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Kim_Seong-a
05/30/23 8:38:55 AM
#351:


Ran into one of the five Solfachord players in existence. That was neat.

Also found a CyberDark player who was running some unholy 60 card synchro hybrid. Thought they were just going to sit on their negate towers but then Auroradon showed up and I headed out >_>

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legendarylemur
05/31/23 2:44:04 AM
#352:


https://www.reddit.com/r/masterduel/comments/13wczbg/new_banlist_in_effect_from_june_8th/

Behold.

Well it's semi-close to what I was hoping for. I was hoping for a flat out nuke on the Ishizu stuff, but the Tear stuff getting untouched is pretty fine actually. Blue getting hit is kinda big and Elf being left alone is bizarre. However Elf is less problematic in the current context if just for the fact that

CYBERSTEIN BANNED BABY NEVER COME BACK FUCK YOU CYBERFUCK

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ToadallyAwesome
05/31/23 5:54:38 AM
#353:


legendarylemur posted...
https://www.reddit.com/r/masterduel/comments/13wczbg/new_banlist_in_effect_from_june_8th/

Behold.

Well it's semi-close to what I was hoping for. I was hoping for a flat out nuke on the Ishizu stuff, but the Tear stuff getting untouched is pretty fine actually. Blue getting hit is kinda big and Elf being left alone is bizarre. However Elf is less problematic in the current context if just for the fact that

CYBERSTEIN BANNED BABY NEVER COME BACK FUCK YOU CYBERFUCK

Im liking what Im seeing. I pretty much was waiting for this to see what to commit to. Debating on Ghoti and Dinos. I still have other decks Im keeping like Exosisters, Hero and Thundras.

But Im glad Sprite is on the way out too. Its just such a boring deck to me.

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Tennousu
05/31/23 6:40:56 AM
#354:


....why do they leave Kelbek alone??

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Kim_Seong-a
05/31/23 6:42:43 AM
#355:


Im getting 90 UR dust from this. Nice. Glad to see Stein gone.

I should probably play more Spright before they get hit more. Lowkey hoping they never ban elf because my Pendulums like being able to recycle Electrumite. >_>

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Calwings
05/31/23 9:52:54 AM
#356:


>hitting no Tearlament cards at all
>only limiting 3 of the 4 Ishizu cards (and they can just play Diviner to consistently send them to the GY anyways)
>banning Terraforming and hurting several rogue decks (and also Floowandereeze again lmao) with collateral damage instead of just banning Tear's field
>Tear is still great, meaning Bystials will see widespread play when they arrive, destroying even more rogue decks including my beloved Sky Strikers

Yeah, I think I'm done. I had low expectations, but holy fuck Konami.

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Tennousu
05/31/23 10:41:53 AM
#357:


They cannot hit Tearls because the pack is still live.

Edit: Terraforming hurts but my decks don't even use it due to searchers...except Tearl.

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Calwings
05/31/23 10:55:09 AM
#358:


Then limit that fourth Ishizu card too. Or ban some of them entirely instead of just limiting them. Or ban Fairy Tail Snow, that stupid furry little bitch that keeps jumping out of a Tearlament player's graveyard like a god damn jack in the box. Even without directly hitting a Tear card that's still in the shop, there was more they could have done and they didn't do it.

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Tennousu
05/31/23 11:16:58 AM
#359:


You know how giving UR is like an allergic move by Konami.

I mean, I could use Mudora ban + limit Kelbek (and erase Branded/Swordsoul from existence pls) but I'm not Konami.

Funnily enough, with less shufflers I think we'll see more Snow in Tearl decks because all those Tearl S/T in GY are just Snow fodders down the line.

In WCSQ surprisingly I met no Tearls who used Snow; everyone was maindecking Shaddolls/Stein/Mask II for Winda/Exterio/Dark Law.

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Lol I forgot to do the dailies.
RIP 220 gems. That could've been a Byssted draw from the pack.

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Calwings
05/31/23 1:14:12 PM
#360:


Tennousu posted...
You know how giving UR is like an allergic move by Konami.

