Poll of the Day > Why are people upset about the Tears of the Kingdom gameplay

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I loved the 3D games before SS, and definitely could not get into SS despite its merits. I liked parts of BotW. So far I'm liking the shenanigans videos for TotK, but have yet to put the money forward for it. If future Zeldas find a middle ground between the first LoZ, BotW/TotK, and OoT/MM/TP, I might be all for it.

DirtBasedSoap posted...

skyward sword is the only 3D Zelda Ive never finished despite buying the Wii and switch versions and attempting to play it like 3-4 times. shit suuuuuucks.

The motion controls make me soft

I didn't like skyward sword cuz of all the 'ok, here's the dungeon to open the dungeon to open the dungeon to open the dungeon'

https://imgur.com/Mf5DVzi

where's my fuckin yah ha ha

ConfusedTorchic posted...

https://imgur.com/Mf5DVzi

where's my fuckin yah ha ha

T h e y ' r e . i n . h i d i n g . . .

papercup posted...

Aonuma said BotW/TotK are the template for Zelda games going forward which makes me very excited, but Reddit people are like noooo this is awful, dont do this again please which I dont understand at all. Skyward Sword was absolutely horrible, I never want them to do that again.

These aren't the only two options

I'd be less skeptical if TotK did a single thing to address the shortcomings of BotW, which it didn't. They filed any complaints directly into the trashbin.

why can't we have both

an actual linear traditional zelda, but with the botw engine and flexibility

I actually enjoyed Skyward Sword. More than some of the other games I enjoyed both BotW & TotK more, though But I enjoyed these two more than most of the other ones, as well

Blightzkrieg posted...

These aren't the only two options

I'd be less skeptical if TotK did a single thing to address the shortcomings of BotW, which it didn't. They filed any complaints directly into the trashbin.

Which shortcomings?

DirtBasedSoap posted...

skyward sword is the only 3D Zelda Ive never finished despite buying the Wii and switch versions and attempting to play it like 3-4 times. shit suuuuuucks.

Skyward Sword and Twilight Princess were my favorites because I love games that other people hate apparently.

Couldn't finish Majora's mask, but I can't deny the aesthetics.

Wind Waker was the only mainstream Zelda that I didn't like.

MeatiestMeatus posted...

The motion controls make me soft

they seemed much better on the switch. the overall design of the game is the problem

Skyward Sword had really pretty concept art

and it looked beautiful in 480p 30fps!

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I meant the concept artwork, not the in-game visuals

ConfusedTorchic posted...

why can't we have both

an actual linear traditional zelda, but with the botw engine and flexibility

This is what I mean by a middle ground. The dark world in aLttP almost does this for half of it, and its would-be-remake turned sequel LBW tried its own take on it, where there is definitely a set progression in the narrative or where you need or want to go, but you can choose the order.

Like in aLttP I always leave the first dark world dungeon after getting the hammer to grab the gloves from the fourth dungeon, and then I ask myself where I want to go from there. Temper my sword, run to the ice palace, or dive into the second or third dungeon? Options!

Just like the first LoZ. You have the items to get into any dungeon? Have your pick as to where to go. But! Unlike LoZ, there's a narrative guiding you, some quests to complete, and so on.

If a future Zelda game can balance it where we can explore and do fun things in the world like TotK, collect useful items in the world more like in aLttP, and have meaningful dungeons like aLttP through TP, and do this without gimmick controls like motion controls or the DS game nonsense--I hate that mic and its implementation so much, I swear to all of the gods of all pantheons--I'd be totally for it. Drop us into the world like LoZ and BotW. Give us a compelling narrative guide. Make the major locations and enemy strongholds matter more than "lol gonna get some loot now." I know this can be done. It takes effort, and I hope the successes of BotW and TotK at least show the effort can and will be worthwhile.

Metalsonic66 posted...

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I meant the concept artwork, not the in-game visuals

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my post didnt contradict that

papercup posted...

