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KamikazePotato
07/12/24 10:03:07 PM
#101:


Yeah, if the prosecution purposefully withheld evidence, then this should be a mistrial even if Baldwin had shot someone while yelling "I want to kill this man!" while cackling maniacally. That's just how it is.

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Suprak_the_Stud
07/12/24 10:12:09 PM
#102:


From a NYT article:

A judge in New Mexico dismissed the case against Alec Baldwin on Friday after finding that the state had withheld evidence that could have shed light on how live rounds got onto a film set where the cinematographer was fatally shot.

The dismissal followed a dramatic scene when the lead prosecutor, Kari T. Morrissey, went from questioning witnesses to taking the stand herself. She gave an account of why a batch of ammunition that had been turned in to the state several months ago by a witness who claimed it was related to the Rust shooting had been put in an entirely different case file and was not handed over to the defense.

It was my impression that they did not match the live rounds from the set of Rust, Ms. Morrissey said on the stand, saying that she had only viewed a photo of the ammunition.

But when the ammunition was brought into the courtroom earlier Friday at the judges request it became clear that some of the rounds resembled those found on the Rust set.

The new evidence was brought into the courtroom in a manila envelope. Judge Marlowe Sommer put on blue latex gloves, cut it open with a pair of scissors and got down from the bench to examine the ammunition inside in the well of the courtroom as the prosecution and defense surrounded her. The examination determined that three of the rounds did, in fact, resemble the live rounds found on the set of Rust after the shooting.

They buried it, Luke Nikas, a lawyer for Mr. Baldwin, said in court. They put it under a different case with a different number.

Also:

Ms. Morrissey had blamed the movies armorer, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, for the live rounds, which the armorer denied. Ms. Gutierrez-Reed was convicted of involuntary manslaughter for loading the live round into the gun that Mr. Baldwin was rehearsing with, and is currently serving 18 months in prison.

The ammunition examined in court on Friday came from a man named Troy Teske, a friend of Ms. Gutierrez-Reeds stepfather, Thell Reed, who is a well-known Hollywood armorer.

He first surfaced in the trial on Thursday, as Mr. Baldwins defense team questioned a crime scene technician. It emerged that Mr. Teske, a retired police officer, had gone to the Santa Fe County Sheriffs Office around the time of Ms. Gutierrez-Reeds trial and handed over some ammunition that he believed was related to the case.

The crime scene technician, Marissa Poppell, testified that she had spoken to Mr. Teske and saved the ammunition, but that she put it under a different case number than the Rust case.

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Suprak_the_Stud
07/12/24 10:13:34 PM
#103:


crazyisgood posted...
He seems guilty and should be held accountable

"Your honor I would like you to reconsider your decision and legal precedent because of vibes."

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neonreaper
07/12/24 10:16:36 PM
#104:


Like I said, you should have done Karen Read.

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crazyisgood
07/12/24 10:21:04 PM
#105:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
Then I guess the prosecution should have done a better job

If you are guilty of something then you are guilty of it plain and simple. It doesn't matter if the prosecution hides evidence or mishandled things. If he was a part of anything that led to that girls death. From irresponsibly hiring people who aren't qualified to do safety on set to Pointing a gun at someone that he can't tell is loaded. He should have to pay for his involvement. Now key words are If he is guilty.


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PrivateBiscuit1
07/12/24 10:52:28 PM
#106:


TeamRocketElite posted...
Something I was wondering, could a person still be in legal trouble even if they don't pull the trigger? Like the gun malfunctions at exactly the wrong time and fires. My understanding is that even pointing the gun at other people was a violation of safety protocol designed to defend against accidental firings.
That would throw into question it even more. Like you're not supposed to point a gun at all at anyone unless you intend to shoot, and that's what's drilled into actors' heads and what Alec Baldwin himself also said.

So, yes, you could be. But you'd have more burden of proof there than you do than having a gun that absolutely cannot be shot without putting a good amount of pressure on the trigger, like in this case.

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PrivateBiscuit1
07/12/24 10:55:21 PM
#107:


neonreaper posted...
Like I said, you should have done Karen Read.
I wish I had! It was half over by the time I noticed it was going on! I know that one was wild.

