Board 8 > Nook's FF Topic [FF16 hype] [Series Ranking]

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04/26/23 12:23:00 PM
#202:


Yeah the way they handled sephiroth is definitely less than ideal. Doesn't stop me from enjoying the game but I do wish they drew it out more. I see where they are coming from in terms of wanting part 1 to feel "complete" but like...nobody is asking for that.

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scarletspeed7
04/26/23 1:02:45 PM
#203:


The climax of the game and the usage of Sephiroth was just so asinine that it honestly bumped the game down in quality a full letter grade for me. That was a bungling of an ending so bad that it burned.

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skullbone
04/26/23 1:25:28 PM
#204:


Yeah I'd agree they didn't need to shoehorn in Sephiroth as much as they did. They could have made a cool highway fight with Roche the finally or something.

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FFDragon
04/26/23 1:43:57 PM
#205:


I liked the ending sequence a lot more when I thought you were fighting a version of your own party from the original game stuck in the loop and not the dingledorks from Advent Children.

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TomNook7
04/26/23 2:00:02 PM
#206:


I mean, youre talking to the guy who just gave NES FF1 a 8.3/10 in 2023.

lol btw, these ratings are based are how they were at the time.

#11. Final Fantasy XI

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I was such a hardcore FF fan by 2002, I just had to pick up the giant FF11 bundle that came with a Ps2 hard drive with an ethernet port (which is still on my Ps2 to this day). Yup, I played this for like 6 months when it first came out, and haven't played it since, so this ranking is based on that.

I understand that FF11 has improved significantly in the last 20 years, and honestly, I'm considering going back and giving it another try. It's super impressive that this game is still going. And I hear the main story is pretty good too.

But back in 2002, I just remember this game being SO. HARD. FF14 has spoiled us lol.

Like, every encounter was life or death, because if you mess up and die even once, it's Level Down. And it took FOREVER to level back up.

And finding a party took forever too. 20+ minutes of just sitting around in the Valkurm Dunes hoping a White Mage pops up.

But when you finally got a good party, and everyone was playing to their full potential... nothing else like it. I remember we had to kite some of the stronger enemies back and forth. Just little tricks like that. It was great. I was in a cool linkshell. I got good at fishing and was selling stuff at the auction house.

Good times.

8.4/10 for now. It'll probably go higher when I eventually go back and revisit it.

The ranking so far
#11. FF11 - 8.4
#12. FF7R - 8.4
#13. FF1 - 8.3
#14. FF15 - 8.0
#15. DoC FF7 - 6.0
#16. FF2 - 3.5
#17. FF13 - 3.0

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TomNook7
04/26/23 8:28:50 PM
#207:


Bruh. Rangers rapid fire + ninjas dual wield = 8 fucking attacks

FF5 is so good

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KanzarisKelshen
04/26/23 8:53:52 PM
#208:


TomNook7 posted...
Bruh. Rangers rapid fire + ninjas dual wield = 8 fucking attacks

FF5 is so good

Now mix it in with Spellblade Flare to achieve Bartz's canonical limit break

A combo so potent it got canonized as his trump card in Dissidia

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BetrayedTangy
04/27/23 12:30:18 PM
#210:


UltimaterializerX posted...
The gameplay is A+ for sure, but it legitimately has no plot.

Who needs plot when you have a talking turtle sage.

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Fiop
04/27/23 12:36:40 PM
#211:


FF5 is good but also one of the FFs I have the least desire to replay. Its best asset is the gameplay + job system, but if I feel like playing a game with a job system, there's probably a new game I haven't played yet I can play instead, like the Bravely series.

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KanzarisKelshen
04/27/23 12:46:23 PM
#212:


UltimaterializerX posted...
The gameplay is A+ for sure, but it legitimately has no plot.

Nah it has a perfectly good plot. You can't say that the game with one of the two most iconic deaths in FF and probably its most famous face turn has no plot IMO

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colliding
04/27/23 1:09:43 PM
#213:


FFV definitely has a plot. It's so good that Tales of Symphonia basically stole it years later!

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MacArrowny
04/27/23 1:16:54 PM
#214:


ToS is more of an FFX copy than FFV.