That's usually true, but them semi-limiting Spright Blue instead of Spright Jet is the first time I can recall them hitting a UR when they had a perfectly viable and sensible non-UR alternative they could have hit.

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Kim_Seong-a
05/31/23 3:00:34 PM
#361:


Bystials have been leaked. >_>

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legendarylemur
05/31/23 4:41:15 PM
#362:


Farfa commented on how the meta won't change with this banlist. That's so wrong. Ishizus having most of their cards at 1 means if you deal with it promptly once, there are no back up shufflers, and it also reduces the chance of random mills. Blue can be cheated out pretty easily, but there's a huge difference between having Blue in hand with a lvl 2 vs. a Red/Carrot in terms of the end combo. Not starting with Blue is just far easier to stop, and you have a chance they can't have one more interruption, either a Carrot/Red, IP, or Melffy Cat/Mommy.

Branded will be able to come back cuz they were particularly weak to Ishizus in fringe cases, and now they can take up the spot that Ishizus left behind in Tear decks. Branded Ishizu Tear will probably be the best deck with Sprights 2nd, but now Exosisters will be contending for that top 3 spots.

With Bystials, they'll be ever present in basically every single deck, and Exo Bystials might end up being really powerful. The theory is that Bystial is a quick effect that activates Martha on field and turns Returnia into a 2 banish

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DocileOrangeCup
05/31/23 4:47:57 PM
#363:


I wish bystials were level 5...

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legendarylemur
05/31/23 5:18:55 PM
#364:


Same, or lvl 7s, but that'd be too broken. They aren't that compatible with PUNKs as a result, which is mostly what I care about

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Calwings
05/31/23 5:28:34 PM
#365:


legendarylemur posted...
or lvl 7s, but that'd be too broken

That's just begging for Galaxy Tomahawk and Auroradon shenanigans

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Kim_Seong-a
05/31/23 8:11:00 PM
#366:


Replay on Duel Live had a Yang Zing/Swordsoul player go into the Blackwing Tower. Thought it was prettt cool. >_>

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Tennousu
05/31/23 8:23:49 PM
#367:


Kim_Seong-a posted...
Replay on Duel Live had a Yang Zing/Swordsoul player go into the Blackwing Tower. Thought it was prettt cool. >_>

I thought Bi'an into Full Armor Master is pretty normal, 'can't out this without kaiju' tower?

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I can't really decide what to spend the month with, so I guess another streak of Ancient Warriors, this time with burn cards tacked in.

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Kim_Seong-a
05/31/23 8:46:33 PM
#368:


Tennousu posted...
I thought Bi'an into Full Armor Master is pretty normal, 'can't out this without kaiju' tower?

It might be. I'm not very familiar with Yang Zings so this is my first time seeing that line lol. Most SwSo builds I've seen only run the synchros and stick to the Tenyis for main deck combos. Last time I saw a YangZing on the ladder was months and months ago, and I think it was a Zefra build that preferred negate spam.

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Tennousu
05/31/23 9:22:27 PM
#369:


Yah, Bi'an into Full Armor Master was one of those early days 'haha lemme stall' play, albeit one that takes effort as opposed to Fossil Dyna + MMS or Waking the Dragon into Ultimate Falcon.

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Calwings
05/31/23 9:25:17 PM
#370:


Tennousu posted...
'can't out this without kaiju' tower?

https://iili.io/HrgnJj9.gif

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Kim_Seong-a
05/31/23 9:49:16 PM
#371:


Ah fuck, apparently you can't be demoted in gold anymore? What the hell is even the point of adding a new rank if you're just going to raise the floor to get there? >_>

Debating the benefits of psychological self-harm just to get the new icon frame for bragging rights.

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Tennousu
05/31/23 9:57:17 PM
#372:


Kim_Seong-a posted...
Ah fuck, apparently you can't be demoted in gold anymore?

Uh, isn't it always like that after a patch (I forgot)? Once you rank up you can't derank.

