Current Events > Nintendo and The Pokemon Company has filed a suit against Pocketpair (Palworld)

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Murphiroth
09/19/24 3:04:12 PM
#202:


WingsOfGood posted...
patent would be something like how there is a ball for catching water monsters or something

has nothing to do with crafting game or same genre

and ofc who knows what japanese law is about but in general just understanding what patent infringement is about tells us some

someone will probably dig through nintendo patents and figure out what they are suing for explicitly

Yeah man I know what patents are, I wasn't saying the lawsuit had anything to do with it being a crafting game or the same genre.

I was simply disagreeing with his assertion that Nintendo is only suing because they're incapable of making a game better than Palworld, because IMO Palworld is worse than every mainline Pokemon game and frankly kind of boring and uninspired in general.

But I generally don't like the idea of open world Pokemon and think they should go back to dedicated and memorable routes so my opinion on that is outside the norm, and I despise survival/crafting garbage in general.
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Tyranthraxus
09/19/24 3:22:58 PM
#203:


BlackScythe0 posted...
So basically nintendo will win because japanese law is fucked up.

Unknown as Japanese law is way outside people's ability to predict here. The Japanese public would know better but I will say I have never known Nintendo to sue someone if they didn't think they could win.

Capcom tried to do the same thing to Data East in the 90s over fighting games and got smacked down. So in conclusion who fucking knows what's gonna happen.

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Pikachuchupika
09/19/24 3:24:19 PM
#204:


https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/1fkhr7a/this_is_the_patent_palworld_is_likely_being_sued/

"Nintendo has basically patented the idea of capturing stuff in balls, throwing out monsters to fight bosses, or throwing out monsters to interact with objects."

Insane.
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UnholyMudcrab
09/19/24 3:29:30 PM
#205:


Pikachuchupika posted...
https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/1fkhr7a/this_is_the_patent_palworld_is_likely_being_sued/

"Nintendo has basically patented the idea of capturing stuff in balls, throwing out monsters to fight bosses, or throwing out monsters to interact with objects."

Insane.
Reddit seems to be down

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HighSeraph
09/19/24 3:35:17 PM
#206:


Palworld is literally a mockbuster, there's no original thought in the game

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Pikachuchupika
09/19/24 3:37:06 PM
#207:


Palworld just needs to get rid of the capturing pals with balls and replace it with something else. But there's no way Nintendo can get them on the monster battling and interacting. A lot of games have those kinds of mechanics.
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Agent_Stroud
09/19/24 3:39:16 PM
#208:


Pikachuchupika posted...
Palworld just needs to get rid of the capturing pals with balls and replace it with something else. But there's no way Nintendo can get them on the monster battling and interacting. A lot of games have those kinds of mechanics.

How about dodecahedrons? Thatll piss Ninty and TPC off big time since theyll still be roughly spherical, just not entirely.

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The_Korey
09/19/24 3:41:01 PM
#209:


Kaitouace posted...
Had to wait until they made enough money worth suing lol.

My immediate thoughts, lol

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Voidgolem
09/19/24 3:43:29 PM
#210:


Pikachuchupika posted...
Palworld just needs to get rid of the capturing pals with balls and replace it with something else. But there's no way Nintendo can get them on the monster battling and interacting. A lot of games have those kinds of mechanics.

Then they sue *everybody* and get a gazillion dollars.

The plan is flawless

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dancing_cactuar
09/19/24 3:43:55 PM
#211:


The_Korey posted...
My immediate thoughts, lol
That's what this really is about, they're not doing this against SMT and Persona because Sega has lawyers that would make it financially not worth it, and they're not doing it with the devs behind Nexomon and Coromon because they didn't make enough money to justify a lawsuit to extract that money out of them.

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Cataclysmical
09/19/24 3:47:40 PM
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Well, they also wouldn't do it against a series like SMT or Dragon Quest because they've been using those mechanics for longer than Pokemon has existed.

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HighSeraph
09/19/24 3:51:57 PM
#213:


Cataclysmical posted...
Well, they also wouldn't do it against a series like SMT or Dragon Quest because they've been using those mechanics for longer than Pokemon has existed.
Technically it wouldn't matter. For instance the coke formula isn't patented so theoretically if you managed to figure it out exactly and patented it you could then sue Coca Cola for patent infringement.

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neverwin
09/19/24 3:53:19 PM
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Also attacking Dragon quest would ensure Japanese riots at their door step.

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AceMos
09/19/24 3:55:31 PM
#215:


neverwin posted...
Also attacking Dragon quest would ensure Japanese riots at their door step.

just an FYI the idea that dragon quest is so super popular it legally has to release on weekends is a myth

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Tyranthraxus
09/19/24 3:56:33 PM
#216:


AceMos posted...
just an FYI the idea that dragon quest is so super popular it legally has to release on weekends is a myth

I've literally never heard of this before.

