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Fluttershy
05/26/23 7:56:41 AM
#101:


Point is, youre not being forced to do OPTIONAL side-quest stuff.

it doesn't matter how you get there, it has no excuse to be bad. that's the point.

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Psuedo_Audacity
05/26/23 7:58:07 AM
#102:


Fluttershy posted...
dopamine hits

It can never be overstated how moronic that a neurotransmitter has gotten leveraged into a metaphor for "things that I find rewarding".
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viewmaster_pi
05/26/23 7:59:08 AM
#103:


Psuedo_Audacity posted...
"I can't control myself from obsessively collecting everything that can possibly be obtained, and that's on the devs!"

Dude, this game aint for you.
when did i ever say that? my whole point is that i don't want to do this stuff, and it should be made a little more player friendly if they want people to do anything but roll their eyes at it

stop being a contrarian, stop putting words in my mouth, and most importantly

viewmaster_pi posted...
fuck off already


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TyVulpine
05/26/23 7:59:19 AM
#104:


viewmaster_pi posted...
i guess understanding that people can have negative opinions regarding facets of things they otherwise like is a difficult concept, too.

"this could be better"
"THEN GO PLAY A DIFFERENT GAME, HATER"

fuck off already
Isnt that hypocritical what you just did?
this games sucks.
Then go play something else.
Fuck off! People can have a different opinion!
So because I have a different opinion than you, you tell me to fuck off?

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Fluttershy
05/26/23 7:59:22 AM
#105:


it's almost like dopamine is the reward neurotransmitter or something.

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Psuedo_Audacity
05/26/23 8:00:00 AM
#106:


viewmaster_pi posted...
my whole point is that i don't want to do this stuff

Then don't. Pretty much none of the content of the game is affected by not doing it. What's the issue?
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Psuedo_Audacity
05/26/23 8:00:32 AM
#107:


Fluttershy posted...
it's almost like dopamine is the reward neurotransmitter or something.

But not really. But really not really.
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TyVulpine
05/26/23 8:00:39 AM
#108:


Fluttershy posted...
Point is, youre not being forced to do OPTIONAL side-quest stuff.

it doesn't matter how you get there, it has no excuse to be bad. that's the point.
Bad according to who, exactly? Thats okay if you find it bad, others find it fun. Your opinion is just that.

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Fluttershy
05/26/23 8:00:47 AM
#109:


stating the obvious, but you don't get it. kevin millar put it best, that first base fuck:

'the fans boo because they want to cheer.'

But not really

i see you're maintaining an argument level of not having one ever.

Bad according to who, exactly?

the people who would rather avoid it, obviously.

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TyVulpine
05/26/23 8:02:31 AM
#110:


Fluttershy posted...
stating the obvious, but you don't get it. kevin millar put it best, that first base fuck:

'the fans boo because they want to cheer.'

statijg the obvious, youre butthurt because the devs didnt contact you personally to cater the game specifically to your views/


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voldothegr8
05/26/23 8:02:38 AM
#111:


viewmaster_pi posted...
yeah, they were crazy fast to jump on this, meanwhile pokemon still looks like an intern glued it together with free unity assets
Easy duping didn't happen until 1.1, so Nintendo probably screwed something up trying to fix bow item duping.

As for Pokemon, it's dev team isn't under Nintendo so they lack the Nintendo polish.

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Fluttershy
05/26/23 8:04:01 AM
#112:


statijg the obvious, youre butthurt because the devs didnt contact you personally to cater the game specifically to your views/

if you can't handle criticism you should do something else. i wasn't aware you were one of the devs; i'm sorry i hurt your feelings so badly.

and OPTIONAL means you dont have to do it

if it isn't worth doing, it shouldn't be in the game. c'mon dude.

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viewmaster_pi
05/26/23 8:04:04 AM
#113:


TyVulpine posted...
So because I have a different opinion than you, you tell me to fuck off?
of course not! i tell you to fuck off because you are being willfully obtuse to disregard and devalue my opinion.

Psuedo_Audacity posted...
Then don't. Pretty much none of the content of the game is affected by not doing it. What's the issue?
the issue is that the devs made poor choices that push me away from doing things in their game. kind of an oopsie doopsie when your game stops being fun and becomes a list of chores. "so don't do it" isn't a solution to fix what people are complaining about, you just want to be annoying

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TyVulpine
05/26/23 8:06:51 AM
#114:


viewmaster_pi posted...
of course not! i tell you to fuck off because you are being willfully obtuse to disregard and devalue my opinion.
Which is exactly what youre doing. Disregarding and devaluing opinions of anyone that disagrees with you. Stop being a hypocrite. If people like the grinding of an OPTIONAL side-quest, fine. Thats their choice. But complaining about something that is OPTIONAL is just being asinine.