Aonuma said BotW/TotK are the template for Zelda games going forward which makes me very excited, but Reddit people are like noooo this is awful, dont do this again please which I dont understand at all. Skyward Sword was absolutely horrible, I never want them to do that again.

I'm honestly ok with this as long as we still get top down Zeldas like the LA remake

DirtBasedSoap posted...

my post didnt contradict that

Yeah it did

Entity13 posted...

This is what I mean by a middle ground. The dark world in aLttP almost does this for half of it, and its would-be-remake turned sequel LBW tried its own take on it, where there is definitely a set progression in the narrative or where you need or want to go, but you can choose the order.

Like in aLttP I always leave the first dark world dungeon after getting the hammer to grab the gloves from the fourth dungeon, and then I ask myself where I want to go from there. Temper my sword, run to the ice palace, or dive into the second or third dungeon? Options!

Just like the first LoZ. You have the items to get into any dungeon? Have your pick as to where to go. But! Unlike LoZ, there's a narrative guiding you, some quests to complete, and so on.

If a future Zelda game can balance it where we can explore and do fun things in the world like TotK, collect useful items in the world more like in aLttP, and have meaningful dungeons like aLttP through TP, and do this without gimmick controls like motion controls or the DS game nonsense--I hate that mic and its implementation so much, I swear to all of the gods of all pantheons--I'd be totally for it. Drop us into the world like LoZ and BotW. Give us a compelling narrative guide. Make the major locations and enemy strongholds matter more than "lol gonna get some loot now." I know this can be done. It takes effort, and I hope the successes of BotW and TotK at least show the effort can and will be worthwhile.

The problem is it makes I much less open world When you have items you need to get to places, it feel way more linear But I think they want to leave it fully open Go anywhere and do anything from the start. If you start adding items, it can make it harder to keep it fully open. With something like BotW and TotK, after the tutorial areas, you can go anywhere, and have all your tools at your disposal (Though you still need more heart and stamina) Adding items either makes then needed for certain areas, or they feel useless if their only real use is in the one dungeon it came from So, maybe theyre having trouble finding a happy medium because of that

ok

I tried taking a picture of a bunch of evil hands and was promptly jerked off to death

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How do pictures work again

Ive never really bothered with it in any Zelda game. Do I show them to Purah?

Can you take pics of any NPC or only enemies?

LinkPizza posted...

The problem is it makes I much less open world When you have items you need to get to places, it feel way more linear But I think they want to leave it fully open Go anywhere and do anything from the start. If you start adding items, it can make it harder to keep it fully open. With something like BotW and TotK, after the tutorial areas, you can go anywhere, and have all your tools at your disposal (Though you still need more heart and stamina) Adding items either makes then needed for certain areas, or they feel useless if their only real use is in the one dungeon it came from So, maybe theyre having trouble finding a happy medium because of that

ALBW managed to strike a pretty happy medium there, in that you had ready access to different items that opened up different parts of the world/dungeons, and could pick and choose which ones you wanted. It fell short in that each item was gated behind rupees and the only thing you had to do to just take all of them was farm a bit, kind of making the choice pointless, but I could get behind bringing that concept back with some tweaks. Maybe stick with rupees for the initial rental, but only allow one to be rented at a time, and have a sidequest unlock after that item's dungeon that enhances the item and allows you to keep it permanently.

SilentSeph posted...

I tried taking a picture of a bunch of evil hands and was promptly jerked off to death

Could be worse. You could have successfully killed the evil hands.

adjl posted...

ALBW managed to strike a pretty happy medium there, in that you had ready access to different items that opened up different parts of the world/dungeons, and could pick and choose which ones you wanted. It fell short in that each item was gated behind rupees and the only thing you had to do to just take all of them was farm a bit, kind of making the choice pointless, but I could get behind bringing that concept back with some tweaks. Maybe stick with rupees for the initial rental, but only allow one to be rented at a time, and have a sidequest unlock after that item's dungeon that enhances the item and allows you to keep it permanently.