And yeah V's plot is one of the weakest in the series. Definitely not what you'd play the game for.

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KanzarisKelshen
04/27/23 2:09:36 PM
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Most FF fans in America have terrible tastes, tbqh. I played all of those games and objectively speaking, only Aerith had a more shocking and devastating death. The fact it looks like you won and then it turns out Galuf is permanently dead is a massive gut punch that turns the plot way more personal than Tellah's 'I MUST AVENGE!!' or Vivi's death-by-omission in FF9's ending. Tidus' death is arguable, sure, but even in FFX itself it's heavily implied he actually reincarnated so it doesn't have the same kind of impact as a true final death. You can even see it in how the rest of the world reacts to it. Where's the reaction to Tellah's passing, compared to Galuf's? His friends mourn him, Gilgamesh gets very quiet when he finds out the old geezer is gone, and in general, it's a lot more 'real' than the other instances, bar again Aerith who did much the same thing but even harsher.

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KanzarisKelshen
04/27/23 2:59:35 PM
#219:


UltimaterializerX posted...
Your opinion is not an objective fact and we have actual measurable data on which games and which characters people care about the most.

But hey if youre playing the America sucks card, heres a poll from Japan from 2021: https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2021/03/japan_voted_on_final_fantasys_best_games_and_characters_-_do_you_agree_with_the_ranking

Galuf does not register.

Heres a poll from 2023 answered by only the most hardcore JRPG fans, because no one else is going to know or care what rpgsite is: https://www.rpgsite.net/feature/13827-the-best-final-fantasy-games-revealed-as-ranked-by-thousands-of-fans

Galuf again does not register. He quite literally got lost in translation.

IDK why you'd use a top 10 poll for evaluating this. There's a lot that renders it irrelevant (it's a popularity poll, not people picking out their most memorable moments, which would produce much different results, for one), but what we're talking about is overall impact on the people who did play a given game. Ask people how much Tellah's death resonated with them vs Galuf's and you'll get a completely different level of response. Same for Vivi's, which I guarantee doesn't even get remarked upon unless you ask people about what they thought of it (a lot of other Vivi moments would be ranked higher in people's minds for sure). Now if we talked about say...Zack's death? Yeah sure, that's more comparable in importance relative to its own game's narrative. It'd be a better example to use.

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BetrayedTangy
04/27/23 4:50:23 PM
#222:


UltimaterializerX posted...
Your personal opinion is not objective fact.

To be fair, you did try to present polls and Top 10s as an attempt to prove your subjective opinion as objective fact.

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KanzarisKelshen
04/27/23 5:17:28 PM
#224:


UltimaterializerX posted...
Dude I like FF5 but if you're trying to tell me Galuf's plot twist is a top 2 iconic thing in this series you're spouting nonsense. Like there are real tangible numbers here from representative samples, not "Ulti is talking shit lol". If the game was treated like 4 and 6 were on the SNES we'd have a discussion here, but it wasn't.

Name a death more remembered when people think about the game it's from among the numbered FFs then. I can think of one in FF7, and that's it (Zack's death is super iconic...as seen in Crisis Core, which isn't a mainline game, it's a spinoff). I guess you could make an argument for Palom and Porom in FF4, maaaaaybe? But arguing for FF9 here's like, c'mon now. FF9 is a great game, but what's remembered from it is its ruminations about death and purpose, not anyone dying. If FF2 was more well liked you could argue for something from there, too, but it's not.

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WhiteLens
04/27/23 5:24:40 PM
#225:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
I guess you could make an argument for Palom and Porom in FF4, maaaaaybe?

How in the world did you think of the twins before Tellah?

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colliding
04/27/23 5:48:53 PM
#227:


Whether or not you use a poll, "most memorable death" is always going to be somewhat subjective so that whole argument is not provable.

The initial argument was about "FFV not having a plot" which is completely wrong. This is just the perception since so few people in the U.S. played it on release.

The main party of FFV has got a braindead himbo protag, a tomboy princess, a female pirate, and an old man who is initially comic relief but is actually (spoilers). It also features the most relevant chocobo in the series. There's a sky library and steampunk stuff. It's got a big bad and an assistant bad who goes on to become FF royalty (Gilgamesh). It's got a big twist in the middle.

