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Block_that_Kick
05/25/23 4:11:09 PM
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Just got this email from Uber as I am a driver with them. By premium products I assume that means Uber Black will be the only available option, and few drivers can afford the vehicles required to meet the qualification.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/3/1/AADYzzAAEgoX.jpg

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Were_Wyrm
05/25/23 4:12:13 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0BTdo6qGwo

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DeepFriedSquid
05/25/23 4:13:54 PM
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Uber, Lyft, Airbnb, Fiverr, all that shit is GARBAGE. They are PARASITES. Enough of this gig worker bullshit with zero benefits or worker protections
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Fluttershy
05/25/23 4:14:24 PM
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look at what they did to your username

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CE_gonna_CE
05/25/23 4:14:58 PM
#5:


To the surprise of no one

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MaxEffingBemis
05/25/23 4:16:07 PM
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Fuck Uber

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famfam
05/25/23 4:16:49 PM
#7:


fair, next
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eggcorn
05/25/23 4:18:02 PM
#8:


Oh no

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Jerry_Hellyeah
05/25/23 4:19:57 PM
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I still dont understand how it's legal. It clearly hasnt been ridesharing for a while.

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ai123
05/25/23 4:20:21 PM
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So Uber is admitting that their business model is untenable if they pay drivers a fair amount and give them some basic employment protection?

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voldothegr8
05/25/23 4:20:47 PM
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DeepFriedSquid posted...
Uber, Lyft, Airbnb, Fiverr, all that shit is GARBAGE. They are PARASITES. Enough of this gig worker bullshit with zero benefits or worker protections
The whole purpose of taking up gig work is to avoid the ball and chain of an employer. You get paid on your time but get no benefits. A lot of people find that ideal, but fuck them right?

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Kloe_Rinz
05/25/23 4:25:23 PM
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Jerry_Hellyeah posted...
I still dont understand how it's legal. It clearly hasnt been ridesharing for a while.
It was never ridesharing
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Kloe_Rinz
05/25/23 4:26:26 PM
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voldothegr8 posted...
The whole purpose of taking up gig work is to avoid the ball and chain of an employer. You get paid on your time but get no benefits. A lot of people find that ideal, but fuck them right?
Fuck any company that wont pay its employees a livable wage. Theres nothing convincing you can say in Ubers defence
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DrizztLink
05/25/23 4:27:15 PM
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voldothegr8 posted...
The whole purpose of taking up gig work is to avoid the ball and chain of an employer. You get paid on your time but get no benefits. A lot of people find that ideal, but fuck them right?
"please step on me daddy corpo"

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Questionmarktarius
05/25/23 4:29:30 PM
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Were anyone viably able to sharpie "Bob's ride service!" on the side of a car and start driving people around, Uber wouldn't need to exist.
Unfortunately, we live in a reality where Bob has pay a bucket of fees and fill out asstons of paperwork.
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Darkraiomb
05/25/23 4:33:47 PM
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Oh no!

Anyway, just take a taxi. Problem = solved.

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iPhone_7
05/25/23 4:33:58 PM
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The taxi companies send their regards

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WTGHookshot
05/25/23 4:36:44 PM
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Kloe_Rinz posted...

Fuck any company that wont pay its employees a livable wage. Theres nothing convincing you can say in Ubers defence

That poster is not talking specifically about Uber, though. They are talking about gig workers in general.

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Kloe_Rinz
05/25/23 4:37:31 PM
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WTGHookshot posted...
That poster is not talking specifically about Uber, though. They are talking about gig workers in general.
Dont care, he has no convincing argument nonetheless
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Jagr_68
05/25/23 4:39:20 PM
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ai123 posted...
So Uber is admitting that their business model is untenable if they pay drivers a fair amount and give them some basic employment protection?

Almost like that was their gameplan all along until people finally got sick of their shit.

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Questionmarktarius
05/25/23 4:39:33 PM
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Kloe_Rinz posted...
Dont care, he has no convincing argument nonetheless
So... we're now expected to pay a living wage and open a 401k for the kid who mows the lawn every other week?
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Bandit_Keith
05/25/23 4:41:07 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...

So... we're now expected to pay a living wage and open a 401k for the kid who mows the lawn every other week?

