Board 8 > Rank the Tracks 108: Pearl Jam - Ten (+ In Flames results)

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poll for darkx's week:
Godspell Original Off-Broadway Cast Recording
vs.
Goo Goo Dolls - Dizzy Up the Girl
vs.
Talking Heads - Little Creatures

Previous results can be seen here:
https://board8.fandom.com/wiki/Rank_the_Tracks
https://board8.fandom.com/wiki/Rank_the_Tracks_Set_2
https://board8.fandom.com/wiki/Rank_the_Tracks_Set_3

The rules:
1. Listen to the album in full
2. Rank every track on the album
3. For the results, there will be a curve at the top of each list; two additional points between #1 and #2, and one additional point for the next two ranks. This way, the songs that really stick out to someone get an edge that is not immediately negated by someone else putting it lower. In the case of Demon Days, someone's 15th track will get 1 point, 14th 2 points, 4th 12 points, 3rd 14 points, 2nd 16 points, and 1st 19 points. For albums with greater than 15 tracks, everything ranked below #15 will be given 0 points and the scale for the top 15 will be the same as a 15-track album. For albums with more than 20 tracks, you only have to list your top 15 (with 16-20, I still like having the average rank listed)
4. If you want to include comments for individual songs, I will compile them in the results
5. The results will be posted at the beginning of the next topic
6. The deadline to vote is Sunday, April 2 at 4:00 PM Central Time; the future week poll will close earlier, when I am putting up the next topic
7. You can sign up to be added to the user cycle (a new user will be added to the end of the current cycle as long as there are four weeks remaining) - the next person on the list will choose 3 albums which the other users will vote on for the next topic.
7a. To ensure people are being given an actual choice, the three nominated albums must be by different artists. You can otherwise stick to a similar sound or era.
7b. The tiebreaker for these polls will be whichever is listed first in the poll options - make sure to deliver the results in order of your own preference (which will hopefully have the added benefit of influencing people toward your first choice if they can't decide).
7c. I have added a tiered vote structure - the least popular album will be removed and its backup votes distributed to the other two entrants.
8. Starting with the next cycle, every four weeks will be a competitive week where those listed choose a single album to face off against others.
9. Skits and tracks under 40 seconds will be excluded from the rankings unless argued otherwise

Pearl Jam - Ten track list:
1. Once
2. Even Flow
3. Alive
4. Why Go
5. Black
6. Jeremy
7. Oceans
8. Porch
9. Garden
10. Deep
11. Release
12. Master/Slave (hidden track)

Current cycle:
4/2: Giggsalot (Bob Marley and the Wailers - Exodus)
4/9: RyoCaliente (The Smiths - The Queen is Dead)
4/16: darkx
4/23: Snake5555555555/Raetsel_Lapin/Seanchan
4/30: neonreaper
5/7: Great_Paul
5/14: jcgamer107
5/21: Giggsalot/MetalmindStats/rwlh
5/28: ChichiriMuyo
6/4: BlueCrystalTear
6/11: rwlh
6/18: NFUN
6/25: HBJDubs/firefdr/NFUN
7/2: StifledSilence
7/9: MaxGalactica

Future cycle:
7/16: MetalmindStats
7/23: HBJDubs
7/30: Raetsel_Lapin
8/6: competitive week
8/13: Steiner
8/20: Snake5555555555
8/27: Jesse_Custer
9/3: competitive week
9/10: ZaziGuado
9/17: firefdr
9/24: Johnbobb
10/1: competitive week
10/8: VeryInsane
10/15: FoolFantastic
10/22: Seanchan
10/29: competitive week

Goo Goo Dolls - Dizzy Up the Girl > Talking Heads - Little Creatures > Godspell Original Off-Broadway Cast Recording

Godspell Original Off-Broadway Cast Recording > Goo Goo Dolls - Dizzy Up the Girl > Talking Heads - Little Creatures

Voting against one of my favorite bands because there are half a dozen Talking Heads albums I would rather us cover and I don't want people voting against them when they come up due to them already being covered.

A phenomenal album from beginning to end. If I prefer the singles, it's more due to exposure than any fault in the rest of the tracks. I feel like a lot of the post-grunge bands took after Pearl Jam in particular. The fact most of those bands became punchlines shows that, even if Pearl Jam's music sounds relatively simple to imitate, it takes a ton of talent to pull it off with convincingly raw emotions. "Black" feels like the underappreciated gem of the grunge era; it's rare for a song to be this vulnerable while also going this hard.