The plot isn't top tier but it's also a huge step above I and III. I'd probably put it over II, XV, and XIII. It's maybe better than XII, just because XII's story is told really poorly.

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KanzarisKelshen
04/27/23 5:49:12 PM
#228:


WhiteLens posted...
How in the world did you think of the twins before Tellah?

By caring way more about their deaths because they didn't have ten billion death flags around them from the start? Because they're little kids and an old man dying out of revenge hits less hard than two children sacrificing their lives so adults may live? Because you can actually try to depetrify them with a gold needle and the game accounts for that and says 'no, they're too far gone'? There's a lot of reasons their death scene hits harder than Tellah's and Cid's (which I'd also argue hits harder than Tellah's, fwiw, if only because you've known him for longer by the time he disappears and he's a more enjoyable character to begin with). Tellah's death isn't even the meanest one in his own game at all, even if it's the one that sticks.

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TomNook7
04/27/23 5:52:17 PM
#229:


10. Final Fantasy XII

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/0/7/AAK53VAAEbDv.png

I didn't really like this game when it first came out, but over the years I've warmed up to it. I guess I was disappointed because I originally went in expecting a top tier story - but little did I know where the game truly shined was it's combat and customization.

I feel like there's a handful of FF games that are misunderstood because they have better gameplay than story. FF5, FFX-2, and FF12. If you like FF, but don't care about story, then these are the games for you. And I think that's perfectly valid, and honestly these three games always seem a little underappreciated in that regard.

That said, I never finished this game on Ps2, but I do want to revisit it on Switch (I hear they sped up the combat, which that alone is a huge improvement). So look forward to that playthrough in this topic at some point.

But for now, I'm comfortable with FF12 being 8.5 territory.

The ranking so far
#10. FF12 - 8.5
#11. FF11 - 8.4
#12. FF7R - 8.4
#13. FF1 - 8.3
#14. FF15 - 8.0
#15. DoC FF7 - 6.0
#16. FF2 - 3.5
#17. FF13 - 3.0

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04/27/23 6:02:58 PM
#231:


TomNook7 posted...
but little did I know where the game truly shined was it's combat


No no no no.

FFXII's battles are not good. This was pre-Xenoblade and they hadn't figured out how to do the "offline single-party MMO" thing yet. Everything is painfully slow, and the most effective strategy for 98% of the battles is to just regular attack and heal <10%.

The story actually has a lot going for it. I think "FF as Star Wars" was actually a great way to go. They just decided to tell it almost entirely through cutscenes, which was ambitious but also means there's a lot that gets left out. And then development hell happens and Matsuno gets ousted.

Vahn does suck, but all of the cast suffer because of how little story there is. There's a lot of plot but not story, if that makes sense.

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04/27/23 6:05:26 PM
#232:


UltimaterializerX posted...
I first played 5 on the PS1, lag and all. Loved it. The plot just isnt there tho.

12 is amazing. I still think it has the best optional content of the games I played in the entire series, but 15 comes close.

play 5 again, ulti. there's more there than you remember, I think.

the best thing about 12 are definitely the hunts. Zodiac Age makes this game playable and actually somewhat enjoyable thanks to the 2x speed. the original deserves a 5/10 at most, while ZA is conceivably an 8/10 (imo of course)

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pjbasis
04/27/23 6:06:28 PM
#233:


I feel the hunts are too hard for when you first get them. But maybe I just sucked

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WhiteLens
04/27/23 6:28:18 PM
#235:


I should know better than to continue on, but because I'm currently terminally online and not right in the head like the rest of you, here goes.

KanzarisKelshen posted...
Name a death more remembered when people think about the game it's from among the numbered FFs then

You say right here asking about the general player base for Final Fantasy.

KanzarisKelshen posted...
By caring way more about their deaths because they didn't have ten billion death flags around them from the start? Because they're little kids and an old man dying out of revenge hits less hard than two children sacrificing their lives so adults may live? Because you can actually try to depetrify them with a gold needle and the game accounts for that and says 'no, they're too far gone'? There's a lot of reasons their death scene hits harder than Tellah's and Cid's (which I'd also argue hits harder than Tellah's, fwiw, if only because you've known him for longer by the time he disappears and he's a more enjoyable character to begin with). Tellah's death isn't even the meanest one in his own game at all, even if it's the one that sticks.

