Current Events > What's Kathleen's vision for Star Wars?

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Is it just to give us Nostalgia for the OT?
Are we going to get any adventures from Luke and Leia? While I love the TV shows, I am not happy in the long run.

Who is she putting on to work on the Post Sequel trilogy? What happen to Kevin Feige?

I hear she canceled a lot of projects. What does she see wrong with them?

> Kathleen Kennedy
> Vision

Choose one.

MonumentValley posted...

> Kathleen Kennedy
> Vision

Choose one.

There is always a vision. When Disney bought Star Wars, it was to repeat the OT for the Sequel. Don't get me wrong, there was no detailed plans. Even if she didn't have plans now, she is smart enough to know the needs to builds detailed plans now.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/6/4/AABJX0AAEPgA.jpg

Lemme answer your question with a question what do you think her job is?

Now that we know more about what was going on at DC/WB behind the scenes, her "vision" was basically the same as pre-Gunn DC.

Which is to say approve literally anything who cares lol

s0nicfan posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/6/4/AABJX0AAEPgA.jpg

I hope Mel gets around to Spaceballs 2: The Quest for More Money after he gets done with History of the World part 2.

Doom_Art posted...

Lemme answer your question with a question what do you think her job is?

From what I see she hire the creative talent. Some of them leave, due to creative differences.

s0nicfan posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/6/4/AABJX0AAEPgA.jpg

Lol you can make shitload of money and have a direction.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Now that we know more about what was going on at DC/WB behind the scenes, her "vision" was basically the same as pre-Gunn DC.

Which is to say approve literally anything who cares lol

Well damn.

$$$$$$

omniryu posted...

From what I see she hire the creative talent. Some of them leave, due to creative differences.

President of the company

Does that strike you as a creative position?

omniryu posted...

There is always a vision. When Disney bought Star Wars, it was to repeat the OT for the Sequel. Don't get me wrong, there was no detailed plans. Even if she didn't have plans now, she is smart enough to know the needs to builds detailed plans now.

There wasn't a vision, that was the whole problem.

When Disney bought Star Wars, their "vision," if you can call it that, was to make money. They planned on handling it the way they did Marvel, handing off every movie to different directors to get a wide variety of styles; however, unlike Marvel, they didn't set any concrete plot direction, making VII through IX a flailing mess. One minute they're ripping off the OT, the next they're throwing everything out just because, then they're ripping off arguably one of the worst Legends arcs, it's all over the place. Even JJ's "mystery box" nonsense in 7 reveals that he didn't have plans moving forward, even if 7 was a ripoff of 4.

These days, the vision is a bit clearer: build a backstory to make 7 through 9 make sense. Which... sucks, because 7 through 9 are terrible movies with a terrible story, but its obviously what Bad Batch and Mandalorian are trying to do. Unfortunate; it really sours the experience of these show knowing the ultimate "payoff" is Rise of Skywalker.

Shes too reactionary. Make a plan and follow it through

If one mcu title sucks, the next could be a hit but they always keep their plan

Doom_Art posted...

President of the company

Does that strike you as a creative position?

And you know she also is an executive producer. Just like Kevin Feige who is the president of marvel studios.
She has a say in what goes in the script.

DarkBuster22904 posted...

These days, the vision is a bit clearer: build a backstory to make 7 through 9 make sense. Which... sucks, because 7 through 9 are terrible movies with a terrible story, but its obviously what Bad Batch and Mandalorian are trying to do. Unfortunate; it really sours the experience of these show knowing the ultimate "payoff" is Rise of Skywalker.

And that's the thing I have been dreading. One of my closest friend was hoping they would go through a different timeline. I just want them to skip the sequel trilogy altogether.

You know when people get those money symbols for eyes? Probably that

On a somewhat related note, one thing I CAN say about Disney's vision is that they fundamentally fault to understand who/what Luke Skywalker's character is supposed to be, and what the entire point of his arc was.

Like, the ENTIRE point of his arc in the OT was him being everything his father and the Jedi overall failed to be. Starting from the same place, with the same problems, but growing up and out of them. Making the correct choices where his father failed. Redeeming the fallen, rather than condemning them. Realizing that love and attachment are vital to the compassionate life Jedi are supposed to lead. Saving his father, and leading the future of the jedi down a better, more holistic path. Like, that was his ENTIRE purpose as a character. Yes, it makes him a bit of a "superman." But... there's nothing intrinsically wrong with that, especially qith the way the narrative is structured.

