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The_shibe
05/25/23 9:22:24 PM
#255:


Tenlaar posted...
Im not a conservative. Please dont lie about my beliefs.

funny how everyone lies about tenlaar's beliefs, according to tenlaar.

it's almost as if saying "I don't defend any alt-right cause except for this one" about every single alt-right cause was bound to be noticed as a pattern sometime.

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VirtuousWrath
05/25/23 9:34:22 PM
#256:


How is thinking the woman is in the right an alt-right cause?

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A_Good_Boy
05/25/23 9:36:26 PM
#257:


VirtuousWrath posted...
How is thinking the woman is in the right an alt-right cause?
If a cause becomes a sudden rallying point for the Alt-right then there's probably a racial component to the cause that you're missing.

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The_shibe
05/25/23 9:38:22 PM
#258:


VirtuousWrath posted...
How is thinking the woman is in the right an alt-right cause?

you don't know that guy's history, trust me, you don't want to associate with him

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Jennywentnorth8
05/25/23 9:54:37 PM
#259:


Why does her crying intent even matter? Fact is things didn't go her way and instead of just being a civil human being she throws a whiney ass temper tantrum clearly fake crying and screaming help just to get what she wants. That alone is enough to make me side against her on everything she ever does from now until the end of time. Absolutely disgusting

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gamepimp12
05/25/23 10:02:00 PM
#260:


So the black kids are the victims again

who would of thought the woman faking crying would be lying about the story

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A_Good_Boy
05/25/23 10:02:35 PM
#261:


You just can't fake a woman fake crying anymore these days.

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ManaYuka
05/25/23 10:06:25 PM
#262:


Shes making money off this though, over 100K. That fucking witch.

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The_shibe
05/25/23 10:29:13 PM
#263:


you know what's "funny"?

When her culpability is talked about ITT, and in the media, all sorts of proof, cross-time stamping and batman-esque detective techniques need to be used.

When her innocence is talked about ITT, and in the media, none of that is needed, it's presumed.

It's fucked up

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action52
05/29/23 3:59:05 AM
#264:


The_shibe posted...
you know what's "funny"?

When her culpability is talked about ITT, and in the media, all sorts of proof, cross-time stamping and batman-esque detective techniques need to be used.

When her innocence is talked about ITT, and in the media, none of that is needed, it's presumed.

It's fucked up
Yeah thinking people should be presumed innocent until proven guilty is SO fucked up

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Slayer_22
05/29/23 3:02:06 PM
#265:


The_shibe posted...
you know what's "funny"?

When her culpability is talked about ITT, and in the media, all sorts of proof, cross-time stamping and batman-esque detective techniques need to be used.

When her innocence is talked about ITT, and in the media, none of that is needed, it's presumed.

It's fucked up
The entire incident goes as follows:

> She was IMMEDIATELY presumed guilty, without any proof beyond her...being extremely upset, as a pregnant overworked woman.

> She had to provide PROOF THAT SHE DID NOTHING WRONG before the masses decided she wasn't in the wrong. This is after she practically lost her job.

> NOW, receipts are being provided that say that she's still in the right as a false narrative is spun attempting to say she's, once again, in the wrong when she was in the right.

The only presumptions that happened, were that she was guilty without being proven to be so. When people provide proof that they're innocent, they tend to be believed.

In this exact situation, and I'm genuinely curious here, what do you believe she should have done? Let them take the bike she paid for, or...?

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Bleuets
05/29/23 3:03:45 PM
#266:


Honestly, they both seem like awful people.
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The_shibe
05/29/23 3:28:57 PM
#267:


action52 posted...
Yeah thinking people should be presumed innocent until proven guilty is SO fucked up

ok, I gotta further break it down for @action52

When her culpability is talked about ITT, and in the media, all sorts of proof, cross-time stamping and batman-esque detective techniques need to be used.

When her innocence is talked about ITT, and in the media, none of that is needed, it's presumed.

Meanwhile,

When their innocence is talked about ITT, and in the media, all sorts of proof, cross-time stamping and batman-esque detective techniques need to be used.

When their culpability is talked about ITT, and in the media, none of that is needed, it's presumed.

Ok, clear enough bud?

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Slayer_22
05/29/23 6:13:45 PM
#268:


That makes no sense, she was presumed guilty when the video was dropped with absolutely no evidence whatsoever.

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videospirit
05/29/23 6:49:00 PM
#269:


Bleuets posted...
Honestly, they both seem like awful people.

Yeah, this was my take on the matter after the whole story came out.

