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GANON1025
05/27/23 6:16:38 PM
#1:


Surprised there's no topic about this show, unless I missed it? Maybe it's not that popular around here, but I'm excited.

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masterplum
05/27/23 6:18:32 PM
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After starting to watch the show shortly after season 4 started I have made it to s4 e9 with my spouse as of today. Looks like we caught up just for the finale.

The only thing I have looked at online was one Shiv meme which made me think the internet hates shiv

Because of course the internet hates Shiv

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Johnbobb
05/27/23 6:40:25 PM
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Sarah Snook 100% has to win the Emmy for this season

like there's a lot of award-worthy performances here, but there's no way she doesn't take this, right?

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scarletspeed7
05/27/23 7:17:52 PM
#4:


Pulling for the Disgusting Brothers to be crowned by the end of the series.

I would have been on-board for a Shiv victory, but "Your numbers are gay" definitely closed the book on my supporting her forever.

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GANON1025
05/27/23 7:26:47 PM
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Despite everything, I cant help but root for Ken

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masterplum
05/27/23 9:35:13 PM
#6:


Ken would make a bad CEO

I think thats better than his siblings who I cant see actually being CEO

but that I think is the point of the show. There arent heroes here. Ken over and over again is shown that his fallback is throwing money at a problem and you watch it not work

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Aecioo
05/27/23 9:36:53 PM
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Followed by barry series finle

Goodbye best one two punch in tv

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masterplum
05/27/23 10:30:05 PM
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Of the 4 siblings I like Shiv the most because I find her flaws most relatable.

But obviously I wouldnt want her as CEO of my company.

I think the most fitting end is if the GoJo deal goes through and she gets backstabbed and still gets thrown out and everyone is left with nothing.

Well, 2 billion dollars, but relatively nothing.

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scarletspeed7
05/27/23 11:12:50 PM
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I will say, there was a missed opportunity at the funeral for Ken to sing "L to the OG".

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Johnbobb
05/27/23 11:16:46 PM
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masterplum posted...
Ken would make a bad CEO
Maybe that's what's needed to finally burn the company to the ground

There aren't really many characters left on the show that are redeemable

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RuneterranSnap
05/28/23 12:09:39 AM
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I still need to watch this

And figure out how to sell my wife on it

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KingButz
05/28/23 3:03:09 AM
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masterplum posted...
but that I think is the point of the show. There arent heroes here.

Expert analysis!

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masterplum
05/28/23 7:06:26 AM
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Johnbobb posted...
Maybe that's what's needed to finally burn the company to the ground

There aren't really many characters left on the show that are redeemable

I would be shocked if any character is redeemed. That isnt the point. Probably the most innocent character in the show is Greg, and you catch glimpses that he wouldnt be any better of a person with power than anyone else.

My favorite parts of the show are when you catch glimpses of people like their mother also being total dicks to remind you that even the minor characters arent great people.

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masterplum
05/28/23 8:46:37 PM
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Here we go

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MoogleKupo141
05/28/23 9:30:03 PM
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lol I cant believe theyre bringing up Lawrence Yee again

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masterplum
05/28/23 10:36:35 PM
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What a fucking ending. Loved it

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changmas
05/28/23 10:42:24 PM
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the raw emotion near the end. jeremy strong was incredible

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masterplum
05/28/23 11:03:52 PM
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I just absolutely loved Ken lost because of his outstanding flaws that always made him a bad CEO. He couldn't ever deal with situations that started to not go his way such as trying to call the best heart surgeons for his dying dad.

I am just so happy that is how it went down. It was so expertly precise.

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MoogleKupo141
05/28/23 11:55:31 PM
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Im really sorry its over because it was just so good, but they really went out on top. Couldnt be a better circumstance to end it.

but also the show was really funny and Id take a million episodes of a Disgusting Brothers comedy spin-off

or Connor being a diplomat abroad with the guy from Perfecf Strangers

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scarletspeed7
05/29/23 12:01:59 AM
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The right man won, in the end. If you think about it, Tom is a self-made man in the vein of Logan to some extent, and regardless of how he's always been treated, he IS a man who has been grinding to the best of his abilities every step of the way.

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Johnbobb
05/29/23 12:06:00 AM
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Greg getting stickered was the peak of the episode tbh

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masterplum
05/29/23 8:15:01 AM
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The implication is Tom was carrying them around the entire time just for that

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Bartzyx
05/29/23 10:10:05 AM
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scarletspeed7 posted...
If you think about it, Tom is a self-made man in the vein of Logan to some extent, and regardless of how he's always been treated, he IS a man who has been grinding to the best of his abilities every step of the way.

I couldn't disagree more. He's nothing like Logan. He's the classic case of "failing upward" by ingratiating himself with those in power. Everyone knows he's incompetent but he managed to win by being a "yes" man and sycophant. Greg is the opposite side of the coinalso an incompetent outsider but instead attempted to gain power by being duplicitous/treacherous. Neither of them would have had any chance of success without their connections, but Greg played it wrong and ended up right back where he started.

My thoughts: I was hoping, when the season started, that the kids would get control and the show would end with them destroying the company with their incompetence, but this ending is fine. Looks like Roman is the only one of the main characters who got anything resembling a happy ending. He finally realizes and accepts who he really is, which nobody else seemed to be able to do. Tom got one of the things he wanted throughout the whole series but at the cost of giving up the other thing he wanted the whole series.

I really enjoyed this show as an exhibit of the character flaws of those with power. Each of the primary characters was flawed in a unique way, and seeing how they react and interact when pushed into conflict was fascinating. This was a terrific show.