I thought of ALBW But the difference is that world wasnt open You needed items to get to a lot places Though, some were just weapons, like the bow You could rent or buy most of the items right away (sans the sand rod for story stuff), but you to get the stuff to even get to the dungeons And I think Nintendo actually wants to keep it open to where you can go anywhere and do anything from the get-go without having to get more stuff Which becomes less possible when doing stuff like in ALBW Meaning you either need the items to get around (which they probably want to avoid), or making them only useful in one specific dungeon At least, I think thats why theyre avoiding it Idk I like just being able to go off without having to get extra stuff I mean, even in this game, as soon as I got the paraglider, I just went everywhere. I havent even done the Robbie Chasm quest, but have gotten all the towers, all the glyphs, the Master Sword, the Champions Clothes, found all the stables, and like a bunch of side quests and stuff The only story I started was stuff in the Rito area, and that was accidental But thats just how I like open world games, so

Blightzkrieg posted...

How do pictures work again

Ive never really bothered with it in any Zelda game. Do I show them to Purah?

Can you take pics of any NPC or only enemies?

You can take pictures of enemies, wildlife, materials, and treasures. Once you get a picture of it, it goes into the Compendium and you can read info about the subject and its location. Not all the materials have entries though, like I think a Keese Eyeball had an entry but a Keese Wing does not

I can't remember if there's an NPC that wants to see them but I do remember there being an NPC in BotW who would sell you pictures that you could fill the Compendium up with, and they were generally much nicer pictures than the ones players will take

LinkPizza posted...

I thought of ALBW But the difference is that world wasnt open You needed items to get to a lot places

It's not truly open, but it does offer a similar degree of freedom while preserving the item-based progression that has characterized the Zelda series for so much of its existence. Balancing freedom with meaningful progression is always a bit tricky, and BotW leaned a little too far in the freedom direction, I found. Past the Plateau, nothing new you found ever really enabled anything you couldn't already have done some other way, aside from a couple specific examples (like the gerudo disguise letting you into the town). The extent of progression there was pretty much limited to "now I have enough stamina to climb this cliff," which doesn't exactly feel exciting. TotK does a bit more in that regard by letting you find new devices to use, even if you can already solve most of the problems those devices might help with by sticking more logs together or abusing Ultrahand+Recall, so that's nice, but it's still a very different experience from, say, Adult Link the first time he walks out of the Temple of Time in OoT and Adult Link walking into Ganon's Castle.

Activated most of the geoglyphs, all of the towers. Kinda want to spend a bunch of time in the depths getting zonaite and stuff.

My normie wife was watching a cutscene with me and when it switched back to gameplay with the characters speaking in textboxes she literally laughed out loud

gee I wonder what the deal is with this demon king dude he seems like a big deal

papercup posted...

Aonuma said BotW/TotK are the template for Zelda games going forward which makes me very excited, but Reddit people are like noooo this is awful, dont do this again please which I dont understand at all. Skyward Sword was absolutely horrible, I never want them to do that again.

Oh so they no longer want to do an actual Zelda game like Link to the Past.

Metalsonic66 posted...

Yeah it did

How?

Revelation34 posted...

How?

Why or how would someone view concept art in 480p?

What would 30FPS mean in the context of viewing static artwork?

Metalsonic66 posted...

What would 30FPS mean in the context of viewing static artwork?

The photos I take are taken at a shutter speed of 2000fps, which is why they look so good

adjl posted...

It's not truly open, but it does offer a similar degree of freedom while preserving the item-based progression that has characterized the Zelda series for so much of its existence. Balancing freedom with meaningful progression is always a bit tricky, and BotW leaned a little too far in the freedom direction, I found. Past the Plateau, nothing new you found ever really enabled anything you couldn't already have done some other way, aside from a couple specific examples (like the gerudo disguise letting you into the town). The extent of progression there was pretty much limited to "now I have enough stamina to climb this cliff," which doesn't exactly feel exciting. TotK does a bit more in that regard by letting you find new devices to use, even if you can already solve most of the problems those devices might help with by sticking more logs together or abusing Ultrahand+Recall, so that's nice, but it's still a very different experience from, say, Adult Link the first time he walks out of the Temple of Time in OoT and Adult Link walking into Ganon's Castle.

