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Zikten 03/22/23 9:36:10 PM #1:	Joel wasn't meant to take Ellie originally. He just showed up and was the backup plan. Marlene was going to have that guy in Boston that stole from Tess, do it. Either he himself, or his men,would have taken Ellie west. They would have been cold to her and not her friend. And they would have just left her at the lab in the end <cite>Zikten posted [p:972347515] in In The Las... [t:80387821]...</cite> <quote>Joel wasn't meant to take Ellie originally. He just showed up and was the backup plan. Marlene was going to have that guy in Boston that stole from Tess, do it. Either he himself, or his men,would have taken Ellie west. They would have been cold to her and not her friend. And they would have just left her at the lab in the end</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lilORANG 03/22/23 9:37:04 PM #2:	And the world would have been better for it --- #FeelTheBern http://i.imgur.com/q5z4CUu.jpg http://i.imgur.com/6B9oFXh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/sy42Dlf.jpg <cite>lilORANG posted [p:972347533] in In The Las... [t:80387821]...</cite> <quote>And the world would have been better for it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MarcoRubio 03/22/23 9:37:50 PM #3:	And the dumb ass 3rd rate doctor would have killed her and discovered no cure. Your point? --- She/Her <cite>MarcoRubio posted [p:972347551] in In The Las... [t:80387821]...</cite> <quote>And the dumb ass 3rd rate doctor would have killed her and discovered no cure. Your point?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Platypunk 03/22/23 9:38:22 PM #4:	#JusticeForJoel <cite>Platypunk posted [p:972347563] in In The Las... [t:80387821]...</cite> <quote>#JusticeForJoel</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
refmon 03/22/23 9:39:38 PM #5:	lilORANG posted... And the world would have been better for it --- If you read this signature, then that meant that I had control of what you read for 5 SECONDS!! <cite>refmon posted [p:972347585] in In The Las... [t:80387821]...</cite> <quote>lilORANG posted... </cite><quote>And the world would have been better for it</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KogaSteelfang 03/22/23 9:46:33 PM #6:	Even if it had worked, the survivors would still be at risk of being killed by the infected. It'd just stop new infections. The world wouldn't suddenly reverse, it wouldn't become safer. The small communities that are surviving would simply continue to do so as they are. The world would still be over. The infected would still be a huge threat. It'd would only slightly improve survival rates. The people that get bitten and not torn to shreds would live, and that's it. Assuming further infections don't set in and take them out, or die from the injury itself. <cite>KogaSteelfang posted [p:972347710] in In The Las... [t:80387821]...</cite> <quote>Even if it had worked, the survivors would still be at risk of being killed by the infected. It'd just stop new infections.The world wouldn't suddenly reverse, it wouldn't become safer. The small communities that are surviving would simply continue to do so as they are. The world would still be over. The infected would still be a huge threat. It'd would only slightly improve survival rates. The people that get bitten and not torn to shreds would live, and that's it. Assuming further infections don't set in and take them out, or die from the injury itself. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 03/22/23 9:46:34 PM #7:	There's probably a 0% chance anyone other than Joel would have been able to get Ellie to the lab --- http://i.imgur.com/x04tPRZ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/t7T392I.jpg <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:972347712] in In The Las... [t:80387821]...</cite> <quote>There's probably a 0% chance anyone other than Joel would have been able to get Ellie to the lab</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AndreLeGeant 03/22/23 10:00:31 PM #8:	KogaSteelfang posted... Even if it had worked, the survivors would still be at risk of being killed by the infected. It'd just stop new infections. The world wouldn't suddenly reverse, it wouldn't become safer. The small communities that are surviving would simply continue to do so as they are. The world would still be over. The infected would still be a huge threat. It'd would only slightly improve survival rates. The people that get bitten and not torn to shreds would live, and that's it. Assuming further infections don't set in and take them out, or die from the injury itself. You could eventually kill off infected or they'd die off. The real point is that this major choice for Joel makes no sense, though Druckman insists we should assume the cure would have been found --- "Not only is Andre way smarter than you, he's also way smarter than you think you are." - SaikyoStyle <cite>AndreLeGeant posted [p:972348010] in In The Las... [t:80387821]...