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SupermanLost
05/30/23 3:46:53 PM
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-birthright-citizenship-children-unauthorized-immigrants/

Former President Donald Trump on Tuesday pledged to challenge a long-standing interpretation of the U.S. Constitution in an attempt to end birthright citizenship for children of unauthorized immigrants if he defeats President Biden in the 2024 election. If he secures a second presidential term, Trump said he would issue an executive order during his first day back at the White House in January 2025 instructing the federal government to deny citizenship to children with parents who are not American citizens or legal permanent residents. Under a decades-long interpretation of the Constitution, children born on U.S. soil are automatically bestowed American citizenship, even if their parents are not themselves citizens or legally present in the country. Some immigration hardliners have long criticized the policy, saying it encourages parents to come to the U.S. illegally. While he was in the White House, Trump repeatedly floated the idea of challenging the interpretation, but never took action. In his announcement Tuesday, Trump portrayed the move as part of a broader crackdown on unauthorized immigrants and asylum-seekers that he has promised if he returns to the White House. He has also vowed to launch the largest immigration roundup and deportation operation in U.S. history.

"My policy will choke off a major incentive for continued illegal immigration, deter more migrants from coming and encourage many of the aliens Joe Biden has unlawfully let into our country to go back to their home countries. They must go back," Trump said in a video message on Tuesday. If Trump wins the 2024 presidential election and follows through on his promise, the move to end birthright citizenship for children of immigrants living in the U.S. without legal permission is all but certain to face significant legal challenges. The 14th Amendment of the Constitution, adopted following the Civil War, declares that all "persons born or naturalized in the United States" are "citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." "Any executive action that a president might try to end birthright citizenship would be challenged in court and would be likely struck down as unconstitutional," said Stephen Yale-Loehr, an immigration law professor at Cornell University.
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BlueBoy675
05/30/23 3:47:50 PM
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I cannot put into words how much I hate this man

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BurmesePenguin
05/30/23 3:48:57 PM
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Didn't he say that during his first run as well?

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K181
05/30/23 3:49:01 PM
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The Dems should be airing ads about this on Spanish-language airwaves basically in every major city for the next year and a half+ nonstop.

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KTG2
05/30/23 3:51:04 PM
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The saddest part of anything Trump says is that he doesn't believe a goddamn word of it. He's such a desperately pathetic narcissist that he will say literally whatever gets him the most attention.

If you asked him to explain his stance on this without a teleprompter in front of him, he'd have a fucking stroke. Media will never actually challenge him though because he makes them so much money.

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Were_Wyrm
05/30/23 3:52:01 PM
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SupermanLost posted...
"Any executive action that a president might try to end birthright citizenship would be challenged in court and would be likely struck down as unconstitutional,"
Is it sad that legal scholars are all "this thing explicitly stated in the constitution will probably be deemed constitutional, but we don't really know if it will"?

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ZMythos
05/30/23 3:54:33 PM
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Were_Wyrm posted...
Is it sad that legal scholars are all "this thing explicitly stated in the constitution will probably be deemed constitutional, but we don't really know if it will"?
With our current corrupt and far-right conservative SCOTUS it's impossible to be sure of anything that would go unquestioned a decade ago.


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famfam
05/30/23 3:58:20 PM
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ZMythos posted...
With our current corrupt and far-right conservative SCOTUS it's impossible to be sure of anything that would go unquestioned a decade ago.

you do understand that "far-right conservative" (in the context of SCOTUS judges) means undying loyalty to the words in the constitution as is, right?
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UnsteadyOwl
05/30/23 4:02:02 PM
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Were_Wyrm posted...
Is it sad that legal scholars are all "this thing explicitly stated in the constitution will probably be deemed constitutional, but we don't really know if it will"?
Very true. There was a time I would have said with confidence that birthright citizenship can only be removed with a Constitutional Amendment. With the current SCOTUS though there's no telling.

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TomClark
05/30/23 4:03:40 PM
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BlueBoy675 posted...
I cannot put into words how much I hate this man


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divot1338
05/30/23 4:10:22 PM
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There are probably a dozen Trump bastards running around out there about to get deported.