How is that kid a company?

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TheGoldenEel
05/25/23 4:41:24 PM
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Darkraiomb posted...
Oh no!

Anyway, just take a taxi. Problem = solved.
Uber has successfully put a bunch of taxi companies out of business

we are down to two cab companies in my city from four a few years ago

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Kloe_Rinz
05/25/23 4:42:47 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
So... we're now expected to pay a living wage and open a 401k for the kid who mows the lawn every other week?
Why are you hiring kids to perform labour? Is it because an adult would cost too much?
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Jagr_68
05/25/23 4:43:46 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


Those companies were ran by equally shitty people too albeit with smaller pockets.

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Block_that_Kick
05/25/23 4:44:08 PM
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Heres a screenshot of what I made last weekend. I dont know how other drivers operate, but $38 an hour (after taxes and gas its about $29 an hour) to me is not bad at all for a job where you are not required to have set hours.

But like I said, maybe this fight is worth it for other drivers. I cant speak for them.

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Questionmarktarius
05/25/23 4:44:10 PM
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Bandit_Keith posted...
How is that kid a company?
That's your takeaway, huh?

Uber is just a middleman, or pimp at worst. If anything, it'll restructure itself to be even more a middleman.
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iPhone_7
05/25/23 4:45:57 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Because they never bothered to modernized and focused their attention on combating Uber & others entering the market.

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WTGHookshot
05/25/23 4:50:59 PM
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Bandit_Keith posted...


How is that kid a company?

...the kid isn't a company. But DeepFriedSquid didn't state "companies = bad." They said "Enough of this gig worker bulls*** with zero benefits or worker protections."

A kid mowing a lawn is still a gig worker. That kid has zero benefits or worker protections.

My response is aimed at looking to ban gig working (which is what was said), not at looking to ban gig working companies like Uber or Doordash or similar (which isn't what the initial comment from DeepFriedSquid was).

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Anarchy_Juiblex
05/25/23 4:55:34 PM
#32:


Okay.

Uber never should have turned into a taxi service and stayed a system for easily organizing sharing of rides.

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Questionmarktarius
05/25/23 4:57:53 PM
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WTGHookshot posted...
A kid mowing a lawn is still a gig worker. That kid has zero benefits or worker protections.
Yes, exactly.

Block_that_Kick posted...
But like I said, maybe this fight is worth it for other drivers. I cant speak for them.
Much like youtube, everyone sees someone with a side-hustle on Lyft/Uber bring in a pile of money for what looks like easy work, and somehow believes it can be a viable career.
When that doesn't work out, rather than do something else, the usual course of action is to complain loudly, usually with the financial backing of whatever industry was "disrupted" by whatever.

That "fans" site is next.

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Uber never should have turned into a taxi service and stayed a system for easily organizing sharing of rides.
ooooo. also this.
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Kloe_Rinz
05/25/23 4:58:40 PM
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Bandit_Keith
05/25/23 5:01:53 PM
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WTGHookshot posted...
Bandit_Keith posted...
How is that kid a company?

...the kid isn't a company. But DeepFriedSquid didn't state "companies = bad." They said "Enough of this gig worker bulls*** with zero benefits or worker protections."

A kid mowing a lawn is still a gig worker. That kid has zero benefits or worker protections.

My response is aimed at looking to ban gig working (which is what was said), not at looking to ban gig working companies like Uber or Doordash or similar (which isn't what the initial comment from DeepFriedSquid was).

No. A kid mowing lawns is not a gig worker. Unless you are mowing lawns for a company on the side. Gig Work as a term is about independent contractors working for a company. It's not just any odd job you can do.

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Payzmaykr
05/25/23 5:03:03 PM
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I assume that this bill is something that forces them to treat their workers like human beings and pay them a living wage, at the cost of a tiny percent of their profit? These businesses were clearly nothing but a cash grab from the start and Im happy to say that Ive never given any of them my business.
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Kai_Laguna
05/25/23 5:03:53 PM
#39:


Reminder that uber and lyft dropped somewhere around 100 million here in California to get away with not paying their workers a fair wage.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
05/25/23 5:06:33 PM
#40:


Is there any other employer that pays you 75% of the revenue you generate?