And then you go on about your own view, which is not what the general players think, and even admit at the end that Tellah's still is the one that people remember out of FFIV.

You're free to have your own personal takes but don't go conflating it with what the community thinks.

Yes, the scenes with the twins, Cid, and Yang are all shocker moments, but the impact is lessened when they all live in the end. I doubt people are gonna immediately think about the "sacrifices" they made when they think about the character. Much like in the real world where people aren't quick to remember the sacrifices you made in life as long as you're alive.

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LordoftheMorons
04/27/23 6:32:40 PM
#236:


Ive always liked FFVs story despite its simplicity

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04/27/23 7:04:44 PM
#237:


Most memorable deaths from each Final Fantasy:

FF1: Garland?
FF2: Josef - although I had to look this guy's name up
FF3: pass
FF4: Cid - I know it was a fakeout but this one got me the most
FF5: Galuf - The most impactful one to all FF fans objectively
FF6: Leo. HM to Cyan's wife and kid
FF7: Zolom-chan
FF8: Laguna's GF / Rinoa's mom? I need to replay this
FF9: Black Mage No. 69 or whatever
FF10: I don't think anyone dies in this one
FF11: pass
FF12: Lots of people die in this one but no one cares. Rex I guess.
FF13: Hope's mom
FF14: my bank account
FF15: Luna - more people would talk about this if the game was any good at all

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pjbasis
04/27/23 7:05:37 PM
#238:


The story feels like a nice fusion of FF1/3 theming and characters with FF4 style plot.

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KanzarisKelshen
04/27/23 7:12:35 PM
#239:




And then you go on about your own view, which is not what the general players think, and even admit at the end that Tellah's still is the one that people remember out of FFIV.

You're free to have your own personal takes but don't go conflating it with what the community thinks.

Yes, the scenes with the twins, Cid, and Yang are all shocker moments, but the impact is lessened when they all live in the end. I doubt people are gonna immediately think about the "sacrifices" they made when they think about the character. Much like in the real world where people aren't quick to remember the sacrifices you made in life as long as you're alive.

???

'The one that sticks' doesn't mean 'the one that sticks with you', it means 'the one that lasts to the end of the game'. But when I think of FF4 what I remember most is the absolutely phenomenal sequence at the end where the Main Theme plays as the world unites behind you (which of course features all the survivors specifically praying for you) and not Tellah's death. If people remembered Tellah's death moreso than that moment I'd be absolutely shocked, considering how masterfully executed it is. Tellah's death is an afterthought compared to that lynchpin moment the entire game has been leading up to.

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BetrayedTangy
04/27/23 8:03:22 PM
#241:


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FF15:

I would care about this one if they actually developed Lunafreya. This could've been an Aerith tier death.

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MZero
04/27/23 11:55:25 PM
#242:


I have to say I remember the twins and Cid P dying and can picture those scenes in my head but I completely forgot Tellah even existed, let alone that he died and I don't remember how or when he dies in the story. So I'm with Kanz there but also Galuf's death wasn't that memorable to me and definitely isn't one of the first things I think of when I think of FFV

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Isquen
04/28/23 5:32:31 AM
#243:


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Most memorable deaths from each Final Fantasy:

Ooh, I like this. Spoilers include locations, too.
1 is Garland, for sure. 2, Minwu. 3, for some reason I'm thinking Elia? 4, the Village of Mist as a whole. 5, Galuf. 6, over half the world when Kefka ascends. 7, duh, although backup points for Rufus getting crucified/the Midgar Zolom being impaled. 8, Trabia Garden. 9, Cleyra. X, I don't care about Home but Kilika came early and set a tone. X-2, the dream where Yuna is gunned down.
XI and XII, and XIII-LR I'm not familiar enough with.
13, the whole horrifying implication of basically every Ci'eth. 13-2, Serah at the end. 14, probably Ysayle not triggering any death flags for me, but Haurchefant is the most well known one. 15, Ardyn finally getting to expire.