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Psuedo_Audacity
05/26/23 8:07:19 AM
#115:


Fluttershy posted...
i see you're maintaining an argument level of not having one ever.

Dopamine has dozens of functions in the brain, and even its involvement in reinforcement and prediction error is actively debated in the field.

The "oh, this makes me feel good, dopamine hit!" is so far gone from reality if what dopamine does, it really is used more like a literary metaphor for "this thing makes me feel good" in an age where sciency terminology has become hip. Dopamine is actually not involved in the good feeling that one gets after taking drugs like cocaine and heroin!
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Fluttershy
05/26/23 8:08:24 AM
#116:


i don't really care. bitch about my syntax, dude, you ain't right about game design.

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Psuedo_Audacity
05/26/23 8:08:28 AM
#117:


viewmaster_pi posted...
the issue is that the devs made poor choices that push me away from doing things in their game. kind of an oopsie doopsie when your game stops being fun and becomes a list of chores. "so don't do it" isn't a solution to fix what people are complaining about, you just want to be annoying

I think it being annoying the play the game in a way the devs didn't design the game to be played is probably actually good design.
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Fluttershy
05/26/23 8:09:23 AM
#118:


I think it being annoying the play the game

lol, slow down. argument equivalent of a voice crack.

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Psuedo_Audacity
05/26/23 8:10:20 AM
#119:


Cutting a sentence in half in a way that completely changes its meaning is not clever, it's desperate.
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viewmaster_pi
05/26/23 8:10:40 AM
#120:


TyVulpine posted...
ergo you can avoid it.
which means you're being dissuaded out of doing or getting something you want because an unreasonable cost or task has been put in front of it. instead of going into drone defense mode for no reason, allow people to complain. it's not hurting your experience, and we both know the devs won't rebalance the grind anyway, lol

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Fluttershy
05/26/23 8:11:02 AM
#121:


not understanding what i meant is kinda just disappointing.

guess i absolutely should explain, because i can't in good faith assume you lack the need: you typed 'the' too many times. you were rushing. just -- deep breaths between posts going forward, okay?

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Psuedo_Audacity
05/26/23 8:13:27 AM
#122:


Fluttershy posted...
not understanding what i meant is kinda just disappointing.

Oh, you mean that autocorrect of to, to the? Yeah, kinda sad to point that out.
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Fluttershy
05/26/23 8:14:45 AM
#123:


you were just pitching a tantrum about me using the term 'dopamine hit'.

also, you still had no clue what i meant. that's disappointing.

Cutting a sentence in half in a way that completely changes its meaning

like i didn't do that. maybe you need some dopamine in your system.

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viewmaster_pi
05/26/23 8:16:46 AM
#124:


TyVulpine posted...
If people like the grinding of an OPTIONAL side-quest, fine. Thats their choice.
sure, but no one has said this, and no one ever will. the only two people arguing are people who aren't going to do any of it anyway, (and may not even play at all, idk) therefore have no reason to be invested in the argument. even if there are people who like hitting hundreds of rocks or whatever, i'm willing to bet there are a lot more who don't. needs of the many, etc

again i reiterate, allow people to think and complain about what hurts their experience. no one's hurting you or your experience if you never cared anyway

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Fluttershy
05/26/23 8:17:51 AM
#125:


even if there are people who like hitting hundreds of rocks or whatever, i'm willing to bet there are a lot more who don't. needs of the many, etc

and once you realize that those people exist as a dev, no, you don't try to see how far you can push them.

i still have no idea how bad the grind is in this game but the thing with the guts sounded pretty bullshit.

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TyVulpine
05/26/23 8:22:32 AM
#126:


viewmaster_pi posted...
sure, but no one has said this, and no one ever will. the only two people arguing are people who aren't going to do any of it anyway, (and may not even play at all, idk) therefore have no reason to be invested in the argument. even if there are people who like hitting hundreds of rocks or whatever, i'm willing to bet there are a lot more who don't. needs of the many, etc

again i reiterate, allow people to think and complain about what hurts their experience. no one's hurting you or your experience if you never cared anyway
Different strokes for different folks. I know that concept is hard for the "waaah! Nintendo hates gamers!" folks, but come on, man. Get over yourself.