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Guns_of_Verdun
05/30/23 4:11:31 PM
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Were_Wyrm posted...
Is it sad that legal scholars are all "this thing explicitly stated in the constitution will probably be deemed constitutional, but we don't really know if it will"?
Not really the legal scholars fault.

The Supreme Court is far right now.

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Tanthalas
05/30/23 4:14:47 PM
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famfam posted...
you do understand that "far-right conservative" (in the context of SCOTUS judges) means undying loyalty to the words in the constitution as is, right?
They'll wipe their ass with the constitution whenever they feel like it.

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divot1338
05/30/23 4:17:00 PM
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famfam posted...
you do understand that "far-right conservative" (in the context of SCOTUS judges) means undying loyalty to the words in the constitution as is, right?
Not in the least. It means theyll pretend that theyll interpret whichever small section of the Constitution in whatever incorrect way that supports their predetermined decision.

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UnsteadyOwl
05/30/23 4:19:39 PM
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famfam posted...
you do understand that "far-right conservative" (in the context of SCOTUS judges) means undying loyalty to the words in the constitution as is, right?
All of Trump's appointees to the SC said in front of Congress and the nation that Roe v Wade is settled law and then when they got on the bench voted to overturn it.

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CyricZ
05/30/23 4:28:02 PM
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BlueBoy675 posted...
I cannot put into words how much I hate this man
Not here anyway.

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Bio1590
05/30/23 4:29:19 PM
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Ending automatic birthright citizenship isn't inherently a bad thing. There's a reason only the Americas, a couple countries in Africa, and Pakistan are the only plays with unrestricted jus soli.

Probably a questionable thing to go after it under this angle but idk what the numbers are.

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wanderingshade
05/30/23 4:30:37 PM
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*all the Republican immigrants reaping*

"This sucks what the fuck".

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mybbqrules
05/30/23 4:33:24 PM
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Guarantee you there are undocumented illegals working in Mar-A-Lago right this instant.

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justaguy3492
05/30/23 4:35:01 PM
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Bio1590 posted...
Ending automatic birthright citizenship isn't inherently a bad thing

What makes you say that?

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UnsteadyOwl
05/30/23 4:36:35 PM
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mybbqrules posted...
Guarantee you there are undocumented illegals working in Mar-A-Lago right this instant.
That's the dirty secret is Republicans don't actually want to stop the flow of undocumented immigrants into the country. They like having a steady flow of cheap, exploitable labor.

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Derwood
05/30/23 4:41:05 PM
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Anarchy_Juiblex
05/30/23 4:41:35 PM
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Bio1590 posted...
Ending automatic birthright citizenship isn't inherently a bad thing.

Yes it is.

There's a reason only the Americas, a couple countries in Africa, and Pakistan are the only plays with unrestricted jus soli.

You say that like it's a bad thing.
There is a reason, because it's a superior way of doing it.

Probably a questionable thing to go after it under this angle but idk what the numbers are.

There's no going after it "from this angle". It's Constitutionally guaranteed and any plain text or scholarly reading comes to the same conclusion.

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divot1338
05/30/23 4:43:39 PM
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Yes it is.

You say that like it's a bad thing.
There is a reason, because it's a superior way of doing it.

There's no going after it "from this angle". It's Constitutionally guaranteed and any plain text or scholarly reading comes to the same conclusion.
I would have said that about the Second Amendment but then we got Scalias Heller.

Words matter. Particularly when its a law. But the Republican Supremes just dont care.

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Bio1590
05/30/23 4:46:20 PM
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justaguy3492 posted...
What makes you say that?
Because there's entire black market "industries" built around getting children citizenship in countries like the US or Canada, so they (the kid(s)) can conveniently return at some point in the future, and then make it easier for the rest of the family to immigrate over.

Obviously that's not exactly the same scenario, and Trump obviously doesn't have the power to kill an entire Amendment himself, but if the law were to change I can't see the US killing one aspect of jus soli and not the other.

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Anarchy_Juiblex
05/30/23 4:47:43 PM
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divot1338 posted...
I would have said that about the Second Amendment but then we got Scalias Heller.

No idea why you keep lying to yourselves like there wasn't a right to own guns before Heller.
All that did was reaffirm what was already the norm for 98% of the country.
Something being necessary is fluff text.
"The people" and "shall not be infringed" is the important bit.