My ranking:
Black
Jeremy
Alive
Even Flow
Release
Oceans
Once
Deep
Why Go
Porch
Garden
Master/Slave

Talking Heads > Godspell > Goo Goo Dolls

Porch
Black
Oceans
Jeremy
Even Flow
Once
Alive
Deep
Why Go
Garden
Release
Master/Slave

Jeremy
Black
Alive
Once
Even Flow
Porch
Oceans
Why Go
Garden
Deep
Release
Master/Slave (hidden track)

Talking Heads > Godspell > Goo Goo Dolls

Talking Heads > Goo Goo Dolls > Godspell

1: Once
2: Alive
3: Even Flow
4: Release
5: Garden
6: Why Go
7: Oceans
8: Deep
9: Jeremy
10: Black
11: Porch
12: Master/Slave

tag, will do this later

Off the cuff as an unofficial ranking, the major hits go Black > Alive > Jeremy = Even Flow > Why Go. Once is good. I also really like Release. I'd need to actually listen to remember what Oceans thru Deep sound like. Don't think I've ever heard Master/Slave.

Talking Heads - Little Creatures > Goo Goo Dolls - Dizzy Up the Girl > Godspell Original Off-Broadway Cast Recording

I've been wanting to nominate a Talking Heads album for awhile but I could never decide on which one.

FoolFantastic posted...

Godspell Original Off-Broadway Cast Recording > Goo Goo Dolls - Dizzy Up the Girl > Talking Heads - Little Creatures

Voting against one of my favorite bands because there are half a dozen Talking Heads albums I would rather us cover and I don't want people voting against them when they come up due to them already being covered.

I get the logic. It definitely wasn't my first thought for Talking Heads albums, but I guess this vote says somebody should have nominated some Talking Heads sooner.

Remain in Light was ripe for the picking!

Snake5555555555 posted...

Remain in Light was ripe for the picking!

I genuinely couldn't choose this over 77' and Fear of Music, or those over it.

Killer album. Wish I had the ability to type out more on it. No weak tracks!

Black
Even Flow
Jeremy
Alive - so good but maybe the most overplayed 90s song other than Lightning Crashes
Garden
Release
Porch
Deep
Oceans
Once
Why Go
Master/Slave (hidden track)

In Flames - Colony results

The participants sorted by deviation from final results:
FoolFantastic (18)
MaxGalactica (18)
HBJDubs (22)
Raetsel_Lapin (32)
Seanchan (42)

General Album Comments

HBJDubs: In a genre that is extremely hit or miss with me, early In Flames is consistent with releasing solid albums, and Colony is no exception. There is one thing In Flames is really good at, and that is making fantastic instrumentals; Man Made God fits the bill here.

Raetsel_Lapin: Sorry, but this just isn't a style of metal that I find appealing.

Seanchan: A fairly arbitrary ranking overall. I feel like I've gone through many phases of liking different parts of this album. It's solid overall, though what I always take from it, and In Flames in general, is just certain solos and instrumental bits. I'll have some of those stuck back in my head for weeks!

MaxGalactica: The vocals are definitely not my thing on this album, but I really like the guitar work throughout this one, especially in the first 7 songs I listed above. Nice album overall.

track ranking

12. Scorn (Track #3)
Score: 15 (Average Rank: 10/12)
Biggest Fan(s): Seanchan (#6)
Biggest Detractor(s): FoolFantastic, HBJDubs (#12)

11. The New Word (Track #11)
Score: 19 (Average Rank: 9.4/12)
Biggest Fan(s): Seanchan (#3)
Biggest Detractor(s): FoolFantastic, HBJDubs, Raetsel_Lapin, MaxGalactica (#11)

10. Insipid 2000 (Track #10)
Score: 21 (Average Rank: 8.8/12)
Biggest Fan(s): Raetsel_Lapin (#5)
Biggest Detractor(s): Seanchan, MaxGalactica (#12)

9. Resin (Track #8)
Score: 23 (Average Rank: 8.4/12)
Biggest Fan(s): FoolFantastic (#6)
Biggest Detractor(s): Seanchan (#11)

8. Coerced Coexistence (Track #7)
Score: 27 (Average Rank: 7.6/12)
Biggest Fan(s): HBJDubs (#5)
Biggest Detractor(s): FoolFantastic, Seanchan (#10)

7. Behind Space '99 (Track #9)
Score: 29 (Average Rank: 7.2/12)
Biggest Fan(s): Seanchan (#4)
Biggest Detractor(s): MaxGalactica (#9)

6. Embody the Invisible (Track #1)
Score: 39 (Average Rank: 5.6/12)
Biggest Fan(s): Seanchan (#2)
Biggest Detractor(s): HBJDubs (#10)