Pregnant woman wanted one of the newer bikes that were in the docks but a bunch of guys were camping them. Rather than grab one of the older bikes in the first place like she ended up doing in the end she tries politely asking them to let her rent one of the bikes they're camping before growing impatient and forcing a confrontation by swiping the QR code and renting one of the bikes anyway. Some people are offended by the way she got upset and was calling for help too, but I don't really care about that aspect of the confrontation personally.

The men were abusing the rules of their payment plans to dock the bikes before they pass a 45 minute rental window and have to pay for their rides, not really an issue imo. But the dickish entitlement aspect was they felt entitled to have a claim on the bikes they docked during the gaps they weren't renting them. They also spent hours just riding around on the new bikes just for the sake of riding them and denying their use to anyone who actually needs a bike. When can't take a hint Nurse forcibly pushes through them to rent one of the newer bikes, they illegally detain the woman and prevent her from leaving with her bike, they than start recording their crime until she gives up and rents a different bike and than post it on the internet in an attempt to defame her.

Nurse started the confrontation and had no real pressing need to justify doing so, but the men escalated the hell out of it in a pretty horrific manner. Although really, the nurse was legally in the right the whole time, just rude as fuck, whereas the men were downright criminal so I sympathize more with the nurse.

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VirtuousWrath
05/29/23 6:51:25 PM
#270:


videospirit posted...
Yeah, this was my take on the matter after the whole story came out.

Pregnant woman wanted one of the newer bikes that were in the docks but a bunch of guys were camping them. Rather than grab one of the older bikes in the first place like she ended up doing in the end she tries politely asking them to let her rent one of the bikes they're camping before growing impatient and forcing a confrontation by swiping the QR code and renting one of the bikes anyway. Some people are offended by the way she got upset and was calling for help too, but I don't really care about that aspect of the confrontation personally.

The men were abusing the rules of their payment plans to dock the bikes before they pass a 45 minute rental window and have to pay for their rides, not really an issue imo. But the dickish entitlement aspect was they felt entitled to have a claim on the bikes they docked during the gaps they weren't renting them. They also spent hours just riding around on the new bikes just for the sake of riding them and denying their use to anyone who actually needs a bike. When can't take a hint Nurse forcibly pushes through them to rent one of the newer bikes, they illegally detain the woman and prevent her from leaving with her bike, they than start recording their crime until she gives up and rents a different bike and than post it on the internet in an attempt to defame her.

Nurse started the confrontation and had no real pressing need to justify doing so, but the men escalated the hell out of it in a pretty horrific manner. Although really, the nurse was legally in the right the whole time, just rude as fuck, whereas the men were downright criminal so I sympathize more with the nurse.
Good summary

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gmanthebest
05/29/23 7:24:30 PM
#271:


Has it come out that she asked for the bike? Was video of the entire confrontation released?

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CanuckCowboy
05/29/23 7:25:25 PM
#272:


I saw some shit about this and the fact that this topic isn't locked yet is not a good look for gfaqs.

Fuck that dumbass entitled bitch.

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action52
05/29/23 7:41:06 PM
#273:


The_shibe posted...
ok, I gotta further break it down for @action52

*snip*

Ok, clear enough bud?
Look, I personally was trying to hold judgement until we had the facts. I thought it could turn out to be a misunderstanding (which does not seem to be the case) or that both sides might have been wrong in some way (which does seem to be the case).

Definitely there were racists assuming those boys were coming to steal her bike and that she was just defending herself against the "thugs." Right wingers assuming the boys were criminals were all over the place, and TC was one of them.

I also saw people immediately assuming she was an obnoxious, entitled Karen and even saying things like she was trying to get those boys killed... with a lot of misogyny mixed in. One Twitter account even compared her to the lady who got Emmett Till lynched. I'm not saying they were as bad as the right wingers overall, but they were pretty bad.

videospirit posted...

Not gonna copy all that here. Good summary but I don't know if I sympathize with the nurse as much. She's the adult so I think she has more of a responsibility to control her temper, though I understand it can be hard when you're exhausted and in a terrible mood. Swiping the card was a very dickish, passive aggressive move. Then it seems she panicked as her little stunt backfired on her and she realized the kid could just ride off on the bike and she'd have to pay for it.

Fortunately for her, while those boys were jerks (in the way teenage boys typically are) they weren't thieves. And it was pretty racist of her to assume that.

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videospirit
05/29/23 7:49:05 PM
#274:


gmanthebest posted...
Has it come out that she asked for the bike? Was video of the entire confrontation released?

The version of the events that the boy's mother released said that she first tried asking some of the boys if she could rent the bike they were guarding, they told her "No we're going to be leaving on it soon". She tried asking a few of them, and than when the first 3 or 4 refused her she went and swiped a bike that she hadn't asked about.