Disney was so hell bent on the modern trend of "corrupting the past" that they've basically thrown all of that out. He immediately falls into the EXACT SAME stupid dogma of the jedi of the past, drops his savior/redeemer qualities, and loses everything that made him distinct. Modern Luke barely even qualifies as a character with an arc, anymore; his entire purpose in the universe is to be a stepping stone in other people's stories (Rey's and Vader's) rather than having a story of his own.

DarkBuster22904 posted...

On a somewhat related note, one thing I CAN say about Disney's vision is that they fundamentally fault to understand who/what Luke Skywalker's character is supposed to be, and what the entire point of his arc was.

Like, the ENTIRE point of his arc in the OT was him being everything his father and the Jedi overall failed to be. Starting from the same place, with the same problems, but growing up and out of them. Making the correct choices where his father failed. Redeeming the fallen, rather than condemning them. Realizing that love and attachment are vital to the compassionate life Jedi are supposed to lead. Saving his father, and leading the future of the jedi down a better, more holistic path. Like, that was his ENTIRE purpose as a character. Yes, it makes him a bit of a "superman." But... there's nothing intrinsically wrong with that, especially qith the way the narrative is structured.

Disney was so hell bent on the modern trend of "corrupting the past" that they've basically thrown all of that out. He immediately falls into the EXACT SAME stupid dogma of the jedi of the past, drops his savior/redeemer qualities, and loses everything that made him distinct. Modern Luke barely even qualifies as a character with an arc, anymore; his entire purpose in the universe is to be a stepping stone in other people's stories (Rey's and Vader's) rather than having a story of his own.

I wholeheartedly agree with you. Mark Hamill even tries to warn us. Thus isn't Luke Skywalker. It his evil cousin Jake Skywalker. This is also why I don't have much faith in them even trying to correct it right.

omniryu posted...

She has a say in what goes in the script.

That's not really what the President of the studio or an executive producer does lol

That's kinda more in the realm of the screenwriter or director

DarkBuster22904 posted...

On a somewhat related note, one thing I CAN say about Disney's vision is that they fundamentally fault to understand who/what Luke Skywalker's character is supposed to be, and what the entire point of his arc was.

That was pretty much 100% Johnson's fault. Technically Abrams approved the script but that was mostly a formality.

Disney's only vision was "at all costs, have a new star wars movie ready by Christmas every year because we want to make star wars a new Christmas tradition"

They abandoned that idea after the movies sucked. It's hard to say who's at fault here but I find it difficult to blame Kennedy like I know some people want to. You could say that she should have pushed back against the schedule but she would have almost certainly been overruled. She wasn't writing scripts and there wasn't really a lot of time to churn through shitty scripts looking for good ones when the movies had to be ready every year.

Furthermore this isn't the only live action series that went to shit because of Disney. The pirates movies after the first one have a steady decline in quality and attempts to launch new franchises like Lone Ranger and John Carter / A Princess of Mars all failed horribly.

There's a problem at Disney and it ain't Kennedy.

The next live action project is set 100 years prior to the prequel trilogy, so I wouldn't say she's only about nostalgia.

But as far as cancelling some projects, that's what happens at major studios from time to time. It's not indicative of a lack of vision.

And they're never going to retcon the ST, so people really need to let that idea go

I don't think it's fair to compare Kathleen Kennedy & Star Wars with Kevin Feige & Marvel. They're obviously being handled differently, and it's starting to look like the Marvel formula is wearing down.

Tyranthraxus posted...

That was pretty much 100% Johnson's fault. Technically Abrams approved the script but that was mostly a formality

Yep. I personally loved the direction Johnson took things but if you have a problem with the storytelling direction or vision, then your beef is with him, Abrams, Filoni, or Favreau.

The only thing I fault the executives for is overreacting to Solo, and for Iger specifically denying Kennedy/Abrams' request for a three year gap between films in the ST instead of two.

lolife67 posted...

But as far as cancelling some projects, that's what happens at major studios from time to time. It's not indicative of a lack of vision.

And yeah people flip out over the amount of turnover/project cancelations for the franchise, but it's really not at all uncommon for a major studio lol

Smashingpmkns posted...

the Marvel formula is wearing down.

It's really not; at least, not because the formula itself is bad.

They lost the heart and soul of the franchise with Cap and Iron Man leaving. It really can't be understated how much they served as the glue holding the franchise together. And they have yet to find anyone else even remotely close to serving that role going forward. And with Scarlet Johanssen leaving, Chadwick Boswman dying, Hawkeye snowplowing himself out of the series for a while, and Hulk losing everything that made him, yknow, fun, they're basically starting over from zero. And that's NEVER a good idea.