Calwings posted...
https://iili.io/HrgnJj9.gif

If they can pull Goddess uninterrupted to out unaffected/battle immune FAM then it's more of the problem in other side for having zero interruption.

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Kim_Seong-a
05/31/23 10:01:46 PM
#373:


Tennousu posted...
Uh, isn't it always like that after a patch (I forgot)? Once you rank up you can't derank.

No, I mean apparently they apply the same perma-progression to Gold as they already had to Silver and below. If you're G4, you can't go back down to G5, etc etc.

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Tennousu
05/31/23 11:08:31 PM
#374:


Kim_Seong-a posted...
No, I mean apparently they apply the same perma-progression to Gold as they already had to Silver and below. If you're G4, you can't go back down to G5, etc etc.

.....I didn't recall this previous month, tbh.

Maybe implemented right after WCSQ?

Which means Plat will be the new Gold lol.

edit: wth lol, Konami reverted the Platinum gem rewards they implemented beforehand (150 per rank up, now 100 per rank up).
Basically really enforcing Gold -> Plat is the new Silver -> Gold

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Kim_Seong-a
06/01/23 1:17:50 AM
#375:


https://www.masterduelmeta.com/articles/news/june-2023/climax-of-the-showdown-announced

Magnamhut and Druiswarm are gonna be limited. Light/Dark rogue decks aren't completely fucked it looks like

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legendarylemur
06/01/23 2:01:27 AM
#376:


Ok them coming limited is kinda ridiculous imo. They're toxic of an archetype, sure, but we didn't even get to play around with it lol

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Tennousu
06/01/23 2:39:59 AM
#377:


I was looking forward (somewhat) to use the Byssted dragons to make a semblance of Red-Eyes deck but it seems it is not needed.

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Kim_Seong-a
06/01/23 2:53:55 AM
#378:


Tennousu posted...
I was looking forward (somewhat) to use the Byssted dragons to make a semblance of Red-Eyes deck but it seems it is not needed.

I feel like they'd still be worth running in that case. Magnamhut tutors any dragon during the endphase, and can be summoned on your opponents turn

Druiswam "sends to grave" when it leaves the field and could make a nice Spheres target

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Tennousu
06/01/23 3:19:46 AM
#379:


Yeah I saw Saronir and Baldrake as well.

Lv 6 makes it easy material for Meteor Black Dragon fusion as well as Hieratic Dragon Kng of Atum.

Could definitely work.

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Though maybe this also signals more non-light/dark deck to be used.


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Calwings
06/01/23 11:54:47 AM
#380:


Kim_Seong-a posted...
https://www.masterduelmeta.com/articles/news/june-2023/climax-of-the-showdown-announced

Magnamhut and Druiswarm are gonna be limited. Light/Dark rogue decks aren't completely fucked it looks like

legendarylemur posted...
Ok them coming limited is kinda ridiculous imo. They're toxic of an archetype, sure, but we didn't even get to play around with it lol

That's good news. Those two are the main ones that decks were splashing to use as handtraps because their secondary effects were so generic. Dragon decks (especially D-Link) were abusing Magnamhut's search, and all kinds of different decks were using both of them to destroy the viability of Light/Dark decks because Magnamhut could just search for another Bystial if you weren't using other Dragons besides them.

Decks can still use the other Bystials if they're that desperate to counter Tearlaments, but Saronir and Lubellion really only help Branded decks with their other effects and Baldrake's second effect is situational and only usable either in a Light/Dark deck (that gets hurt by opposing Bystials anyways) so they're not nearly as useful as those first two. From what I can tell, these pre-hits were basically Konami's way of saying "only Branded decks get to use these at full power" because they were originally made as Branded support. Magnamhut and Druiswarm were splashed in other decks at 2-3 copies apiece before being limited to 1 in the OCG, but Branded decks only ran 1 of each anyways and ran more of Saronir and Lubellion instead.