I like following trials like these, but alas. It's over already. I was planning to watch today's trial on my plane rides tomorrow but I don't think I'll bother now.

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Suprak_the_Stud
07/12/24 10:56:17 PM
#108:


If you are guilty of something then you are guilty of it plain and simple. It doesn't matter if the prosecution hides evidence or mishandled things.

It absolutely does. If the second happens then you cannot be sure of the first. That's the whole point of a trial by jury and why we don't just have cops decide who needs to be in jail based on vibes (well, if you believe our system works).

Here, there were rounds submitted to the police department that at the very least looked identical to the live round that killed the person in this trial. These rounds were not only not tested, but were submitted under a different case file by the prosecution based on the fact she looked at a photograph and decided "nah these aren't important". Later, the defense asked for all ballistic evidence. The prosecution's entire case was essentially the armorer herself had brought the live ammo and that is Baldwin's fault because he should've known her youth and inexperience would lead her to doing stupid stuff like this (and definitely NOT because the prosecutor was a political hack trying to score political points).

This provided another avenue that the defense could've used to identify the source of the live rounds on set. They now have no time to look into what could be exculpatory evidence because the prosecution unilaterally decided to hide it. She did this because she knew it would be harmful to the case she was trying to bring forward. If these truly were nothing and she was not worried about complicating her argument, she could've filed it as normal because then who would care. "Hey someone did submit something they claimed were identical to the live rounds but they were actually gummi bears so yeah look into it all you want." Either she was worried about what it would show or she had already made her mind up and didn't want additional complications. If she was right, it is a shame because she ruined her case so badly he cannot be brought under criminal investigation again.

I get some people were hoping he'd be guilty because he's smug and has different political beliefs than you, but there is a reason this was dismissed with contempt.

Plus the civil case is still pending so he's not completely off yet.

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BlueCrystalTear
07/12/24 10:56:34 PM
#109:


crazyisgood posted...
If you are guilty of something then you are guilty of it plain and simple.
This part is true. But if he's guilty, wouldn't all the evidence point to that conclusion, without a need to hide it? And that's why the rest of your point is wrong. If the evidence isn't handled correctly and things are obstructed, how can someone's guilt or innocence be fairly judged?

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PrivateBiscuit1
07/12/24 11:03:33 PM
#110:


Suprak_the_Stud posted...
I get some people were hoping he'd be guilty because he's smug and has different political beliefs than you, but there is a reason this was dismissed with contempt.
I was personally hoping he'd be convicted because he pointed a gun at somebody and shot it.

But yes, if this one part of the investigation is thrown into question, the whole investigation is thrown into question. Brady Law. 101 Law stuff. She knew what she was doing. Like everyone is to have a fair trial, and if she doesn't give one to him, that means he goes off. And that's unfortunately more important than the conviction.

I saw a part of the Judge preparing to give a verdict on the Motion to Dismiss and stated that she knew how serious this is and wanted to go through every single point that needs to be considered before declaring it a mistrial, and presumably she did so. She absolutely did the right thing, it just sucks that Baldwin gets off easy.

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PrivateBiscuit1
07/12/24 11:16:35 PM
#112:


Oh, hilarious question and response from the prosecutor's press thing.

"Do you think Mr. Baldwin is guilty?"
"I don't think it's my place to say if I think he's guilty or not."

Why would you press charges if you didn't believe he was guilty? Lol These prosecutors man. I'm sure she was just frazzled because her career is over, but damn easiest answer for a prosecutor to answer.

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Grand_Kirby
07/12/24 11:18:43 PM
#113:


crazyisgood posted...
If you are guilty of something then you are guilty of it plain and simple. It doesn't matter if the prosecution hides evidence or mishandled things
As it turns out, in situations where prosecutors hide evidence and AREN'T caught doing so the people they're prosecuting have an unusual tendency to be found guilty "plain and simple". Probably just a coincidence.

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Runemistress
07/13/24 12:07:49 AM
#114:


crazyisgood posted...
If you are guilty of something then you are guilty of it plain and simple. It doesn't matter if the prosecution hides evidence or mishandled things. If he was a part of anything that led to that girls death. From irresponsibly hiring people who aren't qualified to do safety on set to Pointing a gun at someone that he can't tell is loaded. He should have to pay for his involvement. Now key words are If he is guilty.