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Hayame_Zero
09/19/24 3:59:07 PM
#217:


Tyranthraxus posted...
I've literally never heard of this before.
Yeah, it's a common myth that people skip school and work on days that a new mainline Dragon Quest releases, but it's BS.

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neverwin
09/19/24 3:59:23 PM
#218:


AceMos posted...
just an FYI the idea that dragon quest is so super popular it legally has to release on weekends is a myth

Yes most people know that's not true, DQ is still super popular over there though.

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Pikachuchupika
09/19/24 4:06:42 PM
#219:


Agent_Stroud posted...
How about dodecahedrons? Thatll piss Ninty and TPC off big time since theyll still be roughly spherical, just not entirely.

The subreddit already has a couple of ideas lol:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Palworld/comments/1fkrkb3/capture_bullets/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Palworld/comments/1fkkxkn/i_found_the_perfectly_replacement_for_pal_spheres/
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UnholyMudcrab
09/19/24 4:15:18 PM
#222:


Mr_Karate_II posted...
Nintendo won't lose, pocket pair is fucked.

It's not over the designs, but let's be real here about the designs.

Some Pals very clearly rip off Pokmon designs.

Pocket Pair needs to make their own original pals that are designed from the ground up.
If it's not about the designs and you know that, then why bother bringing it up?

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Agent_Stroud
09/19/24 4:36:42 PM
#228:


Mr_Karate_II posted...
Can't drop it?

So in other words, youre trying to stir shit up that has nothing to do with the topic? Gotcha.

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legendarylemur
09/19/24 4:59:56 PM
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It kinda is about them ripping Nintendo off though. Nintendo don't show off their patents to just anybody. They do it when they just want to win

Even though the patents are gonna be about something else entirely, and Pocketpair are gonna be liable for maybe their entire company if they actually think they can fight it, Pocketpair wouldn't be sued unless they had a blatant history of pulling assets from retail game with private codes from mainly Nintendo. They're an asset flip company that accidentally blew up and bragged about how little they spent on development. Their CEO talks like every other grifter company that came and went.

I hate that people would rather support grifters than developers that make their games from scratch. It just sets such a bad precedence. Imagine other devs working disgusting hours just to see something like Palworld succeed

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Agent_Stroud
09/19/24 5:02:48 PM
#230:


legendarylemur posted...
I hate that people would rather support grifters than developers that make their games from scratch. It just sets such a bad precedence. Imagine other devs working disgusting hours just to see something like Pokmon Sword and Shield succeed.

FTFY.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gaY50VUCZr8&pp=ygUmcG9rZW1vbiBzd29yZCBhbmQgc2hpZWxkIHJldXNlZCBtb2RlbHM%3D


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HighSeraph
09/19/24 5:09:50 PM
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You do realize TPC can reuse their own assets right?

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Agent_Stroud
09/19/24 5:11:53 PM
#232:


HighSeraph posted...
You do realize TPC can reuse their own assets right?

Totally beside the point, bud. TPC are just as lazy and greedy as their apologists are claiming PocketPair of being, yet thats perfectly okay to them in spite of getting increasingly stale and buggy entries like Sw/Sh as well as Scarlet and Violet.

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Dark_twisted
09/19/24 5:13:30 PM
#233:


Agent_Stroud posted...
FTFY.

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That's like saying Sega is ripping off Sega reusing Yakuza assets.

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Agent_Stroud
09/19/24 5:14:05 PM
#234:


Dark_twisted posted...
That's like saying Sega is ripping off Sega reusing Yakuza assets.


Agent_Stroud posted...
Totally beside the point, bud. TPC are just as lazy and greedy as their apologists are claiming PocketPair of being, yet thats perfectly okay to them in spite of getting increasingly stale and buggy entries like Sw/Sh as well as Scarlet and Violet.


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Murphiroth
09/19/24 5:16:25 PM
#235:


Agent_Stroud posted...
Totally beside the point, bud. TPC are just as lazy and greedy as their apologists are claiming PocketPair of being, yet thats perfectly okay to them in spite of getting increasingly stale and buggy entries like Sw/Sh as well as Scarlet and Violet.

Asset reuse is not lazy, it's something literally every dev does, it's smart development.

Scarlet/Violet absolutely had tons of performance issues and those need to be handled by GF, but underneath that is still a solid Pokemon game that's infinitely more enjoyable than generic survival crafting garbage with uninspired and lame monster designs.

It's so weird how aggressive people are about people that still enjoy Pokemon. Calling people apologists just for still enjoying the games is wild.
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HighSeraph
09/19/24 5:17:56 PM
#236:


Agent_Stroud posted...
Totally beside the point, bud. TPC are just as lazy and greedy as their apologists are claiming PocketPair of being
How so, pal? If Pocketpair did violate someone's patent they're much lazier and greedier than a company reusing it's own assets. Do you have the same level of contempt for From Software for constantly reusing models and animations?