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legendarylemur
06/01/23 1:58:34 PM
#381:


Well them being limited only really hurts the decks that actually use them actually. The rest of the Bystials all have the same old quick banish to summon condition, which means the rogue decks afraid of them are still screwed just because they exist. You'd basically need to destroy that deck entirely

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Calwings
06/01/23 3:04:40 PM
#382:


legendarylemur posted...
Well them being limited only really hurts the decks that actually use them actually. The rest of the Bystials all have the same old quick banish to summon condition, which means the rogue decks afraid of them are still screwed just because they exist. You'd basically need to destroy that deck entirely

Bystials aren't a deck of their own. Magnamhut and Druiswarm are splashable handtraps, tons of decks would be running as many copies of those two as they can solely to counter Tearlaments, and any other Light/Dark decks that need the GY would be caught in the crossfire. Magnamhut is basically an interruption that searches another interruption (though Dragon/Branded decks might use it to search a combo piece instead) so limiting it means there are less opportunities where the player essentially gets two Bystials for the price of one. Druiswarm is also two interruptions for the price of one with its second effect, which can be triggered simply by using it as material for a Synchro or Link summon on your turn after you summon it with its first effect. Limiting these two specifically helps curb the free advantage that the Bystials bring non-Dragon/Branded decks and how badly they cripple Light/Dark decks that need the GY.

The other Bystials besides those two are only one interruption outside of very specific decks or circumstances, which makes them still annoying but less powerful than the much more generic Magnamhut and Druiswarm. If decks besides Dragon/Branded decks want to devote precious deck space to these less useful and versatile Bystials (to have more than just the single copies of Magnamhut and Druiswarm) because they're that afraid of Tearlaments, then they'll be a lot less powerful than if they were allowed to max out on Magnamhut and Druiswarm. As a result, there will be at least some players who aren't willing to use the less useful Bystials and will only run the single Magnamhut and Druiswarm, which means Light/Dark decks that need the GY don't get crippled as badly as often.

Bystials are (sadly) a necessary evil right now to deal with Tearlaments, but as a whole they're terrible for the long-term health of the game because of how badly they invalidate so many decks. They, like many of the archetypes Konami released in 2022, were a mistake.

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DocileOrangeCup
06/01/23 3:24:49 PM
#383:


I love how 2 weeks after I figure out you can get the curse of dragon Fusion out for free, they bring in the incredibly busted shufflers into the game that invalidate it. then when I realized that you can use instant Fusion on it, they ban it. THEN, a month later, they're releasing a whole series of cards revolving around Quick Effect banishing of your GY.... I just want new gaia support please...

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legendarylemur
06/01/23 3:41:54 PM
#384:


Honestly Bystials are only technically sub decks used as pseudo hand traps, but compared to most subs, Bystials play 10 cards minimum, 3 pizzahut, druiswarm, lube, 1 Branded Beast. Like that's 10 cards minimum, 6~10 of the rest are other hand traps, 5~10 are generic spell/trap support.

Alba Los is also a pretty toxic card that acted as pseudo floodgate turn ender, and to play him, you add like 2-3 more names.

It's hard to say they're not really a deck of their own because they're plenty capable of finish games by themselves. They are far more powerful against decks that have light/dark fodders in the grave to the point where they're probably like 90-10 power difference between them, and it wouldn't be bizarre to say. Baldrake is even limited in OCG and is a crippling interruption basically by itself.

Saronir also adds Branded Fusion, which makes it feel a bit like Branded should just be considered a part of the archetype. They'd literally add less Branded cards than they would Bystials, so Bystials would be the main here. Like you'd have 3 Aluber (unless limited in any sense), 1~3 Albaz, 1 Comedy, up to 3 Fusions (also dependent on banlist).

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06/01/23 3:44:00 PM
#385:


DocileOrangeCup posted...
I love how 2 weeks after I figure out you can get the curse of dragon Fusion out for free, they bring in the incredibly busted shufflers into the game that invalidate it. then when I realized that you can use instant Fusion on it, they ban it. THEN, a month later, they're releasing a whole series of cards revolving around Quick Effect banishing of your GY.... I just want new gaia support please...
They need to ban the moth. The attack decreasing power of great moth is too strong for any gain fusion knight to handle. Unless you have makiu in your hands to to step the field effect of the moth.