5. Zombie Inc. (Track #5)
Score: 43 (Average Rank: 5/12)
Biggest Fan(s): MaxGalactica (#2)
Biggest Detractor(s): Raetsel_Lapin (#9)

4. Colony (Track #4)
Score: 50 (Average Rank: 4.2/12)
Biggest Fan(s): FoolFantastic, HBJDubs, Raetsel_Lapin (#2)
Biggest Detractor(s): Seanchan (#9)

3. Ordinary Story (Track #2)
Score: 52 (Average Rank: 4.2/12)
Biggest Fan(s): FoolFantastic, Raetsel_Lapin (#1)
Biggest Detractor(s): Seanchan (#8)

2. Pallar Anders Visa (Track #6)
Score: 52 (Average Rank: 3.6/12)
Biggest Fan(s): MaxGalactica (#1)
Biggest Detractor(s): FoolFantastic, Seanchan (#5)

1. Man Made God (Track #12)
Score: 55 (Average Rank: 4/12)
Biggest Fan(s): HBJDubs, Seanchan (#1)
Biggest Detractor(s): Raetsel_Lapin (#12)

Man...only 5 rankers for In Flames... Damn, I thought that would be a band with a little more appeal on B8 but I guess not!

While I do believe that In Flames would do well with the Board 8 population as a whole, only a small number actually participate in this. Since I actually missed the topic entirely last week, I listened to Man Made God. I don't want to offend anybody, but to me it sounded like the most generic metal music possible. It being the highest ranked song off the album, I really don't feel like I missed anything. I don't want to say metal is bad, especially since I have a lot of respect for the technical skills of metal musicians. But as a genre, to me, metal is the equivalent to a math class. Good for you if you find it exciting, I think it's a chore.

it's fine to not like a genre. i don't like pop, so i don't walk into the pop topic and say "man pop is so boring, to me, glad you all like it though"

We typically average around 8 users but have gotten 15+ for a few albums here and there. Typically super popular ones that people have already heard. I think 5 represents the new low water mark though.

Doesn't offend me one bit if you're not into In Flames or metal in general. Everyone's got different tastes. I do appreciate you at least taking the time to listen to the first ranked song! There have been quite a few "big name"/"big artist" albums that I haven't enjoyed very much, and In Flames is very much a smaller band. What you feel about metal is mostly how I feel about rap; respect but usually not too much enjoyment.

Steiner posted...

it's fine to not like a genre, I don't think it needs more explanation than that.

Ah yes, I forgot we were not supposed to discuss our thoughts and feelings on music in the topic that is literally about discussing our thoughts and feelings on music. My apologies.

Goo Goo Dolls - Dizzy Up the Girl > Godspell Original Off-Broadway Cast Recording > Talking Heads - Little Creatures

Oh my.

Oh yeah, I guess I'll vote this week since that's the Goo Goo Dolls album with all the hit singles from back then.

Goo Goo Dolls - Dizzy Up the Girl > Talking Heads - Little Creatures > Godspell Original Off-Broadway Cast Recording

I listened through the In Flames album a few times but then ended up busy and didn't get a chance to rank them

1. Jeremy
2. Black
3. Oceans
4. Even Flow
5. Alive
6. Once
7. Garden
8. Release
9. Porch
10. Deep
11. Why Go
12. Master/Slave

An absolute classic from start to finish. Literally the hidden track is the only thing worth skipping and even that has some good vibe to it.

Goo Goo Dolls > Godspell > Talking Heads

1. Jeremy
2. Alive
3. Even Flow
4. Release
5. Porch
6. Black
7. Deep
8. Once
9. Garden
10. Why Go
11. Oceans
12. Master/Slave

Soundgarden is my favorite of the big grunge bands but Ten is probably the best individual album. Just absolute iconic tracks back to back to back.

1. Black - one of my all time favorite songs, still kinda fucks with me
2. Alive
3. Once
4. Release
5. Even Flow
6. Jeremy
7. Why Go
8. Deep
9. Porch
10. Oceans
11. Garden
12. Master/Slave

Goo Goo Dolls - Dizzy Up the Girl > Talking Heads - Little Creatures > Godspell Original Off-Broadway Cast Recording

1. Even Flow
2. Black
3. Alive
4. Garden
5. Release
6. Once
7. Why Go
8. Deep
9. Jeremy
10. Oceans
11. Porch
12. Master/Slave

What a great album. Pretty much banger after banger all the way through. Great guitar solos throughout, and Eddie Vedder has a fantastic voice. Black was pretty close to taking the top spot for me, but I like Even Flow too much. Awesome pick this week.