But thats kind of the point of open world (At least Zelda Open World) The freedom to do whatever you want and go anywhere you want without having to wait to do something For example, those cliff could have already been climbed by having enough stamina food I like being able to just go where I please from the start At least when its an open world game

I got jump scared by a moving tree

The nice thing about getting lost in the depths is that it's showing me where shrines are on the surface

Metalsonic66 posted...

Why or how would someone view concept art in 480p?

What would 30FPS mean in the context of viewing static artwork?

In the context of Lmao shut the fuck up bro

got his ass

SilentSeph posted...

I got jump scared by a moving tree

The first one got me, too At first, I thought I hit it insanely hard with my horse. But when I turned around, I saw it getting closer Then realized the forest was basically alive Fire arrows were shot

papercup posted...

The nice thing about getting lost in the depths is that it's showing me where shrines are on the surface

That is handy, though I've encountered a couple where I guess the shrine is hiding in a cave that I can't find because there's nothing on the top level of the surface.

LinkPizza posted...

The first one got me, too At first, I thought I hit it insanely hard with my horse. But when I turned around, I saw it getting closer Then realized the forest was basically alive Fire arrows were shot

As soon as I saw the first couple, I assumed axes would make quick work of them. I was right.

So I built that one flying vehicle every says to use, 2 fans with a steering stick between them. I don't know why, but every time I try to fly it, it immediately starts listing to the right, flips over and explodes. No idea why it's doing that, doesn't matter how I build it.

adjl posted...

As soon as I saw the first couple, I assumed axes would make quick work of them. I was right.

I did use an axe at one point. BU since the fire could spread easily, I started using that. Plus, it gave me time to run while they were freaking out because they were in fire

papercup posted...

So I built that one flying vehicle every says to use, 2 fans with a steering stick between them. I don't know why, but every time I try to fly it, it immediately starts listing to the right, flips over and explodes. No idea why it's doing that, doesn't matter how I build it.

cuz a flying vehicle that doesn't make

you need at least 3 fans

no you can definitely make it with just two. put them on the sides

LinkPizza posted...

I did use an axe at one point. BU since the fire could spread easily, I started using that. Plus, it gave me time to run while they were freaking out because they were in fire

I generally didn't have much need to run. Their one attack is super telegraphed and easy to dodge, so it's just a matter of sidestepping and bonking them twice.

DirtBasedSoap posted...

In the context of Lmao shut the fuck up bro

Thanks for admitting your silly mistake

So I have like a third of the light roots activated. Like 6 batteries completed. 70-something shrines. All of the geoglyphs completed. Still one dungeon completed. But. I was exploring The depths, and I stumbled upon the Spirit Temple. I'm not sure if this is a dungeon, or just an important plot location or what. If it is a dungeon, not sue when I'm supposed to do it, so I just left it alone for now. I think tomorrow I'm gonna head over to Death Mountain and do my next dungeon.

adjl posted...

I generally didn't have much need to run. Their one attack is super telegraphed and easy to dodge, so it's just a matter of sidestepping and bonking them twice.

I didnt like being surrounded, though Its easier to see them all if I have them all of one side

That's fair. Also, fire is definitely a bigger "take that, stupid trees" move than an axe is.

are y'all talking about those bitch ass trees

Blightzkrieg posted...

I'd be less skeptical if TotK did a single thing to address the shortcomings of BotW, which it didn't.

Well, they increased the enemy variety. I don't know why you don't have infinite running stamina when there aren't enemies nearby, though. It's a no brainer.

I mean, 2 fan 1 handle flying machines are way more useful than running everywhere anyway.

Oh neat after you kill a dungeon boss you can find them in the depths and defeating them again gets you 100 zonai charges for a battery section