Poll of the Day > Tears of the Kingdom Thread 2

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Link's just a little guy with big problems.

He is pretty small compared to a lot of people, tbh

He's like 4 feet tall lol

Also he weighs the same as like 5 apples

What's your guys favorite treasure? personally I'm a huge fan of x5 arrows.

x10 arrows or bust.

For real though I'm so relieved when I open a chest and get arrows, when it's a weapon or a shield it's like "the hell am I supposed to leave for this?"

I haven't had much time to play but I already have 500+ arrows. I wish shrine treasures had more rubies and sapphires and such

papercup posted...

x10 arrows or bust.

For real though I'm so relieved when I open a chest and get arrows, when it's a weapon or a shield it's like "the hell am I supposed to leave for this?"

I was happy for arrows, too Though now Im good since Ive saved up a bunch

SilentSeph posted...

I haven't had much time to play but I already have 500+ arrows. I wish shrine treasures had more rubies and sapphires and such

Yeah. The gems would be good I want more of those

i have 13 arrows

papercup posted...

Yeah those are so much better than the tests of strength in BotW. Any time I found one of those I was like "oh, this, again?" but any time I found the eventides I'm like "oooh, yay these are fun!"

I feel the "this again?" for both of them, eventide ones are just as formulaic as the tests of strength. Grab starting items, kill the first few enemies, take their weapons, attach their headgear to arrows and headshot a few more enemies (if it gave you a bow), fuse whatever's around to your weapons, and then finish up the remainder. Eventide was fun because it was unique and it wasn't just about killing all the enemies.

Just got three whole batteries, so I think I can do some serious exploring for more Zonite down below and beeline some shrines on the surface and sky islands.

Cant believe I played until so late today lol

PK_Spam posted...

Cant believe I played until so late today lol

The past few nights have been like 'Alright just one more shrine before bed...oh the dragon is nearby I'm just gonna shoot its part real quick...wait I haven't explored this cave yet this should be quick...ok let me exchange for a few crystallized charges...it's sunrise already??'

GanonsSpirit posted...

I feel the "this again?" for both of them, eventide ones are just as formulaic as the tests of strength. Grab starting items, kill the first few enemies, take their weapons, attach their headgear to arrows and headshot a few more enemies (if it gave you a bow), fuse whatever's around to your weapons, and then finish up the remainder. Eventide was fun because it was unique and it wasn't just about killing all the enemies.

Thats if you brute force them. Ive been trying to do whatever the shrine wants me to do. For the vehicle one, I drove the vehicle and ran everything over. For the trap one, I used some of the traps, like light the ground of fire after luring them over. For the water one, I pulled the boat from under them and let them drown. For the auto-fighters, I built death machine to go after the enemies, including the fire and cannon ones When you just go in attacked all of them the same way, they will feel exactly the same. But if you use the stuff around, they feel a little more unique There were only a few I wasnMt fond of, but even they werent too bad

Yeah, most of the eventide-style ones have some opportunity to do something more interesting than fighting them head-on. It may not be optimally efficient, but having the opportunity to drive around a giant death machine or deploy an army of killer robot tanks with no regard for battery limits is pretty fun. I find myself consistently thinking "ooh, what will I get to do this time?" whenever I find one.

Do any of the Eventide ones have a 10x arrow treasure glitch?

Pro tip: If you attach a zonai hover stone to an arrow it will deploy the hover stone after a second, so you can make your own ascend point wherever you want

i like sniping with rockets

Did the Desert Temple. Gonna work on cleaning up the last like 10 or something shrines on the surface before moving on with the story.

Edit: also of the four dungeons Ive done so far, water was the worst, desert was the best.

Why is it that every time I solve a puzzle "the way I want" it feels like I'm cheating? It feels like the real puzzle is "how do they want me to solve this"

papercup posted...

water was the worst, desert was the best.

Fucking cursed

Same every single Zelda game. Video game water is trash. Only Spyro did it right.

Its not even bad for the reasons youd expect. Its barely a dungeon. Theres barely anything water about it. Entire dungeon took me maybe 15 minutes.

The dungeons so far seem like a compramise between BotW style and traditional style. To varying levels of enjoyability.

papercup posted...

Its not even bad for the reasons youd expect. Its barely a dungeon. Theres barely anything water about it. Entire dungeon took me maybe 15 minutes.

I played it, I remember falling off some jank platforming at an awkward angle in a sewer until I got really angry

Yellow posted...

Video game water is trash. Only Spyro did it right.

Counterpoint: Subnautica

Granted, Subnautica's land movement is kinda janky, which I guess just reflects that control schemes that work for land movement don't necessarily work for water and vice versa.