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Bio1590
05/30/23 4:52:28 PM
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
You say that like it's a bad thing.
There is a reason, because it's a superior way of doing it.
It's literally only policy in the Americas because they desperately wanted people to move here and displace the Native populations 200-300 years ago. Not a single one of the 4 main countries responsible for a majority of the colonization of the Americas (Portugal, Spain, the UK, and France) have completely unrestricted jus soli anymore themselves in their home countries.

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
There's no going after it "from this angle". It's Constitutionally guaranteed and any plain text or scholarly reading comes to the same conclusion.

My "angle" comment was directed at it from a "We have to stop the illegal immigrants" angle and not a "We have to stop the birth tourism" angle.

Although I doubt Trump has any interest in ending birth tourism given the reports of how much the Russians are paying to stay in places like his hotels to give birth.

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justaguy3492
05/30/23 4:59:12 PM
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Bio1590 posted...
Because there's entire black market "industries" built around getting children citizenship in countries like the US or Canada, so they (the kid(s)) can conveniently return at some point in the future, and then make it easier for the rest of the family to immigrate over.

I've never heard of this happening, do you have an article about it? In most cases it's just undocumented people coming to the U.S, having a child, and then that child has citizenship. The kid then grows up doing everything a citizen would do and the country isn't any worse off for it. I guess if there is a large number of people playing 5d immigration chess like you say then that would be something worth looking into, but birthright citizenship is an overall good thing.

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famfam
05/30/23 5:15:33 PM
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UnsteadyOwl posted...
All of Trump's appointees to the SC said in front of Congress and the nation that Roe v Wade is settled law and then when they got on the bench voted to overturn it.

that has nothing to do with strict interpretation of the constitution, and in fact, abortion is not a right guaranteed in the constitution
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MrMojoRising
05/30/23 5:24:58 PM
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Anyone who says that the SCOTUS's conservatives' adherence to "originalist" philosophy will prevent them from ruling in Trump's favor hasn't been paying attention.

They decide how they will rule on the case before they even hear arguments. All they have to do is come up with the reasoning afterwards.

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Giblet_Enjoyer
05/30/23 5:35:32 PM
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Bio1590 posted...
Ending automatic birthright citizenship isn't inherently a bad thing.
Yeah it is a weird concept, citizenship granted to the child of non-citizens through illegal means.
The citizenship through marriage thing's weird too tbh

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BurmesePenguin
05/30/23 5:38:02 PM
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Is there any evidence that there's widespread cases of pregnant women illegally entering the US to pop it out?

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thronedfire2
05/30/23 5:40:36 PM
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Bio1590 posted...
It's literally only policy in the Americas because they desperately wanted people to move here and displace the Native populations 200-300 years ago. Not a single one of the 4 main countries responsible for a majority of the colonization of the Americas (Portugal, Spain, the UK, and France) have completely unrestricted jus soli anymore themselves in their home countries.


if the 2nd amendment has taught us anything it's that the actual reasons for amendments being written hundreds of years ago are irrelevant to their interpretation now

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Dancedreamer
05/30/23 5:43:38 PM
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Birthright Citizenship is part of the 14th amendment. Of course.. with our current supreme court that's sadly meaningless. They will interpret it however they want to interpret it.

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Bio1590
05/30/23 6:02:54 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
if the 2nd amendment has taught us anything it's that the actual reasons for amendments being written hundreds of years ago are irrelevant to their interpretation now
The US' policy of birthright citizenship predates the 14th Amendment and is basically just rooted in old English common law, from a case from over 400 damn years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvin%27s_Case

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UnsteadyOwl
05/30/23 6:03:49 PM
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famfam posted...
that has nothing to do with strict interpretation of the constitution, and in fact, abortion is not a right guaranteed in the constitution
In Roe v Wade the Supreme Court specifically ruled that the right to an abortion is protected by the Constitution. In their confirmation hearings these Justices said that the ruling in Roe v Wade is settled law, that it is a settled legal question that the right to an abortion is guaranteed. Obviously they didn't mean what they said.