I'm not certain what the woman's version of events was.

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DnDer
05/29/23 9:05:24 PM
#275:


videospirit posted...
Some people are offended by the way she got upset and was calling for help too, but I don't really care about that aspect of the confrontation personally.

You should. Regardless of everything else, he behavior was incredibly dangerous, and she knew what could happen when she started with the shouting and fake tears.

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Slayer_22
05/30/23 2:22:36 AM
#276:


videospirit posted...
The version of the events that the boy's mother released said that she first tried asking some of the boys if she could rent the bike they were guarding, they told her "No we're going to be leaving on it soon". She tried asking a few of them, and than when the first 3 or 4 refused her she went and swiped a bike that she hadn't asked about.

I'm not certain what the woman's version of events was.
So she was innocent the entire time, according to one of their own moms?

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CSCA33
05/30/23 2:26:01 AM
#277:


CanuckCowboy posted...
I saw some shit about this and the fact that this topic isn't locked yet is not a good look for gfaqs.

Fuck that dumbass entitled bitch.
More than a few folks around here parroting racist narratives and defending the indefensible

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gmanthebest
05/30/23 5:18:34 AM
#278:


videospirit posted...
The version of the events that the boy's mother released said that she first tried asking some of the boys if she could rent the bike they were guarding, they told her "No we're going to be leaving on it soon". She tried asking a few of them, and than when the first 3 or 4 refused her she went and swiped a bike that she hadn't asked about.

I'm not certain what the woman's version of events was.
Her version is that when she got on the bike, the teens weren't nearby and came up to her after she scanned the bike and was leaving. And until video of what happened between 7:19 and 7:24 is released, it could go either way. Personally, I find her version more believable, but I'll change sides if it comes out she pushed him off the bike after asking.

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greenjeans
05/30/23 7:16:23 AM
#279:


CSCA33 posted...
More than a few folks around here parroting racist narratives and defending the indefensible
Wait whose side are you on here
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Solution_45
05/30/23 7:20:54 AM
#280:


videospirit posted...
Yeah, this was my take on the matter after the whole story came out.

Pregnant woman wanted one of the newer bikes that were in the docks but a bunch of guys were camping them. Rather than grab one of the older bikes in the first place like she ended up doing in the end she tries politely asking them to let her rent one of the bikes they're camping before growing impatient and forcing a confrontation by swiping the QR code and renting one of the bikes anyway. Some people are offended by the way she got upset and was calling for help too, but I don't really care about that aspect of the confrontation personally.

The men were abusing the rules of their payment plans to dock the bikes before they pass a 45 minute rental window and have to pay for their rides, not really an issue imo. But the dickish entitlement aspect was they felt entitled to have a claim on the bikes they docked during the gaps they weren't renting them. They also spent hours just riding around on the new bikes just for the sake of riding them and denying their use to anyone who actually needs a bike. When can't take a hint Nurse forcibly pushes through them to rent one of the newer bikes, they illegally detain the woman and prevent her from leaving with her bike, they than start recording their crime until she gives up and rents a different bike and than post it on the internet in an attempt to defame her.

Nurse started the confrontation and had no real pressing need to justify doing so, but the men escalated the hell out of it in a pretty horrific manner. Although really, the nurse was legally in the right the whole time, just rude as fuck, whereas the men were downright criminal so I sympathize more with the nurse.

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VirtuousWrath
05/30/23 10:18:54 AM
#281:


CSCA is here to argue an ideology and not talk about the actual events or the contents.

videospirit already laid it out in the most plain and simple terms but it doesn't align with the ideology.

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CSCA33
05/30/23 3:10:14 PM
#282:


greenjeans posted...
Wait whose side are you on here
The video and receipts show an entitled woman who wanted to take a bike from a boy when there were other bikes available nearby, and then put on a show of crocodile tears. Does that help? (I agree this thread should be deleted based on the title)

That said, I wouldve handled it differently myself but Im not a 17 year old boy, either.

VirtuousWrath posted...
CSCA is here to argue an ideology and not talk about the actual events or the contents.

videospirit already laid it out in the most plain and simple terms but it doesn't align with the ideology.
Trolling wont get you far with me, hon.

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greenjeans
05/30/23 3:20:11 PM
#283:


They were all acting entitled tbh
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NoxObscuras
05/30/23 3:24:34 PM
#284:


VirtuousWrath posted...
videospirit already laid it out in the most plain and simple terms but it doesn't align with the ideology.
Plain and simple? That was their personal take on the events. Of course people disagree, when videospirit very clearly favored the woman in that summary.