ReturnOfFa posted...

The dungeons so far seem like a compramise between BotW style and traditional style. To varying levels of enjoyability.

The dungeons are ass

I keep getting scared half to death by Tulins avatar because he looks like a fuckin creepypasta/Destiny enemy.

just did the entire south lomei prophecy quest which took like an hour and a lot of effort just to be rewarded with yet another shitty piece of armor that Ill never use. i love this game and have 60 hours in it but damn, so much of this shit is not very rewarding

that is every game that has an asstruck of crap

idk i feel like Elden ring did that part of the game pretty well

it absolutely did not

go in dungeon, beat sadistic boss, lose 10 years of your life due to stress, receive a flail.

y'ever used a fuckin flail in that game?

The Nightrider's Flail was pretty badass

DirtBasedSoap posted...

idk i feel like Elden ring did that part of the game pretty well

In Elden Ring every reward was a dice roll on if you could even use it with your build.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxVCbC3aEAAoP6N?format=jpg&name=large I found the Fierce Deity's sword! The set is complete :D

GanonsSpirit posted...

In Elden Ring every reward was a dice roll on if you could even use it with your build.

Sure but you might find a weapon that inspires you to change your build

Cruddy_horse posted...

Sure but you might find a weapon that inspires you to change your build

Which isn't doable in ER, since it is gated by Smithing Stones, which are finite and very hard and time consuming to hunt down. You basically have to gamble on a style and stick with it. One of the (many) frustrating and poorly designed aspects of ER.

ReturnOfFa posted...

The dungeons so far seem like a compramise between BotW style and traditional style. To varying levels of enjoyability.

I've only done the Wind Temple so far, and I kind of feel that.

The design of a giant floating ark is kickass and feels epic, but the interior is a pretty lame copy and paste of the same art design, and it's pretty damn empty. It's a ship so I guess it makes sense to not have a "temple-y" design, but finding 6 wind machines to power also felt like a let down. Whereas the Divine Beasts didn't feel like temples, but had temple-like mechanic (i.e., rotate the entire building to solve the puzzle, etc.).

That said, the boss was epic, if easy.

CyborgSage00x0 posted...

Which isn't doable in ER, since it is gated by Smithing Stones, which are finite and very hard and time consuming to hunt down. You basically have to gamble on a style and stick with it. One of the (many) frustrating and poorly designed aspects of ER.

That applies to most Souls games, I find. There's a ton of build variety, but because of how stats and weapon upgrades work, trying to switch builds mid-run often doesn't work very well and/or requires significant compromises. It makes them very beginner-unfriendly because they don't give much room to play around with different builds before settling on one, and if you start out without a clear direction in mind you can pretty severely gimp your character. Fortunately, build guides are everywhere and it's easy to get that direction so your first run doesn't end up needing to be restarted, and once you know what you're doing pivoting a build mid-run or making one up on the fly is certainly quite possible, but there's still definitely a lack of build flexibility there.

CyborgSage00x0 posted...

Which isn't doable in ER, since it is gated by Smithing Stones, which are finite and very hard and time consuming to hunt down. You basically have to gamble on a style and stick with it. One of the (many) frustrating and poorly designed aspects of ER.

maybe moreso in the beginning, but you are able to buy them eventually

CyborgSage00x0 posted...

Which isn't doable in ER, since it is gated by Smithing Stones, which are finite and very hard and time consuming to hunt down. You basically have to gamble on a style and stick with it. One of the (many) frustrating and poorly designed aspects of ER.

This is incorrect, not only are most low-mid level Smithing stones common rewards for exploration, you can find the special items that allow shops to sell an infinite amount of them except for the final tier which isn't at all needed for a first playthrough anyway. You'd know this if you simply progressed past the first area.

Try again.

ConfusedTorchic posted...

maybe moreso in the beginning, but you are able to buy them eventually

After you find items/quests that actually unlock that ability, and even then they can be pricey and require a grind. It's a lot of gatekeeping and grind for something that the game dangles in front of you as an exciting key feature. Ergo, the original pointing out that you can switch up your build in ER needs a lot of contextualization to merit even brining up.

Basically, ER did a poor job of managing the "ass load of crap" factor of an open world game.

I haven't played much but my son has been. He was really proud to show me he built a wooden guy with a wang that pees when you hit it.

CyborgSage00x0 posted...

After you find items/quests that actually unlock that ability, and even then they can be pricey and require a grind. It's a lot of gatekeeping and grind for something that the game dangles in front of you as an exciting key feature. Ergo, the original pointing out that you can switch up your build in ER needs a lot of contextualization to merit even brining up.