</cite> <quote>KogaSteelfang posted... </cite><quote>Even if it had worked, the survivors would still be at risk of being killed by the infected. It'd just stop new infections.The world wouldn't suddenly reverse, it wouldn't become safer. The small communities that are surviving would simply continue to do so as they are. The world would still be over. The infected would still be a huge threat. It'd would only slightly improve survival rates. The people that get bitten and not torn to shreds would live, and that's it. Assuming further infections don't set in and take them out, or die from the injury itself.</quote>You could eventually kill off infected or they'd die off. The real point is that this major choice for Joel makes no sense, though Druckman insists we should assume the cure would have been found </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YoungMutual 03/22/23 10:19:43 PM #9:	Why did they decide to kill Ellie so fast though, it should have been months if not years of researching Ellie before any conclusive evidence that killing her was the only choice. --- YoungMutual <cite>YoungMutual posted [p:972348434] in In The Las... [t:80387821]...</cite> <quote>Why did they decide to kill Ellie so fast though, it should have been months if not years of researching Ellie before any conclusive evidence that killing her was the only choice.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 03/22/23 10:21:01 PM #10:	YoungMutual posted... Why did they decide to kill Ellie so fast though, it should have been months if not years of researching Ellie before any conclusive evidence that killing her was the only choice. The Fireflies are idiots is why <cite>Zikten posted [p:972348464] in In The Las... [t:80387821]...</cite> <quote>YoungMutual posted... </cite><quote>Why did they decide to kill Ellie so fast though, it should have been months if not years of researching Ellie before any conclusive evidence that killing her was the only choice.</quote>The Fireflies are idiots is why</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Secret_Asian_Man 03/22/23 10:26:01 PM #11:	It really is weird to be so hasty in wanting to kill your potential sole source of cure without long term tests. Heck, you could even do a brain biopsy without killing her. <cite>Secret_Asian_Man posted [p:972348581] in In The Las... [t:80387821]...</cite> <quote>It really is weird to be so hasty in wanting to kill your potential sole source of cure without long term tests. Heck, you could even do a brain biopsy without killing her.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hoodroar 03/22/23 10:28:44 PM #13:	MarcoRubio posted... And the dumb ass 3rd rate doctor would have killed her and discovered no cure. There's no proof of that. It's pure fanboy cope. Smashingpmkns posted... There's probably a 0% chance anyone other than Joel would have been able to get Ellie to the lab But probably this. Fireflies mistake wasn't sending Joel, it was not disposing of him afterwards. --- sigless user logic <cite>Hoodroar posted [p:972348632] in In The Las... [t:80387821]...</cite> <quote>MarcoRubio posted...</cite><quote>And the dumb ass 3rd rate doctor would have killed her and discovered no cure.</quote>There's no proof of that. It's pure fanboy cope.Smashingpmkns posted...</cite><quote>There's probably a 0% chance anyone other than Joel would have been able to get Ellie to the lab</quote>But probably this.Fireflies mistake wasn't sending Joel, it was not disposing of him afterwards.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Platypunk 03/22/23 10:30:18 PM #15:	MarcoRubio posted... And the dumb ass 3rd rate doctor would have killed her and discovered no cure. Your point? These stupid science bitches think sacrificing a little girl to the science god will stop da virus. <cite>Platypunk posted [p:972348670] in In The Las... [t:80387821]...</cite> <quote>MarcoRubio posted...</cite><quote>And the dumb ass 3rd rate doctor would have killed her and discovered no cure. Your point?</quote>These stupid science bitches think sacrificing a little girl to the science god will stop da virus.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KogaSteelfang 03/22/23 10:35:45 PM #16:	AndreLeGeant posted... You could eventually kill off infected or they'd die off. Doubt they'd die out. Some of the money at powerful enemies are the first infected that are still living. Doubt it'd ever possible to ever kill them off either. They far outnumber the remaining humans. It'd basically make no difference. By the time the game and show happen, no new infected survive to become a monster. They all are either killed, or commit suicide. It's the same result, no new infected. The only difference it'd make is having a slightly higher survival rate, which would raise the numbers in the human side a bit, but not really enough to make a huge difference. Killing old infected and preventing new infections is essentially the same as immunizing them to not get infected. AndreLeGeant posted... The real point is that this major choice for Joel makes no sense, though Druckman insists we should assume the cure would have been found His choice does make sense, from his perspective. There wouldn't be a discussion if it was cut and dry. I'm just saying a successful cure wouldn't actually affect things very much. <cite>KogaSteelfang posted [p:972348774] in In The Las... [t:80387821]...