Uber's take is only 25%. Honestly, I think it's fair to say they're not an employer and more of an agent, they just connect you with clients. Maybe that fee should even lower but the system here is fucked.

Anyways, fund public transit to the extent we should and then who the fuck cares about ridesharing.

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thronedfire2
05/25/23 5:07:49 PM
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WTGHookshot posted...
...the kid isn't a company. But DeepFriedSquid didn't state "companies = bad." They said "Enough of this gig worker bulls*** with zero benefits or worker protections."

A kid mowing a lawn is still a gig worker. That kid has zero benefits or worker protections.

My response is aimed at looking to ban gig working (which is what was said), not at looking to ban gig working companies like Uber or Doordash or similar (which isn't what the initial comment from DeepFriedSquid was).

you can't ban gig working entirely though unless you want to do things like kill the entire music industry

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Block_that_Kick
05/25/23 5:11:08 PM
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Payzmaykr posted...
I assume that this bill is something that forces them to treat their workers like human beings and pay them a living wage, at the cost of a tiny percent of their profit? These businesses were clearly nothing but a cash grab from the start and Im happy to say that Ive never given any of them my business.

It doesnt make them employees or provide the drivers with any other benefits like retirement or insurance. What it does is set a minimum per mile and minute wage and it makes Uber and Lyft provide much more documentation on when they choose to fire a driver.

Also, Uber has never turned a profit. In FYE 2022 they brought in $31.8 billion in revenue and still took a $9.1 billion loss.

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thronedfire2
05/25/23 5:13:28 PM
#43:


Block_that_Kick posted...
It doesnt make them employees or provide the drivers with any other benefits like retirement or insurance. What it does is set a minimum per mile and minute wage and it makes Uber and Lyft provide much more documentation on when they choose to fire a driver.

Also, Uber has never turned a profit. In FYE 2022 they brought in $31.8 billion in revenue and still took a $9.1 billion loss.

how is that even possible

too much money on advertising and overpaying people?

edit: by people I meant office people obviously not the drivers

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ScazarMeltex
05/25/23 5:15:30 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
how is that even possible

too much money on advertising and overpaying people?
Their business model was never profitable and is only being kept afloat by investors.

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Doom_Art
05/25/23 5:15:36 PM
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voldothegr8 posted...
The whole purpose of taking up gig work is to avoid the ball and chain of an employer. You get paid on your time but get no benefits. A lot of people find that ideal, but fuck them right?


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Questionmarktarius
05/25/23 5:15:51 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
how is that even possible
Haven't run out of venture capital cows to milk yet, probably.
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TheGoldenEel
05/25/23 5:17:53 PM
#47:


thronedfire2 posted...
how is that even possible

too much money on advertising and overpaying people?
Their business model is the whole big tech idea of disruption

i.e. eventually the goal is to just put cab companies out of business until they have so much of the market that people rely on them and they can jack up the price and/or slash costs

the Netflix model, essentially

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Block_that_Kick
05/25/23 5:18:44 PM
#48:


thronedfire2 posted...
how is that even possible

too much money on advertising and overpaying people?

Heres the income statement from their last fiscal year.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/6/6/AADYzzAAEgo6.jpg

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WTGHookshot
05/25/23 5:19:03 PM
#49:


Kloe_Rinz posted...

Why are you hiring kids to perform labour? Is it because an adult would cost too much?

To do things like lawn work and babysitting and other small jobs like that? Yes, to me, hiring an adult usually does cost too much (at least from a "worth" standpoint). I can do all of that for free for myself. The few bucks for the kid is to save time... But spending more for an adult to do that just isn't worth it. It'd be like paying someone to bring my groceries to the car from the store, when I can just do it for free myself.

If it wasn't for adults hiring kids to do that type of stuff, I would have never had any money as a kid to buy games and stuff, outside of money from Christmas and birthday gifts.

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Prismsblade
05/25/23 5:20:15 PM
#50:


Is all this effort to change Uber really worth it over just telling its drivers to get another job?

If they refuse then that's entirely on them and their decision as grown adults. Virtue fighters trying to champion for them at that point is just ridiculous.

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