Poll of the Day > Ah, the most frustrating part of roguelikes.

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keyblader1985
04/28/23 9:28:26 PM
#1:


I just went into a dungeon with my best equipment. Saved and quit, then backed up my save. Loaded the game up again... and stuck on the loading screen. Sat there for over an hour with no luck.

The fact that I backed up this screwed up save is the worst part. The only way to get the game to load is to let it fail loading, then reset - in which case I lose all the items I had on me.

*meant to say roguelites in the title, lest anyone have a fit.

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agesboy
04/28/23 9:35:58 PM
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sounds like a pretty shitty roguelite tbh. i would cheat engine back whatever i had if a game's technical difficulties fucked me over

edit: lol just remembered cheat engine saved my cult of the lamb run by cheating my hp to 0 so i could die in a boss fight, when it glitched out and the boss stopped attacking (and wasn't attackable)

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keyblader1985
04/28/23 9:47:55 PM
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I've never had a problem with the game before now (or even heard of anyone having this problem), and I've been playing for several months. It came out of nowhere.

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Yellow
04/28/23 9:51:08 PM
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Before you delete anything

Go to the Steam support forums.
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ConfusedTorchic
04/28/23 9:52:25 PM
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what game

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keyblader1985
04/28/23 10:03:27 PM
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Omega Labyrinth Life. I'm playing on Switch.

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ConfusedTorchic
04/28/23 10:09:41 PM
#8:


oh

i've seen that game on pixelshop, but the four preview images didn't really show what the hell the game was


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keyblader1985
04/28/23 10:28:21 PM
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It's a very typical game of the genre; just with a good bit of ecchi stuff thrown in (most of it is skippable).

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Yellow
04/28/23 11:41:54 PM
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keyblader1985 posted...
Omega Labyrinth Life. I'm playing on Switch.
Oh, good luck fixing that.
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Yellow
04/29/23 2:55:45 AM
#11:


If you're really committed you can extract your save file by hacking your switch and modify it.

Most likely it's some weird binary format, but on the off chance it's JSON or XML you can fix it. I'm not buying the game on steam to find out. :P

Unless you want to go on a hacking adventure with me and reverse engineer the save. There's always a way, it's just how much effort you're willing to put in.
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GanonsSpirit
04/29/23 7:27:48 AM
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The most frustrating part of roguelikes is that one corrupted a save file?

That can happen in a game of any genre.

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keyblader1985
04/29/23 8:37:34 AM
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^Something going wrong outside of the game that ruins your run and costs you everything you're carrying.

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keyblader1985
04/29/23 5:48:36 PM
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It turns out the problem was sort of my fault, or at least was caused by my actions. I was experimenting with a previously undiscovered glitch that I found at the time. It seems that saving and quitting while you have a certain item that's not supposed to be in your inventory, will crash your dungeon run. (Weirdly enough, it's okay outside of a dungeon.)

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VampireCoyote
04/29/23 6:27:28 PM
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This is not an issue I have encountered with roguelikes and I play a lot of them

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Warrax
05/01/23 11:24:33 AM
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This has nothing to do with Roguelike games...
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keyblader1985
05/01/23 11:59:18 AM
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keyblader1985 posted...
Something going wrong outside of the game that ruins your run and costs you everything you're carrying.
I don't think that happens in any genre other than roguelites. Other games if you lose a save you just lose some progress. In roguelites it costs you everything you have, even if you had it before.

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ConfusedTorchic
05/03/23 1:17:55 PM
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if you lose a save you lose everything too, unless it's an always online type game in which case you don't even typically get a traditional save you can manage

when my switch's card died i lost everything dude

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Revelation34
05/03/23 1:29:45 PM
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ConfusedTorchic posted...
if you lose a save you lose everything too, unless it's an always online type game in which case you don't even typically get a traditional save you can manage

when my switch's card died i lost everything dude


Isn't there cloud saves on the Switch?

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keyblader1985
05/03/23 2:14:08 PM
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Yes, but that requires an online subscription. If you don't have that then you're screwed.

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Alpha_MaIe
05/03/23 3:14:51 PM
#21:


You still havent specified how losing a save in a roguelite is different to losing a save in another game other than you deliberately making it sound worse for a roguelite even though it was through your own incompetence.
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keyblader1985
05/03/23 4:01:29 PM
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So did you miss post #13 or is your reading comprehension just terrible?

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Lokarin
05/03/23 4:29:09 PM
#23:


actually ya, i don't get it either... losing 80 hours of one game vs. losing 80 hours of another game?

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agesboy
05/03/23 4:46:43 PM
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i mean, save corruption happens in every genre

if the roguelike is ironman, you should beef with the whole ironman concept, not the roguelike part

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keyblader1985
05/03/23 5:17:26 PM
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Do you guys just not understand how roguelites work then? There's no other genre in which losing progress (by which I don't mean losing the whole save entirely) also means losing everything you have, even things you still had BEFORE you saved.

You equip yourself and start a dungeon run in an RPG and lose progress, you just go back to before you started the run, with all the equipment you had at the time. Sucks, but all you really lost is the time spent or items gained in the dungeon.