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Psuedo_Audacity
05/26/23 8:24:10 AM
#127:


Lol, so several users who haven't played the game are complaining the hardest about how much of a grindfest these optional upgrades are, but have no idea how those things actually fit into the game. Not sure you can complain about a game's design without actually playing it and understanding how things work.

Seems like trolling to me.
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Fluttershy
05/26/23 8:25:42 AM
#128:


Different strokes for different folks. I know that concept is hard for the "waaah! Nintendo hates gamers!" folks, but come on, man. Get over yourself.

out of material.

Not sure you can complain about a game's design without actually playing it and understanding how things work.

my complaints have been about game design choices as a broad thing and i've asked about how it fits into this game. you don't even have gotchas, bro.

i'd also like to point out that you haven't been able to refute anything from these sources you think are uninformed. kind of ironic. it's kind of why you've parachuted out of the design conversation and are taking shots at people instead now. like, i'm sorry you're taking things this way.

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Psuedo_Audacity
05/26/23 8:27:36 AM
#129:


Lmao.
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TyVulpine
05/26/23 8:28:45 AM
#130:


Fluttershy posted...
Different strokes for different folks. I know that concept is hard for the "waaah! Nintendo hates gamers!" folks, but come on, man. Get over yourself.

out of material.

Not sure you can complain about a game's design without actually playing it and understanding how things work.

my complaints have been about game design choices as a broad thing and i've asked about how it fits into this game. you don't even have gotchas, bro.

i'd also like to point out that you haven't been able to refute anything from these sources you think are uninformed. kind of ironic. it's kind of why you've parachuted out of the design conversation and are taking shots at people instead now. like, i'm sorry you're taking things this way.
So you're complaining about a game you haven't actually tried yet? SMH oy vey. When you actually do, then you have a right to complain.

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viewmaster_pi
05/26/23 8:28:55 AM
#131:


Fluttershy posted...
i still have no idea how bad the grind is in this game but the thing with the guts sounded pretty bullshit.
not everything is bad or requires a grind, but the things that do just make it all the more baffling, considering the first ratty hood you find can be upgraded much more easily and offers the same or better defense than something else. there's just no thought put into the cost vs reward and i hoped after their big sequel it would have been improved

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Fluttershy
05/26/23 8:29:29 AM
#132:


So you're complaining about a game you haven't actually tried yet?

try re-reading the post.

ratty hood

is this an adjective or an item name lol

Lmao.

i mean, i don't blame you for not wanting to say anything any more. hasn't really worked out.

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lucariopikmin
05/26/23 8:32:01 AM
#133:


TyVulpine posted...
So you're complaining about a game you haven't actually tried yet? SMH oy vey. When you actually do, then you have a right to complain.
You're gonna quote where this got said, you're so sure of yourself that you have no issue doing that and you have no right to make a single argument until you prove you're not making shit up.

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Fluttershy
05/26/23 8:34:07 AM
#134:


it was a pretty bad gotcha scramble. they were hoping your reading comprehension was bad. rude, right?

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TyVulpine
05/26/23 8:37:17 AM
#135:


Psuedo_Audacity posted...
Lol, so several users who haven't played the game are complaining the hardest about how much of a grindfest these optional upgrades are, but have no idea how those things actually fit into the game. Not sure you can complain about a game's design without actually playing it and understanding how things work.

Seems like trolling to me.

lucariopikmin posted...
You're gonna quote where this got said, you're so sure of yourself that you have no issue doing that and you have no right to make a single argument until you prove you're not making shit up.


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Fluttershy
05/26/23 8:38:46 AM
#136:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSqm3VWEay0

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viewmaster_pi
05/26/23 8:38:53 AM
#137:


oh my god, i was just looking to see how many moblin guts and lynel horns and shit i need for something, and i see that i actually have a set that requires shooting stars to upgrade.

i like the torso piece of this set, so what do i have to do? wait around at night and sit there and see if a star is falling, then run across the fucking field to get it AND make sure i get to it before 6 AM because it'll despawn by dawn. this right here is the unfun anti-player's time shit that i'm talking about. i need at least 1, then i assume like everything else, it goes 3 or 5, then 7 or 10 or whatever. have fucking mercy

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viewmaster_pi
05/26/23 8:39:36 AM
#138:


Fluttershy posted...
is this an adjective or an item name lol
i just called it that, but i actually like it, it goes nicely with a lot of stuff, lol

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Fluttershy
05/26/23 8:41:05 AM
#139:


okay about the rng shooting star things, like, spoilery questions, but is this a zelda game where you can manipulate time?

i'm like trying to come up with defenses for it. like maybe it's a thing they were hoping you'd sorta passively accrue, because you'd see a shooting star every now and then just fucking about. like korok seeds but dramatic.