1. Alive
2. Even Flow
3. Once
4. Black
5. Why Go
6. Release
7. Jeremy
8. Porch
9. Deep
10. Garden
11. Oceans
12. Master/Slave (hidden track)

A shockingly good album, outside of the hidden track, which is completely forgettable. I suppose I should clarify and say the "shocking" is for myself, as I have never been big on Pearl Jam's radio hits. I'd listen to them but they were never anything that made me want to see out their albums. Ten is a solid album top to bottom, and even if I'm not super high on any particular song, there's no real weak songs either. Obviously you've got an iconic vocalist but there's enough great instrumentation to keep someone like myself engaged the whole way through.

1. Black
2. Jeremy
3. Even Flow
4. Once
5. Porch
6. Alive
7. Garden
8. Release
9. Why Go
10. Oceans
11. Deep
12. Master/Slave

This was my favorite album for years as a kid. My tastes have changed, but it's still a good listen.

Goo Goo Dolls > Talking Heads > Godspell

Black
Jeremy
Even Flow
Alive
Garden
Porch
Deep
Release
Why Go
Oceans
Once
Master/Slave

I've been sitting on this with a blank top 2 for awhile since I couldn't decide which of Black or Jeremy I like more. They're two of the greatest grunge tracks ever. I never got into Pearl Jam as a whole, but this album is stacked with bangers with the aforementioned two tracks being on a whole other level.

Nevermind > Ten > Dirt > Superunknown

Superunknown is my personal favorite and I actually think it's leagues better than the other 3 (okay, maybe not Dirt), despite me loving them too.

I actually listened to all 4 today trying to figure out where to put Ten in my album rankings. I've heard Nevermind too many times for it to not be at the top. Dirt has better hits than Ten (starting with a bang and ending strong) but Ten's better on the whole. Superunknown has a few good songs but it still bores me and is 20 minutes too long.

This is a pretty hard album to rank, honestly. Because every one of these is a banger, most of them in pretty equal ways. I honestly see three "tiers" here with only slight differences between them... well four if you count the weird hidden track, but the other 11 are that close. If you asked me to do this again in two weeks, there'd definitely be a lot of moving around.

1. Jeremy - This one just gets me every time. It's a true story intertwined with Vedder's own experiences. The thought of a high schooler going to the front of class and shooting himself is just... ;_;
2. Black
3. Once
4. Alive
5. Even Flow
6. Release
7. Why Go
8. Deep
9. Garden
10. Oceans
11. Porch
12. Master/Slave

Seanchan posted...

I actually listened to all 4 today trying to figure out where to put Ten in my album rankings. I've heard Nevermind too many times for it to not be at the top. Dirt has better hits than Ten (starting with a bang and ending strong) but Ten's better on the whole. Superunknown has a few good songs but it still bores me and is 20 minutes too long.

And as for Superunknown, it depends on what version you're listening to as well. Some of the "loudness wars" remasters sound terrible in general, but it still has "Spoonman" and "Black Hole Sun" so it gets a lot of points for that. I do agree that it's too long, though, and would be stronger losing two or three songs.

It's nice to do an album I already own. Although I haven't listened to it in a very long time, possibly because the singles are still in fairly heavy rotation on my local rock stations, it still hits. It's also crazy to be reminded just how much this album influenced rock going forward - perhaps even more so than any of the other big four grunge bands at their heights. A real nice hit of nostalgia.

Jeremy
Black
Alive
Oceans
Once
Even Flow
Garden
Porch
Deep
Release
Why Go
Master/Slave

This is near impossible for me to rank. It's one of my favorite albums from one of my favorite bands. All of the songs on here are great.

These days though if I want to listen to this album, I usually just turn to a live concert, or if I need a pick me up, specifically a 1992 live concert (like Pink Pop for example). I would rate this whole ranking differently if we were going on live performances, as I think they play better live then in the studio. While the studio album has this cool mellow rocking out vibe to it that's very unique. Their live stuff was just pure unbridled energy while somehow playing and sounding better then in the studio. Heck, the current version of the band still is lol

Pearl Jam - Ten
1. Even Flow
2. Jeremy
3. Once
4. Why Go
5. Black
6. Alive
7. Release
8. Oceans
9. Porch
10. Deep
11. Garden
12. Master/Slave (hidden track) ...Never realized this was a Hidden Track....I thought it was just the bookend to how the album started with Once.

Live
1. Porch
2. Alive
3.Even Flow
4.Why Go
5.Black
6.Jeremy
7.Once
8.Deep
9.Release
10.Oceans
11.Garden

I don't know, something like that. I usually don't participate in these topics because I have so much trouble ranking things lol

Sorry, I've been so busy this week I completely forgot that I had not yet calculated the results