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Isquen
04/28/23 5:35:02 AM
#244:


Side note for the death parade that occurs in XIV from above:
The whole of Shadowbringers before you arrived probably also counts, with the mutated fate of the Sin Eaters to almost all of the villain's gallery except Ran'jit. Was something lost in translation with him?

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pjbasis
04/28/23 10:09:52 AM
#246:


When I played XI, anytime I got to a cutscene I swear it would automatically end because someone in the party wanted to move on.

It's made me skeptical of mmo stories, how is it even presented if you're also meant to have a constant gameplay experience?

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pjbasis
04/28/23 10:11:51 AM
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Even people that play 3 keep forgetting Desch man.

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WhiteLens
04/28/23 11:19:29 AM
#248:


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FF3: pass

I got one, your sanity if we're talking about the 3D Remake.

But in seriousness, it'd probably be something like Aria, Desch, or Doga and Unei (and only because these 2 are referenced in Crystal Tower Alliance Raid in FFXIV).

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LuisSera
04/28/23 11:54:21 AM
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pjbasis posted...
When I played XI, anytime I got to a cutscene I swear it would automatically end because someone in the party wanted to move on.

It's made me skeptical of mmo stories, how is it even presented if you're also meant to have a constant gameplay experience?

So in XIV, for the majority of the time during the main story you're playing it like any other single-player RPG, so everything happens at your own pace. When you're partying with other players for dungeons or trials, it won't start until everyone is ready, which includes allowing first time players to view cutscenes. Those cutscenes are never that long though so people don't have to wait for too long.

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TomNook7
04/28/23 2:05:47 PM
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#9. Final Fantasy X-2

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/6/8/AAK53VAAEbOE.png

I just played through this a couple weeks ago for the first time in twenty years. I originally picked it up in 2003 when I was 13 years old, and I HATED it lol.

But now as a 33 year old, I'm like... damn this gameplay actually kinda slaps.

Theres actually a lot to like about FFX-2. They experimented with the usual formula and it actually worked - the world is opened up right at the beginning, and the story is mostly non linear, and the player can experience as much or as little as they want. And on top of all that, the choices the player makes can actually affect the story.

And the combat is just crazy good. Like, possibly the highest culmination of traditional FF combat. I like how FFX pushed shit forward by letting you switch party members mid-battle, but FFX-2 takes it a step further by removing the middle man and just straight up letting you job change mid-battle. I was constantly coming up with out of the box/broken combinations.

For example, one time my whole party got confused and used every single Ether and Elixir I had. So I trained everyone up in Black Mage to learn MP Absorb. Then any time I needed MP, I would just switch to Black Mage and back. MP became a thing of the past.

And the combat is active time, and stronger moves take longer to cast, so if a character goes down, you can start charging Curaga, and then use a Phoenix Down after which will come out faster than Curaga, and have someone back up and to 100% in no time.

Also Sphere Break is pretty great. Just putting that out there.

And people complain about how annoying the girls were, but really, it made sense that Yuna became more confident and adventurous, considering Tidus brought her out of her shell in the first game. It's nice when character arcs actually push characters forward for a sequel (unlike Cloud in Advent Children, where he somehow went backwards.)

And Paine just rolls her eyes when the other girls are acting silly. And who could complain about Rikku? It's Rikku. It's Tara Strong at her best.

And sure, the story has hiccups, and a lot of the side content and mini games are pretty dumb, and the dungeons are a bunch of nonsense, but overall really solid game on its own. And that perfect ending... just really hit me in the feels, especially seeing it for the first time 20+ years after playing FFX.

8.5

Ancient people of Spira: "lets create a machina with enough firepower to destroy the entire world and have it be controlled by piano notes"

The ranking so far
#9. FFX-2 - 8.5
#10. FF12 - 8.5
#11. FF11 - 8.4
#12. FF7R - 8.4
#13. FF1 - 8.3
#14. FF15 - 8.0
#15. DoC FF7 - 6.0
#16. FF2 - 3.5
#17. FF13 - 3.0

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pjbasis
04/28/23 2:11:57 PM
#252:


Hell yeah most fun atb game

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