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NeonTentacles
05/26/23 8:41:29 AM
#140:


TyVulpine posted...
Its called fleshing out a game so players dont gripe its too short.
lmao 1st off TotK is definitely not short. 2nd, if you need to add tedious grinding to "flesh out the game" you failed as a game designer

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ViewtifulJoe
05/26/23 8:44:51 AM
#141:


viewmaster_pi posted...
oh my god, i was just looking to see how many moblin guts and lynel horns and shit i need for something, and i see that i actually have a set that requires shooting stars to upgrade.

i like the torso piece of this set, so what do i have to do? wait around at night and sit there and see if a star is falling, then run across the fucking field to get it AND make sure i get to it before 6 AM because it'll despawn by dawn. this right here is the unfun anti-player's time shit that i'm talking about. i need at least 1, then i assume like everything else, it goes 3 or 5, then 7 or 10 or whatever. have fucking mercy
Quickfire interview.
Is this taking a significant toll on your overall opinion of the game?
Was there a number out of 100 that's steadily decreasing?

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TyVulpine
05/26/23 8:45:39 AM
#142:


NeonTentacles posted...
lmao 1st off TotK is definitely not short. 2nd, if you need to add tedious grinding to "flesh out the game" you failed as a game designer
LMAO I'm sorry, where did you get your gaming designing degree that allows you to judge professional game designers that have been making games for years?

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Fluttershy
05/26/23 8:50:19 AM
#143:


lmao sirlin found current events

to be clear it doesn't matter where criticism like this comes from if it rings true

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viewmaster_pi
05/26/23 8:50:19 AM
#144:


Psuedo_Audacity posted...
Lol, so several users who haven't played the game
i was referring to you, lol

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Psuedo_Audacity
05/26/23 8:52:00 AM
#145:


viewmaster_pi posted...
i was referring to you, lol

The other dude has clearly not played the game lol.

You were a toss up, but the sentence construction was ambiguous.
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viewmaster_pi
05/26/23 8:52:46 AM
#146:


ViewtifulJoe posted...
Quickfire interview.
Is this taking a significant toll on your overall opinion of the game?
Was there a number out of 100 that's steadily decreasing?
honestly yeah, this stuff adds up, and the fact that it's totally pointless in the end just stings that much more. good cost vs reward balance is crucial, and after two outings in this open world zelda format, i'm seeing how out of their element they are in trying to tackle a "skyrim inspired" approach to sort of RPG-ifying zelda

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Fluttershy
05/26/23 8:53:08 AM
#147:


The other dude has clearly not played the game lol.

i mean, my first words in this topic specifically about this game were that i didn't know about it. i know who not to try driving any trucks past.

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Drrobotniks
05/26/23 8:57:27 AM
#148:


People still responding to vulpine? Dudes a self established troll
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viewmaster_pi
05/26/23 8:59:57 AM
#149:


okay, example:
barbarian set, great armor, good set bonus, incentive to upgrade

6 normal lynels required for tier 2, 9 blue lynels for tier 3, another 9 fucking white lynels for tier 4. this is absurd. unreasonable. not to mention a serious resource drain, as even the mid-level blue lynel will take a major beating from high tier weapons before it goes down.

now consider that lynels have set spawn locations. they do not wander, and you will not encounter them in your natural organic moment-to-moment gameplay. you have to mark their locations, set custom fast travel marks, and grind them one by one, but of course not until each new blood moon rises to respawn them.

just... give me a fucking break! i guess if you maybe copy the stupid laser robots from youtubers, that could help, but this all just completely disrupts the experience, and the ridiculous things people build totally violate the spirit of the game, but that's a discussion no one's ready for yet, lol

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Fluttershy
05/26/23 9:05:52 AM
#150:


i was in another discussion about this type of thing and there was a lot of want for an unbreakable but not-that-strong weapon. i wonder if there are infinite/alternate methods of attack, like i haven't heard anything about there being any type of limit on the magic.

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