It does matter if the prosecution hides evidence. If we allow prosecutors to hide evidence, then they don't just hide evidence for guilty parties. They hide evidence to secure convictions. In the United States, everyone has a right to a fair trial guilty or not. If a prosecutor hides evidence, it might not be discovered for years, while innocent people remain in prison. Further if a prosecutor hides evidence, it calls into question all of their convictions. What other evidence did they hide? If we forego fair trials in order to punish the guilty, inevitably we forego fair trials to punish the innocent as well.

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Uglyface2
07/13/24 1:40:18 AM
#115:


Definite fuck-up by the prosecution. Whatever my thoughts on the facts of the case, you have to do things the right way.
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ChichiriMuyo
07/13/24 2:04:25 AM
#116:


PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
Oh, hilarious question and response from the prosecutor's press thing.

"Do you think Mr. Baldwin is guilty?"
"I don't think it's my place to say if I think he's guilty or not."

Why would you press charges if you didn't believe he was guilty? Lol These prosecutors man. I'm sure she was just frazzled because her career is over, but damn easiest answer for a prosecutor to answer.
Basically saying "I thought I was going to get the win regardless of the truth." Between that and witholding evidence, this really should be a career ender.

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SaveEstelle
07/13/24 10:02:22 AM
#117:


I dont know where I expected this trial to go, but this would not have been on my bingo card.

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Kinglicious
07/13/24 11:55:53 AM
#118:


crazyisgood posted...
If you are guilty of something then you are guilty of it plain and simple.

On a moral level, sure.
On a legal matter, or facing incarceration, hell no. You're only guilty if the prosecution can say no reasonable situation exists where you aren't. State and feds can get fucked if they can't prove it.

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FFDragon
07/13/24 1:51:57 PM
#119:


i'm just catching up on all this and it's all wild

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htaeD
07/13/24 2:20:10 PM
#120:


Who put Phoenix Wright level of evidence crimes into my real life trials?

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Thorn
07/13/24 3:01:29 PM
#121:


My only knowledge/engagement with this trial before yesterday was just reading a bit about it when the shooting first happened and at least back then it sounded like just a tragic accident. I don't know what, if anything, came out after that, so maybe I simply missed a lot - but given that first impression it always felt odd to me that there was a trial at all for Baldwin.

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barreldragon88
07/13/24 6:15:47 PM
#122:


Man, the prosecutor is really dumb. If she really wanted Baldwin to pay for what he did, she should have did things the right away, as a lawyer should. There seemed to be a high chance Baldwin would not get off scott free anyway. She thought her withholding evidence wouldn't be caught? She thought doing what she did was worth the risk of her career going down the toilet?

This must be the fastest high-profile murder trial ever. Baldwin is damn lucky and many people are probably not satisfied with this result

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PrivateBiscuit1
07/13/24 6:51:52 PM
#123:


barreldragon88 posted...
She thought doing what she did was worth the risk of her career going down the toilet?
Let me just say that she seemed very comfortable with having done this and trying to explain herself.

It would be difficult to believe this was her first time doing it. Which is what makes it so awful.

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UshiromiyaEva
07/13/24 7:55:19 PM
#124:


People posting Ace Attorney memes, but this whole scenario has been done on the original Law & Order like twice, right down to Jack McCoy withholding evidence he decided wasn't relevant, and calling himself to the stand to defend himself.

And he's portrayed as the good guy.

And I do love Jack McCoy.

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barreldragon88
07/14/24 12:21:36 AM
#125:


PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
Let me just say that she seemed very comfortable with having done this and trying to explain herself.

It would be difficult to believe this was her first time doing it. Which is what makes it so awful.
That's the ironic part. She deserves all the punishment coming her way

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Hardcore_Adult
07/14/24 8:40:19 AM
#126:


Uglyface2 posted...
Definite fuck-up by the prosecution. Whatever my thoughts on the facts of the case, you have to do things the right way.

Tell that to the Prosecutors who kneel before the Almighty $ and help unzip it!

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