Basically, ER did a poor job of managing the "ass load of crap" factor of an open world game.

once you've gotten to the point where you can start reliably purchasing stones, the only thing gatekeeping you is your own willingness to actually do it.

there's also ng+ where you just restart but keep everything, which is where most people, i think, start actually buildcrafting

imo it's really a non-issue once you get to the point where you'd even want to try switching.

also, i feel like the majority of people going into a souls game tend to understand how the games work and go from there. elden ring probably had the most people going in not knowing a dick damn thing about the style of game, but it seems to have worked out

how did i switch from "elden ring has the same issue as zelda with rewards" to "nah it's fine"

what's even happening here

ConfusedTorchic posted...

there's also ng+ where you just restart but keep everything, which is where most people, i think, start actually buildcrafting

imo it's really a non-issue once you get to the point where you'd even want to try switching.

I'd disagree, since I found plenty of weapons I wanted to try and switch to on my first run, but knew doing so would be a massive time suck, and that's to see if I even LIKED the different weapon/style. It was a bummer to constantly find cool looking stuff and knowing it'd take a lot of work to get it up to snuff. For a game where stats, styles, weight burden, and relation to stamina drastically effect everything related to combat, it desperately needed some sort of testing arena/zone to help try builds, styles, and min-maxing out.

And while I know that about ng+, of course, it's hard to argue a game is well designed when it only feels like it works as intended AFTER investing 100+ hours and beating the game once to get to that point.

ConfusedTorchic posted...

also, i feel like the majority of people going into a souls game tend to understand how the games work and go from there.

I agree, but to a point. What we know call "Souls-like" is the main draw of playing those games. That said, ER is the 6th iteration of this formula (if we count Demon Souls), so it's really run out of excuses to be shoddy in so many ways (don't even get me started on the map, the aiming, the glitches, etc.).

ConfusedTorchic posted...

how did i switch from "elden ring has the same issue as zelda with rewards" to "nah it's fine"

what's even happening here

Devil Advocating and arueging with yourself ain't that uncommon the longer the thread goes and with more people added, heh. :P That said, going back to the main point, I think it's easy to argue that ER handles the "throw a lot of bullshit at you" aspect of an open-world game way worse than BotW/TtoK does.

I got on today like yeah, Im gonna finish my battery wells!. On the way to my first miniboss I ran into Ferosh, so I said well I do need to farm dragon parts so I just farmed dragon parts for four hours. Nice thing is dragons dont despawn, they are always loaded in, they are always progressing their tracks. So once you get a part you just grab onto a back spike and just wait 10 minutes for the dragon to be ready again. Holding onto the dragon does not spend stamina.

papercup posted...

I got on today like yeah, Im gonna finish my battery wells!. On the way to my first miniboss I ran into Ferosh, so I said well I do need to farm dragon parts so I just farmed dragon parts for four hours. Nice thing is dragons dont despawn, they are always loaded in, they are always progressing their tracks. So once you get a part you just grab onto a back spike and just wait 10 minutes for the dragon to be ready again. Holding onto the dragon does not spend stamina.

I just sit on their head, only holding on when they go up or down

I hate that alot of shrines are just flat out tutorials, even outside lookout landing I'm getting annoyingly simple puzzles that require using a singular ability to move or Recall something.

I also hate that going into a shrine despwns any Zonai things you've built, why did I create a cool vehicle using limited resources if it's going to go away when I interact with the most important exploration mechanic?

papercup posted...

Do you have auto build? If not go to the depths, below the Great Plateau, and do the quest there.

I did, but it still uses resources.

EDIT: in the northeast now and I'm getting a tutorial shrine on how to sneak attack despite the gaem telling you how to do this in the designated tutorial area, why must you do this Nintendo.

Cruddy_horse posted...

I did, but it still uses resources.

EDIT: in the northeast now and I'm getting a tutorial shrine on how to sneak attack despite the gaem telling you how to do this in the designated tutorial area, why must you do this Nintendo.

While I think it would have been better to get those shrines earlier, Nintendo probably also cant say what order youll do the shrines in

LinkPizza posted...

While I think it would have been better to get those shrines earlier, Nintendo probably also cant say what order youll do the shrines in

This.

Also there are a LOT of hidden shrines. There's I believe 152 shrines total. A lot of them are blessing shrines, but there's some blessing shrines that are extremely well hidden, or the puzzles you have to do to solve them are really neat.

Cruddy_horse posted...

I also hate that going into a shrine despwns any Zonai things you've built

Yeah this is a pain. I honestly do most of my surface exploration on foot. Horses are annoying to track down when you start climbing/gliding and I don't want to abuse Autobuild because I'm saving up for battery upgrades instead