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famfam
05/30/23 6:26:39 PM
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divot1338 posted...
Not in the least. It means theyll pretend that theyll interpret whichever small section of the Constitution in whatever incorrect way that supports their predetermined decision.

[A]ll persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States.

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Questionmarktarius
05/30/23 6:37:16 PM
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Stop letting anchor babies be anchors, and the problem solves itself.
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tremain07
05/30/23 6:40:27 PM
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K181 posted...
The Dems should be airing ads about this on Spanish-language airwaves basically in every major city for the next year and a half+ nonstop.
They should but they won't. Dems fucking suck at getting their message across and I 100 percent blame the old bastards in charge of the party, those rich dicks truly do not care or understand the problem facing the nation, I'm sure they don't care because they'll be too rich or too dead to think it'll ever affect them.

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andel
05/30/23 6:41:28 PM
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so he wants to change the constitution? definitely just as empty a promise as him building a wall, much less making mexico pay for it

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NO2_Fiend
05/30/23 6:45:29 PM
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SupermanLost posted...
children born on U.S. soil are automatically bestowed American citizenship, even if their parents are not themselves citizens or legally present in the country.

I think any child capable of being born in a country where their parents are not currently present should not only be given citizenship but also made god king of the country.

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KhlavicLanguage
05/30/23 6:46:19 PM
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BurmesePenguin posted...
Is there any evidence that there's widespread cases of pregnant women illegally entering the US to pop it out?
There's hotels in Guam where chinese ladies go specifically for that, lol
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brestugo
05/30/23 6:50:28 PM
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KhlavicLanguage posted...
There's hotels in Guam where chinese ladies go specifically for that, lol
They do raids in L.A. & Orange Counties very often also.

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CableZL
05/30/23 6:51:52 PM
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I'm pretty sure he wanted to do this in his first term, too.

He can't, though, because it would require a constitution change. It's not something he can do with an executive order.

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KhlavicLanguage
05/30/23 7:02:01 PM
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brestugo posted...
They do raids in L.A. & Orange Counties very often also.
wild lmao
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Tenlaar
05/30/23 7:04:50 PM
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This is one of those broken clock situations where Trump stumbled upon something that is reasonable at its face but obviously his motivations are wrong and he would implement it in the most petty and hateful way possible.
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brestugo
05/30/23 7:05:33 PM
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KhlavicLanguage posted...
wild lmao

Just did a quick google and found raids going back to 2013 in L.A. won't bother with the OC but it's kind of known it goes on a lot here.

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KhlavicLanguage
05/30/23 7:07:25 PM
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Tenlaar posted...
This is one of those broken clock situations where Trump stumbled upon something that is reasonable at its face but obviously his motivations are wrong and he would implement it in the most petty and hateful way possible.
no you don't understand, if we don't allow literal blatant anchor-babying we are being racist. fuck everyone who immigrated here legally, they should have played it smarter. /s
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divot1338
05/30/23 7:11:05 PM
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We are literally the country built by yeehawing everyone elses land.

And we always end up silently allowing those who cheat or bend the rules if they dont get caught in the act. Case and point: Oklahoma.

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Kradek
05/30/23 7:14:54 PM
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famfam posted...
that has nothing to do with strict interpretation of the constitution, and in fact, abortion is not a right guaranteed in the constitution

Roe v Wade declared a right to privacy, in this case medical privacy. That's why Thomas immediately said he wanted to challenge other cases based off that right to privacy, to end anti-sodomy laws, contraception, and I believe same-sex marriage as well.

And if you think that the Founding Fathers, the guys who made sure to make an amendment saying no forced quartering of soldiers, didn't intend for us to have a right to some sort of privacy just because they didn't literally put it in the Cons. then you are very open to fascism.

This court is legislating off of their Christian Nationalist beliefs, we see that in regards to Roe as well as siding with the football coach praying on the 50 yd line which has been used by TX to justify forcing every classroom to have a large-scale Ten Commandments so they can indoctrinate children.

And recently Thomas was the deciding vote revoking the protections on wetlands because Harlan Crowe's son wants to develop on it.

If you truly believe that this right-wing christo-fascist court actually cares about consistency or even the literal lettering of the law unless it suits them, then I dunno what to tell ya other than you likely agree with how they've been ruling.

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