</cite> <quote>AndreLeGeant posted... </cite><quote>You could eventually kill off infected or they'd die off.</quote>Doubt they'd die out. Some of the money at powerful enemies are the first infected that are still living. Doubt it'd ever possible to ever kill them off either. They far outnumber the remaining humans.It'd basically make no difference. By the time the game and show happen, no new infected survive to become a monster. They all are either killed, or commit suicide. It's the same result, no new infected. The only difference it'd make is having a slightly higher survival rate, which would raise the numbers in the human side a bit, but not really enough to make a huge difference. Killing old infected and preventing new infections is essentially the same as immunizing them to not get infected.AndreLeGeant posted... </cite><quote>The real point is that this major choice for Joel makes no sense, though Druckman insists we should assume the cure would have been found</quote>His choice does make sense, from his perspective. There wouldn't be a discussion if it was cut and dry. I'm just saying a successful cure wouldn't actually affect things very much.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ricemills 03/23/23 8:02:47 AM #17:	What if the cure is not a vaccine to prevent infection, but it can disinfect the infected? --- You have the right to remain silent. Anything you posted will be misquoted, then be used against you. http://error1355.com/ce/Ricemills.html <cite>Ricemills posted [p:972354077] in In The Las... [t:80387821]...</cite> <quote>What if the cure is not a vaccine to prevent infection, but it can disinfect the infected?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kaldrenthebold 03/23/23 8:08:36 AM #18:	No they weren't TC, Robert and his crew were never going to take Ellie, the fireflies were getting the battery from him. The fireflies were going to take her but then got into a shootout and couldn't so they had the smugglers take her. Literally Joel and Tess went to get the battery for the car from them and saw the aftermath after he tried to swindle them with a junk battery How did you miss this? --- http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u223/chocolateFRESH/arts/kraid.png - Thanks GP cosmonaut! http://i.imgur.com/TuJWAR8.jpg <cite>Kaldrenthebold posted [p:972354132] in In The Las... [t:80387821]...</cite> <quote>No they weren't TC, Robert and his crew were never going to take Ellie, the fireflies were getting the battery from him. The fireflies were going to take her but then got into a shootout and couldn't so they had the smugglers take her. Literally Joel and Tess went to get the battery for the car from them and saw the aftermath after he tried to swindle them with a junk batteryHow did you miss this?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningAce11 03/23/23 8:10:04 AM #19:	Even if the cure stopped the infected and cured everyone, Joel wouldn't have gone for it if it meant sacrificing Ellie. He even says "Find someone else". As long as it wasn't his new daughter, he wouldn't care who dies. --- I want you to grab your nuts. Grab your balls. I want you to take a handful, and just grab your nuts real quick. Swivel 'em around in a circular motion. -LTG <cite>LightningAce11 posted [p:972354151] in In The Las... [t:80387821]...</cite> <quote>Even if the cure stopped the infected and cured everyone, Joel wouldn't have gone for it if it meant sacrificing Ellie.He even says "Find someone else". As long as it wasn't his new daughter, he wouldn't care who dies.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TetsuoS2 03/23/23 8:11:29 AM #20:	Ricemills posted... What if the cure is not a vaccine to prevent infection, but it can disinfect the infected? maybe if it's early enough, but the brain gets shroomed in a while, clickers and older make this obvious. --- c <cite>TetsuoS2 posted [p:972354166] in In The Las... [t:80387821]...</cite> <quote>Ricemills posted... </cite><quote>What if the cure is not a vaccine to prevent infection, but it can disinfect the infected?</quote>maybe if it's early enough, but the brain gets shroomed in a while, clickers and older make this obvious.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