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Agent_Stroud
09/19/24 5:18:38 PM
#237:


Murphiroth posted...
Asset reuse is not lazy, it's something literally every dev does, it's smart development.

Scarlet/Violet absolutely had tons of performance issues and those need to be handled by GF, but underneath that is still a solid Pokemon game that's infinitely more enjoyable than generic survival crafting garbage with uninspired and lame monster designs.

It's so weird how aggressive people are about people that still enjoy Pokemon. Calling people apologists just for still enjoying the games is wild.

Personal preference noted. Still doesnt explain the lack of innovation nor the myriad of other complaints fans have had with TPC for a while now especially since the asset reuse should have theoretically freed up time and resources for new features as opposed to taking away from them.

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Agent_Stroud
09/19/24 5:19:57 PM
#238:


HighSeraph posted...
How so, pal? If Pocketpair did violate someone's patent they're much lazier and greedier than a company reusing it's own assets. Do you have the same level of contempt for From Software for constantly reusing models and animations?

FromSoft continues to improve and innovate with each subsequent release of theirs, unlike TPC with each new pair of Pokmon games.

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Voidgolem
09/19/24 5:21:55 PM
#239:


Between the pokemon side being weirdly aggro about perceived "plagiarism" and the anti-nintendo/pokemon company side being weirdly aggro over the Pokemon games being poor quality I don't think we'll see the whining stop.

The folks in the "yeah palworld is kinda fun/palworld is kinda meh" corner (re: actually played the game) mostly seem to mind their own business

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Murphiroth
09/19/24 5:23:40 PM
#240:


Agent_Stroud posted...
Personal preference noted. Still doesnt explain the lack of innovation nor the myriad of other complaints fans have had with TPC for a while now especially since the asset reuse should have theoretically freed up time and resources for new features as opposed to taking away from them.

"lack of innovation" yeah this where I disconnect with most Pokemon fans, because I don't see sticking to what works as a problem.

They don't really need to innovate IMO, just keep making solid Pokemon games with memorable routes, characters, and 'Mons. I'd prefer they step back from open world and go back to more linear routes, even, because moving in that direction has been nothing but problematic and makes the routes way less memorable.

People always clamor for an open world MMO like Pokemon game and I'm just baffled that someone would want that because it sounds fucking awful.

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Prestoff
09/19/24 5:25:32 PM
#241:


Voidgolem posted...
Between the pokemon side being weirdly aggro about perceived "plagiarism" and the anti-nintendo/pokemon company side being weirdly aggro over the Pokemon games being poor quality I don't think we'll see the whining stop.

The folks in the "yeah palworld is kinda fun" corner mostly seem to mind their own business

Honestly, this. I'm in the "palworld is kinda fun" park, but I'm mostly interested to hearing Nintendo's argument regarding patent. It would be out of character for Nintendo file a lawsuit over something that doesn't have a good chance at winning. This can lead to an interesting precedent if taken to court, even a more interesting case if Nintendo/TPC were to somehow lose.

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Enclave
09/19/24 5:26:12 PM
#242:


HighSeraph posted...
How so, pal? If Pocketpair did violate someone's patent they're much lazier and greedier than a company reusing it's own assets. Do you have the same level of contempt for From Software for constantly reusing models and animations?

Can you explain how patent infringement is lazyness? Say a company had made a loading screen mini-game back before the patent for it had expired, would that be more or less lazy than a bog standard black screen with a Loading... bit of text flashing in the corner?

Really seems to me that you really want this to be about copyright infringement and are kinda lost as to how to make an argument here on the basis of patents.

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Mr_Karate_II
09/19/24 6:26:04 PM
#243:


Prestoff posted...
Honestly, this. I'm in the "palworld is kinda fun" park, but I'm mostly interested to hearing Nintendo's argument regarding patent. It would be out of character for Nintendo file a lawsuit over something that doesn't have a good chance at winning. This can lead to an interesting precedent if taken to court, even a more interesting case if Nintendo/TPC were to somehow lose.
I don't see Nintendo losing because they've rarely lost a court case or not lost at all.


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Mr_Karate_II
09/19/24 6:26:47 PM
#244:


I do see PocketPair going belly up after the lawsuit, there's no way they can survive a lawsuit from Nintendo.

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Tyranthraxus
09/19/24 6:46:23 PM
#245:


Mr_Karate_II posted...
I do see PocketPair going belly up after the lawsuit, there's no way they can survive a lawsuit from Nintendo.
Shironeko Project settled a patent dispute with Nintendo for 30 million dollars ( equivalent). PocketPair made that in like one hour of sales.

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Kami_no_Kami
09/19/24 8:32:00 PM
#246:


Im not your Palworld, Buddyland!
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LonelyStoner
09/19/24 8:33:32 PM
#247:


Meanwhile, Maxmoefoe sells merch thats super blatant about copyright infringement lol.

One of his most popular shirts is just the Nintendo logo with an M instead of an N

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