You equip yourself start a run in a roguelite and lose progress, you're sent back to base - except without ANY of the equipment you had on you. You've got to get yourself some brand new equipment and anything else you were carrying, because that's all gone.

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agesboy
05/03/23 5:27:15 PM
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a crash won't rob you of progress in risk of rain 2, cult of the lamb, vampire survivors, or hades. it'll just revert you back to your last save, which was the beginning of the previous run, probably

again, beef with the forced ironman concept

keyblader1985 posted...
There's no other genre in which losing progress (by which I don't mean losing the whole save entirely) also means losing everything you have, even things you still had BEFORE you saved.
MMOs, or literally anything online?

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LinkPizza
05/03/23 5:35:37 PM
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I think I get it. Especially if you had good equipment and had a good run going Its different than just losing all progress from a regular game With a regular game, I could get back to the same spot eventually With a Roguelikes or Roguelites, you probably wont unless you know the seed and can get the same stuff again But using a specific seed sometimes disabled other things

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keyblader1985
05/03/23 5:37:17 PM
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Every Mystery Dungeon type game I've played is like this. A lot of the action roguelites that aren't turn based are exceptions.

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shadowsword87
05/03/23 5:44:54 PM
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keyblader1985 posted...
Do you guys just not understand how roguelites work then? There's no other genre in which losing progress (by which I don't mean losing the whole save entirely) also means losing everything you have, even things you still had BEFORE you saved.

You equip yourself and start a dungeon run in an RPG and lose progress, you just go back to before you started the run, with all the equipment you had at the time. Sucks, but all you really lost is the time spent or items gained in the dungeon.

You equip yourself start a run in a roguelite and lose progress, you're sent back to base - except without ANY of the equipment you had on you. You've got to get yourself some brand new equipment and anything else you were carrying, because that's all gone.

Yes my brother, that's the fun.
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LinkPizza
05/03/23 5:46:41 PM
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shadowsword87 posted...
Yes my brother, that's the fun.
Losing is fun.

Even if losing is fun, thats different than losing a save

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shadowsword87
05/03/23 5:51:47 PM
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That's punishment for save scumming in a roguelike.
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LinkPizza
05/03/23 5:52:56 PM
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shadowsword87 posted...
That's punishment for save scumming in a roguelike.

Maybe Though, it sounds like it wouldnt have worked for a regular save, either Which is still problem

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Lokarin
05/03/23 6:04:21 PM
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oh, i get it now... you don't mean a total file wipe, just loss of RECENT progress

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keyblader1985
05/03/23 6:07:26 PM
#34:


Have you guys really never played a Mystery Dungeon game before? How does nobody get this?

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agesboy
05/03/23 6:11:15 PM
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have you ever played rogue? you know, the rogue part of roguelite?

the genre doesn't inherently specify how it's more lenient

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LinkPizza
05/03/23 6:12:21 PM
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keyblader1985 posted...
Have you guys really never played a Mystery Dungeon game before? How does nobody get this?

I have, but its been a while. My roommate plays it all the time, though

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Lokarin
05/03/23 6:20:36 PM
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keyblader1985 posted...
Have you guys really never played a Mystery Dungeon game before? How does nobody get this?

i play a TON of roguelikes and roguelites, but I don't play the Mystery Dungeon clones... I hate those

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keyblader1985
05/03/23 6:44:11 PM
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shadowsword87 posted...
That's punishment for save scumming in a roguelike.
It literally has nothing to do with save scumming.

Plain English. Lose progress in a regular game and you just rewind. Lose progress in a Mystery Dungeon game and you lose everything you had on you BEFORE you walked into the dungeon.

Any items you kept in storage (not on your person) are okay. But everything you decided to go INTO the dungeon with is gone forever. In this case it was my best equipment because it was an endgame dungeon.

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ConfusedTorchic
05/03/23 7:08:27 PM
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keyblader1985 posted...
Yes, but that requires an online subscription. If you don't have that then you're screwed.
and it's not even supported in all games

you can't do it with pokemon, animal crossing, or Luigi's mansion, and that's just the ones I know firsthand

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keyblader1985
05/03/23 7:10:28 PM
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I get the others, but why Luigi's Mansion?

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ConfusedTorchic
05/03/23 7:12:19 PM
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beats me, couldn't even transfer that save over when I got a new switch either

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keyblader1985
05/03/23 7:19:05 PM
#42:


agesboy posted...
have you ever played rogue? you know, the rogue part of roguelite?

the genre doesn't inherently specify how it's more lenient
I have no idea what you mean by this. To answer your question, no I have not played the original Rogue.

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keyblader1985
05/15/23 10:47:19 PM
#43:


Just ran into a different glitch that froze the game. I'd be upset if I hadn't backed up my save before.

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fettster777
05/18/23 5:36:06 PM
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I thought it was dying and then having to completely start over.
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keyblader1985
05/23/23 11:14:46 PM
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That's roguelikes. I was talking about roguelites.

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ConfusedTorchic
05/24/23 3:25:43 AM
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i want hades 2


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