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Kim_Seong-a
06/01/23 9:14:32 PM
#386:


I am so fucking hyped for the new Z-ARC support. Sucks that it won't be in Master Duel for a year or more.

https://youtu.be/pxk6w-17qX0

Incidentally, this video also makes me feel kind of hyped for Rescue Ace, which will probably be here in the next few months. Amazing Defenders is almost a year old now and we're burning through most of the other big releases from around that time period.

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legendarylemur
06/01/23 10:28:39 PM
#387:


Poorly posted...
They need to ban the moth. The attack decreasing power of great moth is too strong for any gain fusion knight to handle. Unless you have makiu in your hands to to step the field effect of the moth.
That's one of the most powerful cards in all of duel monsters

Kim_Seong-a posted...
I am so fucking hyped for the new Z-ARC support. Sucks that it won't be in Master Duel for a year or more.

https://youtu.be/pxk6w-17qX0

Incidentally, this video also makes me feel kind of hyped for Rescue Ace, which will probably be here in the next few months. Amazing Defenders is almost a year old now and we're burning through most of the other big releases from around that time period.
Weirdly it felt like a lot of the decks I was hyped for came to MD faster than I expected. I just need a certain Number card to make it here so I can play the Spright Nimble deck (note, not Nimble Spright as the Nimbles are the main)

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Tennousu
06/02/23 2:46:56 AM
#388:


Did Duel Trial with a going first Ancient Warriors. Sort-of-ez 3 games.

1st duel someone scooped as soon as I activated Parallel eXceed in my hand after linking DDL.

2nd duel I got walled by a Skill Drain Eldlich, who in turn also got walled by my Chain Energy thus cannot set anything nor ss Eldlich via his effect. Actually had game many turns before if I ss one more AW but somehow it escaped my mind.

3rd duel was a Traptrix, who accepted their fate after seeing Sera, alone, surrounded by buff men with beard.

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legendarylemur
06/02/23 3:35:56 AM
#389:


I've lost to D-maids who pulled out 2 Maxx Cs and 2 Ashs and hard drew Branded Fusion. That shit was dumb and I think while this format should just be canon now in MD, Maxx C still needs to get fucking banned.

See, the great thing about Maxx C being banned is that the game ruining small section of the playerbase will come out of the woodworks. They will be a severe minority

The more I think about it, the more mad I get. I just don't see why they're keeping a card that a heavy majority of the playerbase hates

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DocileOrangeCup
06/02/23 7:36:10 AM
#390:


legendarylemur posted...
I've lost to D-maids who pulled out 2 Maxx Cs and 2 Ashs and hard drew Branded Fusion. That shit was dumb and I think while this format should just be canon now in MD, Maxx C still needs to get fucking banned.

See, the great thing about Maxx C being banned is that the game ruining small section of the playerbase will come out of the woodworks. They will be a severe minority

The more I think about it, the more mad I get. I just don't see why they're keeping a card that a heavy majority of the playerbase hates
It keeps combo decks in check, like when tearlaments pop it in my standby phase when they have a full board.

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Kim_Seong-a
06/02/23 7:53:45 AM
#391:


The Duel Trial was far less degenerate than I expected. Almost makes me feel guilty for running Umi Stun as my going first deck. >_>

My going second deck was Sky Striker. God bless that dedicated Synchron player who didnt scoop after I negated Speeder. <_<

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Tennousu
06/02/23 8:52:32 AM
#392:


DocileOrangeCup posted...
It keeps combo decks in check,

Definitely, it also makes for a skilled decision making.

Like when I had to decide whether to keep L Feng's non-targeting pop or firing Maxx C, because it has to be one or the other.