boxoto 03/23/23 8:14:28 AM #21:	I wonder what would have happened if plan B worked out, and Tommy took Ellie to the Fireflies instead. on one hand, he saw how much Ellie was starting to mean to Joel and most likely wouldn't have wanted to put him through another major loss, but on the other, he didn't have an emotional attachment to Ellie, and he was once a Firefly who was close to Marlene. I wonder if he could have been convinced a cure was more important or the girl. --- Don't you agree, Zach? https://streamable.com/bmh5oq <cite>boxoto posted [p:972354193] in In The Las... [t:80387821]...</cite> <quote>I wonder what would have happened if plan B worked out, and Tommy took Ellie to the Fireflies instead. on one hand, he saw how much Ellie was starting to mean to Joel and most likely wouldn't have wanted to put him through another major loss, but on the other, he didn't have an emotional attachment to Ellie, and he was once a Firefly who was close to Marlene. I wonder if he could have been convinced a cure was more important or the girl. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iPhone_7 03/23/23 8:15:06 AM #22:	A cure would have been more useful when there was still society going on, but now most people are in compounds or small groups and not a lot of travel happening. If youre immune you still get torn apart by infected. Also theres no guarantee that theyd be able to develop a cure and even then the terrorist group will have to somehow distribute it, And in the show ~~the disease isnt even spread through the air via spores, so a cure is even more pointless in the show.~~ --- Sig User Logic http://i.imgur.com/lA5fm7w.jpg <cite>iPhone_7 posted [p:972354199] in In The Las... [t:80387821]...</cite> <quote>A cure would have been more useful when there was still society going on, but now most people are in compounds or small groups and not a lot of travel happening. If youre immune you still get torn apart by infected.Also theres no guarantee that theyd be able to develop a cure and even then the terrorist group will have to somehow distribute it,And in the show the disease isnt even spread through the air via spores, so a cure is even more pointless in the show.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 03/23/23 8:19:14 AM #23:	I personally think it's kind of tough to put myself in the mindset of a desperate group of people. Being desperate can make for bad decisions. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:972354235] in In The Las... [t:80387821]...</cite> <quote>I personally think it's kind of tough to put myself in the mindset of a desperate group of people.Being desperate can make for bad decisions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pegusus123456 03/23/23 8:22:50 AM #24:	boxoto posted... I wonder what would have happened if plan B worked out, and Tommy took Ellie to the Fireflies instead. I think Tommy absolutely would have let it happen, but I also doubt he makes it there at all. --- http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif So? I deeded to some gay porn. It doesn't mean anything. - Patty_Fleur <cite>pegusus123456 posted [p:972354271] in In The Las... [t:80387821]...</cite> <quote>boxoto posted... </cite><quote>I wonder what would have happened if plan B worked out, and Tommy took Ellie to the Fireflies instead. </quote>I think Tommy absolutely would have let it happen, but I also doubt he makes it there at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_____Cait 03/23/23 8:29:34 AM #25:	i only played on ps3, but why do people assume they would kill Ellie? Even then, Joel didnt need to freak out and could have heard what the plan was. And the fireflies didnt need to yank Ellie away and be so dramatic about it. Its just dumb people not communicating --- ORAS secret base: http://imgur.com/V9nAVrd 3DS friend code: 0173-1465-1236 <cite>_____Cait posted [p:972354362] in In The Las... [t:80387821]...</cite> <quote>i only played on ps3, but why do people assume they would kill Ellie?Even then, Joel didnt need to freak out and could have heard what the plan was. And the fireflies didnt need to yank Ellie away and be so dramatic about it.Its just dumb people not communicating </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pegusus123456 03/23/23 8:30:29 AM #26:	_____Cait posted... i only played on ps3, but why do people assume they would kill Ellie? It's pretty heavily implied in that conversation the two of them have where Marlene says they're gonna kill her. --- http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif So? I deeded to some gay porn. It doesn't mean anything. - Patty_Fleur <cite>pegusus123456 posted [p:972354373] in In The Las... [t:80387821]...</cite> <quote>_____Cait posted... </cite><quote>i only played on ps3, but why do people assume they would kill Ellie?</quote>It's pretty heavily implied in that conversation the two of them have where Marlene says they're gonna kill her.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 03/23/23 8:39:43 AM #27:	I said it a decade ago, but the big breakdown in communication wasn't that the scientists were willing to kill her to get the cure, or that Joel was willing to slaughter them all to prevent them from killing her. The big problem is that neither party asked Ellie what she wanted. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:972354476] in In The Las... [t:80387821]...</cite> <quote>I said it a decade ago, but the big breakdown in communication wasn't that the scientists were willing to kill her to get the cure, or that Joel was willing to slaughter them all to prevent them from killing her.The big problem is that neither party asked Ellie what she wanted.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThunderTrain 03/23/23 8:42:46 AM #28:	And then a terrorist group has a cure --- Without this nobody reads the last line of a post Look at all these slave masters posing on your dollar <cite>ThunderTrain posted [p:972354517] in In The Las... [t:80387821]...</cite> <quote>And then a terrorist group has a cure </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
boxoto 03/23/23 11:20:44 AM #29:	pegusus123456 posted... I think Tommy absolutely would have let it happen, but I also doubt he makes it there at all. ...maybe --- Don't you agree, Zach? https://streamable.com/bmh5oq <cite>boxoto posted [p:972357102] in In The Las... [t:80387821]...</cite> <quote>pegusus123456 posted... </cite><quote>I think Tommy absolutely would have let it happen, but I also doubt he makes it there at all.</quote>...maybe</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KogaSteelfang 03/23/23 5:32:55 PM #30:	boxoto posted... I wonder what would have happened if plan B worked out, and Tommy took Ellie to the Fireflies instead. I'm imagining 2 scenarios here. 1. He drops her off in the doorstep and leaves. Not wanting to get involved in Firefly stuff again, and his job is fine,cand Ellie is "safe" with them. So he just goes home. 2. He reconnects with Marlene, and she takes him out for drinks or something while they operate. He's none the wiser. Though, I do think even if he knew that he'd still let it happen. He had previously stated that he can't let Joel's sorrow dictate his own life. So the decision would likely be made with his own family in mind over Joel's. <cite>KogaSteelfang posted [p:972365393] in In The Las... [t:80387821]...</cite> <quote>boxoto posted... </cite><quote>I wonder what would have happened if plan B worked out, and Tommy took Ellie to the Fireflies instead.</quote>I'm imagining 2 scenarios here.1. He drops her off in the doorstep and leaves. Not wanting to get involved in Firefly stuff again, and his job is fine,cand Ellie is "safe" with them. So he just goes home.2. He reconnects with Marlene, and she takes him out for drinks or something while they operate. He's none the wiser.Though, I do think even if he knew that he'd still let it happen. He had previously stated that he can't let Joel's sorrow dictate his own life. So the decision would likely be made with his own family in mind over Joel's.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Punished_Blinx 03/23/23 5:35:45 PM #31:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] There was no situation where Joel is walking away peacefully without her alive and with him. --- A Fallen Mascot <cite>Punished_Blinx posted [p:972365453] in In The Las... [t:80387821]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> There was no situation where Joel is walking away peacefully without her alive and with him. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
andrewl923 03/23/23 5:36:46 PM #32:	Zikten posted... Joel wasn't meant to take Ellie originally. He just showed up and was the backup plan. Marlene was going to have that guy in Boston that stole from Tess, do it. Either he himself, or his men,would have taken Ellie west. They would have been cold to her and not her friend. And they would have just left her at the lab in the end What? Marlene and her team was going to take Ellie to the hospital in Utah. She went to the dude who jumped Tess to get a car battery, the same one that he "sold" Tess that was junk. Only reason he asked Joel is because she was wounded bad, and most of her team is dead other than the earless one. --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/BigDrew923/wishlist <cite>andrewl923 posted [p:972365473] in In The Las... [t:80387821]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite><quote>Joel wasn't meant to take Ellie originally. He just showed up and was the backup plan. Marlene was going to have that guy in Boston that stole from Tess, do it. Either he himself, or his men,would have taken Ellie west. They would have been cold to her and not her friend. And they would have just left her at the lab in the end</quote>What? Marlene and her team was going to take Ellie to the hospital in Utah. She went to the dude who jumped Tess to get a car battery, the same one that he "sold" Tess that was junk. Only reason he asked Joel is because she was wounded bad, and most of her team is dead other than the earless one. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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