youre saying yes and no

My answer was plain. What do you think I meant by rare exceptions arent wrong? Tell me what you think that means

LonelyStoner posted...

I got my first gun at like 10, I think. Then again, I took a lot of safety courses and never thought of using it on another person. Hope this kid gets locked away for good.

You havent read the articles have you

Rika_Furude posted...

My answer was plain. What do you think I meant by rare exceptions arent wrong? Tell me what you think that means

Its not inherently wrong, otherwise there would be no rare exceptions. Thus, we agree.

Rika_Furude posted...

I do think America is buried so deeply in this problem that it cant make it better without making it worse first. I agree with you that in the now, owning guns for self defence makes sense. Its just also a fact that when everyone has that mindset, everyone is worse off. But something really does need to be done to fix the problem long term, cause otherwise the trend shows mass shootings are only going to increase, not decrease. I just dont see it happening at all and even if it did happen I dont know how it can be done without the short term consequences being bad

Yup, like I said I would be and am fully open to whatever or ANY fucking changes however tight they can make it, but you will not catch me lacking until that day comes.

For reference I live on the south side of Houston, it's not a warzone, but it was never the safest place and it has only gotten extremely worse in my area as decades go by. I'm in a high crime area even for the Houston metropolitan area, that is in a state where you need literally 0 documentation to carry a fucking missile on your back openly.

Dynedux posted...

Indeed. Never advocated for her or someone her age or mental/emotional state to own a handgun

my entire point is there is nothing inherently wrong with buying a teenage child a firearm, specifically a rifle, so long that all safety procedures and precautions are taken and a mental/emotional eval.

just because you buy something for a child is not immediately giving that child unfettered, unsupervised access to the thing. That is wrong.

I'm going to bed soon, and I want to preface this with every warning I can (ala this is my opinion, I respect yours and anyone else's, etc...), but I just think nah. Let them pursue that when they are of age just like cigarettes, alcohol, and military.

Dynedux posted...

You havent read the articles have you

A 14 year old girl shot up a school. Do I need more information?

LonelyStoner posted...

A 14 year old girl shot up a school. Do I need more information?

Shes dead

Dynedux posted...

Shes dead

Oh no.

Dynedux posted...

Its not inherently wrong, otherwise there would be no rare exceptions. Thus, we agree.

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You're on some good shit lmao

ledzep3__v9 posted...

Because gun ownership shouldn't be normalised, otherwise you end up living in a country with daily shootings.

If anything I really like this answer.
There's no need for a kid to have a gun, or access to one. I get it, muh freedomz, but yeah.

What's the upside or "right" to giving a child that access?