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masterplum
05/29/23 10:17:34 AM
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I think it's amusing that over the 4 seasons it ends with Ken showing he had no character development

Which is almost unique to him, but shows why he is the biggest loser of them all.

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scarletspeed7
05/29/23 11:47:09 AM
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Bartzyx posted...
I couldn't disagree more. He's nothing like Logan. He's the classic case of "failing upward" by ingratiating himself with those in power. Everyone knows he's incompetent but he managed to win by being a "yes" man and sycophant. Greg is the opposite side of the coinalso an incompetent outsider but instead attempted to gain power by being duplicitous/treacherous. Neither of them would have had any chance of success without their connections, but Greg played it wrong and ended up right back where he started.

I didn't say he was "like" Logan, just that he was a self-made man in the vein of Logan, which is demonstrated by the ATN numbers really being curated under his watch, even with the devil's pact with Menken nonwithstanding. For me, the epiphany was in Ewan's not-so-eulogy, where he talks about how haunted Logan was by the death of his sister. Then, by the end of the penultimate episode, we're learning the same is true for Tom in regards to witnessing Logan's death, as well. There's a certain drive to both men, and while I think the show goes to great pains to show that Tom doesn't necessarily know how to play the sycophant game without being ham-handed, he's honest about that. At the same time, he has Logan's viciousness on full display in especially the early seasons towards Greg. It returns in full force upon his annointment however; immediately, there's decisiveness, and the same inscrutability as he marches Hugo off to summon his own executioner at the end. Tom isn't Logan - never has been - but he is the only one who has been grinding away at the company. He wants it more than anyone else; Shiv and Kendall are sweeping back into Waystar at the start of the show, Roman is Roman, but Tom? Tom may well be the only person who values Waystar in the way that Logan had in his younger days. Unfortunately, he ISN'T Logan. That's the entire point. He's as best as Logan's legacy can get - which is someone who rose to prominence from nothing, in the way that Logan did. Though Tom's rise isn't meteoric or ingenious in any way; it's through grinding away and never biting that hand that feeds you. In the end, that's something that the siblings could never really learn to accomplish (among their many other flaws).

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Johnbobb
05/29/23 12:44:52 PM
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Bartzyx posted...
I couldn't disagree more. He's nothing like Logan. He's the classic case of "failing upward" by ingratiating himself with those in power. Everyone knows he's incompetent but he managed to win by being a "yes" man and sycophant. Greg is the opposite side of the coinalso an incompetent outsider but instead attempted to gain power by being duplicitous/treacherous. Neither of them would have had any chance of success without their connections, but Greg played it wrong and ended up right back where he started.
I don't know that I'd agree with this. Tom definitely builds himself by connecting with those in power, but I wouldn't say it's out of incompetence. The back half of this season in particular really just shows how much effort Tom puts in to building his power, probably moreso than most of the main cast. There was even a recurring idea that Tom was literally running himself ragged with lack of sleep in his attempts to pull every lever and keep everything operating.

Meanwhile Greg is who I would consider the biggest example of relying on his connections, literally bringing up the family angle constantly despite just being a cousin with no business experience or knowledge. In fact that finale was one of the first real examples we saw of him making a clever play to strike out on his own, and of course because he's Greg, it backfires.

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Johnbobb
05/29/23 12:47:15 PM
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On an unrelated note, a lot of characters got a bad ending, but goddamn Shiv being stuck in a loveless marriage with someone who she hates and who betrayed her ambitions multiple times while pregnant with his kid because it's the only way to have even a tiny stake in her family's company... I mean, she didn't deserve a "win" but that last scene of her putting her hand in Tom's, almost obediently, was downright hard to watch

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masterplum
05/29/23 1:03:31 PM
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Yeah I didn't think that was obident at all.

If she really hated Tom she wouldn't have wavered.

Tom offered the same way he offered at the beginning of S4

Shiv checked on Tom when she thought she still had it in the bag. She still cares

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scarletspeed7
05/29/23 1:37:19 PM
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I absolutely agree that Shiv just doesn't want to let Tom go. Despite her constant pushes to denigrate him and mistreat him, she's clearly drawn to the notion of being with Tom constantly. The obediency there I think is just a painful acceptance that despite her dislike - and occasional hatred - towards Tom, she still wants to be with him. Which is to her detriment.

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GANON1025
05/29/23 1:56:22 PM
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Between the beach scene and that weird drink, I sincerely thought Ken was going to die or get seriously injured lol. Overall, a great finale. In the end, Logan's pronouncement that the kids aren't serious people ended up being true.

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GANON1025
05/29/23 1:58:51 PM
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The virtual dinner was also really interesting it seems like Connor genuinely had their dads affection. Something the others never quite got

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scarletspeed7
05/29/23 2:06:35 PM
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The fact that Connor was uninterested in the business, and the fact he's so much older than the other kids since he's from the first marriage, really has always fascinated me. I was telling JB when we were watching the episode at that exact scene that it seemed like Connor may have been the only child Logan treated like his own.

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masterplum
05/29/23 6:15:04 PM
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I think Conner was the only child he didnt need to worry about trying to manipulate him for power.

He could let his guard down. Even when Connor wanted something it was always extremely ham fisted and direct

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RuneterranSnap
05/29/23 6:35:36 PM
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Why does Max list Will Ferrell as one of the creators of this lol

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MoogleKupo141
05/30/23 2:49:03 AM
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Hes an executive producer on the show

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