The team dynamic surrounding the Avengers was lost at basically the exact same time, and that was carrying the franchise since 2012. The Avengers even as a concept basically don't exist anymore.

And Multiverse stories are intrinsically convoluted and stake-lowering, by their very nature, and it's altering the tone of every story it touches. Especially since it's basically being wasted as a Fanservice/Crossover gimmick, at present.

And to cap it off... I'm sorry, but there's no way Kang is ever going to live up to Thanos, and I don't think there ever really was. Especially after the killer performance Brolin turned in.

None of these are problems with the Marvel formula itself; these are problems with trying to reset an established universe back to zero after a decade of buildup. That doesn't really work.

It also doesn't help that so much of the MCU is now shown in longer form TV series, which don't get as much publicity and draw in smaller audiences. Especially when many of them are about bit characters that nobody cares about yet.

The problems plaguing Marvel right now feel very different to those hitting star wars. To me, at least

Doom_Art posted...

That's not really what the President of the studio or an executive producer does lol

That's kinda more in the realm of the screenwriter or director

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/5/7/AATsAmAAEVet.jpg
lolife67 posted...

The next live action project is set 100 years prior to the prequel trilogy, so I wouldn't say she's only about nostalgia.

But as far as cancelling some projects, that's what happens at major studios from time to time. It's not indicative of a lack of vision.

And they're never going to retcon the ST, so people really need to let that idea go

Yeah. I never submitted to that idea. My friend just couldn't accept it until a few days ago.

There was no vision, only greed

I mean they have to have one now. They can't treat star wars like a normal movie.

omniryu posted...

I mean they have to have one now. They can't treat star wars like a normal movie.

They don't.

MarcoRubio posted...

They don't.

I mean the direction of star wars went into one direction of one man, JJ Abrams. He had no plans on staying.

Hasn't starwars been taken over by Jon Favreau now?

omniryu posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/5/7/AATsAmAAEVet.jpg

https://www.masterclass.com/articles/what-is-an-executive-producer-whats-the-difference-between-an-executive-producer-and-producer

Not that I don't trust uh

"indietips.com" lol

omniryu posted...

I mean the direction of star wars went into one direction of one man, JJ Abrams. He had no plans on staying.

wut

Look I get the urge to think that the sequels were going to be amazing if Mean Lady Boss didn't ruin everything, but the real picture is a bit more complicated than all that, is all I'm saying.

Kathleen "The Force is female" Kennedy?? She's still employed?

Questionmarktarius posted...

Hasn't starwars been taken over by Jon Favreau now?

Well that was the rumor. Rumor has it that she is leaving when Indiana Jones comes out.

Doom_Art posted...

https://www.masterclass.com/articles/what-is-an-executive-producer-whats-the-difference-between-an-executive-producer-and-producer

Not that I don't trust uh

"indietips.com" lol

wut

I racked my brain to figure out who do I trust and who do I know really well and is level-headed, who understands the business side of it but also understands the creative side of it. And finally I banged into it and said, 'Oh, my God, it's Kathy.'
- George Lucas

From the wookiepedia site.

If a writer decided to suck the whole galaxy into a blackmore ending the star War universe... wouldn't you think Kathleen would turn it down? That's called a creative choice.

Doom_Art posted...

Look I get the urge to think that the sequels were going to be amazing if Mean Lady Boss didn't ruin everything, but the real picture is a bit more complicated than all that, is all I'm saying.

I am not saying she has to write a script. But she can call the shots of what they want to do in a general sense.
She chose Rian Johnson and she read the script of how they made Luke Skywalker, I mean Jake Skywalker. She chose for them to push forward with script.

Tyranthraxus posted...

I hope Mel gets around to Spaceballs 2: The Quest for More Money after he gets done with History of the World part 2.

Up until now, I would have said that John Candy's death prevented this possibility. But since Star Wars has already recast original trilogy actors living and dead, now would be the perfect time to recast Barf and joke about it.

Her only vision is that she wanted the ST to have a woman main character, that's it. The rest was of course, money and thinking the MCU formula could be grafted onto Star Wars.

The vision was to have a new Star Wars movie every year, like Marvel. Not sure what the vision is now though, since that didn't go over too well.

omniryu posted...

She chose Rian Johnson and she read the script of how they made Luke Skywalker, I mean Jake Skywalker.

oh god you're one of those people lol

never mind haha

Doom_Art posted...

oh god you're one of those people lol

never mind haha

Am I lying? Don't get me wrong. I blame JJ and Bob Iger as well.

nerdonymous's star wars apocrypha videos are cool