Kim_Seong-a posted...
The Duel Trial was far less degenerate than I expected. Almost makes me feel guilty for running Umi Stun as my going first deck. >_>

My going second deck was Sky Striker. God bless that dedicated Synchron player who didnt scoop after I negated Speeder. <_<

You have a different going 2nd deck? :surprised:

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legendarylemur
06/02/23 5:17:29 PM
#393:


Well if it actually kept powerful decks in check, then the best decks wouldn't be Tears and Sprights, decks that summon 5+ monsters. As many have already stated many times before, the best decks actually use Maxx C even better. Sprights literally search it while also being the most spammy deck in the current meta. Tears can literally skip their own turn and lose out on nothing if you get Maxx C'd. I don't think there's any skill here. The biggest problem is that either you're playing a deck inherently immune to its effect, or you drew the out. Every other deck that needs to draw hard outs to Maxx C or it ends their turn are the ones that get weaker in reality, which is why Maxx C isn't a balancer

It's like Bystials and how they are toxic. They kill every light/dark rogue deck viability, and when L/D decks are powerful, Bystials are TOO powerful. Maxx C is them but even worse for like weirdly selective decks.

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Tennousu
06/02/23 5:24:39 PM
#394:


My post was half an /s, lol.

It's not like I like that card either. During WCSQ I lost count how many times someone fired C the moment they saw Tenki then proceed to draw the out with every draw.

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legendarylemur
06/02/23 6:22:31 PM
#395:


Oh lol yeah now I get it. But yeah, I think the most important part is that Maxx C just makes very specific decks weaker, not that it keeps strong decks in check, and that's not to mention that 3 Ash, 2 Called, 1 Crossout are also necessary. I've said that before, most players were gonna revert cutting Ash since she's still necessary for Maxx C. I think any meta where Ash is more of a healthy option rather than a necessity is a good meta. But we've never got to see that meta cuz she's a default add purely because of Maxx C.

Tasuku says he fucking hates it in Farfa's interview. I usually see in the chat cursing the jii, which is what C is in jp. I just don't understand why they refuse to ban it. I don't see why not

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Kim_Seong-a
06/04/23 1:38:24 AM
#396:


Turbo'd through Silver while practicing Tri-Brigade Spright. Oh how I have missed you, Bird Daddy.

Still dont have a high enough IQ to work its combos. Between the Spright side's level lock and the Tri side's type lock, it sort of feels like I'm playing 2 decks mashed together.

But it is really fun when you can set up Elf+Red+Carrot+Smashers+Revolt.

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Tennousu
06/04/23 2:39:38 AM
#397:


Dying to a single Ash sucks.

edit: goddamn, the fucker activated Swords of Concealing Light turning everything into facedown.

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Kim_Seong-a
06/04/23 7:44:36 AM
#398:


https://roadoftheking.com/ycsj-tokyo-2023/

Nice to see Swordsoul is still chugging along.

Mikanko in second place?! Should probably keep my eye on it when it hits Master Duel. >_>


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Tennousu
06/04/23 7:48:25 AM
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Is there any keyword that signifies inherent special summon (e.g. kaiju to our side with kaiju on the other side, ZS Ascended Sage with no cards on the field, Block Dragon revival/summon) in the effect?

I found out that the likes of Alpha Master of Beasts and The Ascended of Thunder (lol 3k LP cost) allows me to keep the number advantage for AW while keeping L Feng's non-target pop online, and being 2.5k+ beatstick is incredibly helpful.

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Kim_Seong-a
06/04/23 7:54:35 AM
#400:


Tennousu posted...
Is there any keyword that signifies inherent special summon (e.g. kaiju to our side with kaiju on the other side, ZS Ascended Sage with no cards on the field, Block Dragon revival/summon) in the effect?

Look for the colon or semi-colon. In PSCT colons specify timing/conditions for activation, and semi-colons specify cost. If there's neither, then it doesn't activate.

Compare something like Mathmech Circular to Crusadia Arboria.

But if you're looking for specific text, phrases like "you can special summon this card" and "must (first) be special summoned", etc are usually what you see

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