It would be different if it was a completely neutral summary. Then there would be nothing to disagree with.

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CSCA33
05/30/23 3:38:33 PM
#285:


NoxObscuras posted...
Plain and simple? That was their personal take on the events. Of course people disagree, when videospirit very clearly favored the woman in that summary.

It would be different if it was a completely neutral summary. Then there would be nothing to disagree with.
Yep and speaking of ideology, that user has a history of homophobia couched in religious beliefs too. He PMd a manifesto to numerous users about it.

And being trans is not an ideology, so idk wtf virtuouswrath is talking about.

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VirtuousWrath
05/30/23 4:10:25 PM
#286:


CSCA33 posted...
And being trans is not an ideology, so idk wtf virtuouswrath is talking about.
That's apparently obvious if you got "being trans" from that.

The ideology is simple, it's that this woman was full of "white entitlement" (as I've seen it called in this topic) and wanted to get those young boys killed by calling for help and/or the police (as I've also seen in this topic).

videospirit and InfinityMonster have already laid it all out. Kids wanna abuse a system to get free rides, tired pregnant lady isn't putting up with that nonsense, conflict ensues.

Fundamentally, both parties are at fault but in general, yeah, they should've just let the woman have it and people attacking her so vehemently are doing so because they wanna posture their virtue.

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CSCA33
05/30/23 4:20:22 PM
#287:


VirtuousWrath posted...
That's apparently obvious if you got "being trans" from that.

The ideology is simple, it's that this woman was full of "white entitlement" (as I've seen it called in this topic) and wanted to get those young boys killed by calling for help and/or the police (as I've also seen in this topic).

videospirit and InfinityMonster have already laid it all out. Kids wanna abuse a system to get free rides, tired pregnant lady isn't putting up with that nonsense, conflict ensues.

Fundamentally, both parties are at fault but in general, yeah, they should've just let the woman have it and people attacking her so vehemently are doing so because they wanna posture their virtue.
Not sure what that has to do with me, but okay I guess? I never said she was trying to murder them. Those were crocodile tears though.

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BurmesePenguin
05/30/23 4:28:12 PM
#288:


Some 261 folk needs to drop the deeds on this CSCA joke account

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CSCA33
05/30/23 4:37:30 PM
#289:


BurmesePenguin posted...
Some 261 folk needs to drop the deeds on this CSCA joke account
Thats cute. I see some folks are still desperately grasping at straws with milquetoast deflections because they arent accustomed to pushback for espousing bigotry, twisting themselves into knots to misrepresent the truth.

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BurmesePenguin
05/30/23 4:42:44 PM
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No I just think you have to be a joke account to get "you're calling my gender identity an ideology" from someone commenting on the things you say in a topic that at no point has related to gender identity.

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VirtuousWrath
05/30/23 5:02:57 PM
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because they arent accustomed to pushback for espousing bigotry, twisting themselves into knots to misrepresent the truth.
See, this is part of what I'm talking about with The Ideology.

It's that, if you take the woman's side, it's because she's white and you have an anti-black agenda.

Even the idea that we know "the truth" in this scenario is easy to contest. We only know what we've been fed so all understanding is circumstantial at best.

It's normally fun on CE to debate these things but I think the problem is, people start taking their own bullshit seriously.

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CSCA33
05/30/23 5:03:14 PM
#292:


BurmesePenguin posted...
No I just think you have to be a joke account to get "you're calling my gender identity an ideology" from someone commenting on the things you say in a topic that at no point has related to gender identity.
Thats because a handful of bad faith posters were dog piling in the other thread about that, and the tag fits for them.

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CSCA33
05/30/23 5:06:11 PM
#293:


VirtuousWrath posted...
See, this is part of what I'm talking about with The Ideology.

It's that, if you take the woman's side, it's because she's white and you have an anti-black agenda.

Even the idea that we know "the truth" in this scenario is easy to contest. We only know what we've been fed so all understanding is circumstantial at best.

It's normally fun on CE to debate these things but I think the problem is, people start taking their own bullshit seriously.
You seem to be talking past me because I wasnt referring to the incident about the bike, this happened in another thread about a different topic and some of them apparently feel the urge to follow me into other threads about it now.

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R1masher
05/31/23 1:45:14 AM
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CSCA33 posted...
Yep and speaking of ideology, that user has a history of homophobia couched in religious beliefs too. He PMd a manifesto to numerous users about it.

And being trans is not an ideology, so idk wtf virtuouswrath is talking about.

CSCA33 posted...
You seem to be talking past me because I wasnt referring to the incident about the bike, this happened in another thread about a different topic and some of them apparently feel the urge to follow me into other threads about it now.


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