Board 8 > ~FIGHT!~ Master Chief and Squall Leonhart vs. Tifa Lockhart and The Doom Slayer

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Ill take triple buffs and triple debuffs over whatever Tifa is dishing out

if BFG man is shooting off homing rockets and giving away his location motion tracker, Spartan Laser is probably stronger than BFG is anyway and it isnt restricted to just short limited range

Phone me when the splaser does this imo:

https://youtu.be/ZuDXIVl_P0M?t=112

That can't be what he's using otherwise he just fires it and it destroys the battlefield (including himself) in literally any mercs match

That's the BFG10000 not 9k

Lopen posted...

That can't be what he's using otherwise he just fires it and it destroys the battlefield (including himself) in literally any mercs match

It is! Seriously! The BFG is just too small for its actual peak power level to be manifested via is portable casing. Go to 3:15 for what you're getting in a mercs match since the Slayer doesn't have the amplifier cannon to work with.

Master SeeD

Close though

In terms of single target destruction, spartan laser is probably on par or greater than the BFG9000 unamplified. It can one shot any vehicle in the game aside from the human tank (Covenant Tank it will). What it lacks is the AOE of the BFG mostly. But it has greater range.

I'm not sure it can one shot Doom Slayer but it definitely one shots Tifa and can do a huge dent to Doomslayer.

Rip and Tear
i dont think MC has the firepower here, unfortunately.

A direct BFG shot is probably more dangerous than the splaser, but also Chief is never ever getting hit by it directly, just struck by the homing beams. The splaser could hurt the Slayer bad if he's caught shields down against it, IMO - not lethal but like, that's gonna slow even the Slayer down for sure. The true ultimate offense the Slayer has to just utterly waste someone is the Crucible blade, though. That shit's a oneshot against p much anyone imo, just too much hype for the demon laser sword

I don't think it matters here though. I think this match is decided in a gunnery battle, one way or another. Setting all fanboyism aside, IMO what probably happens is that the Slayer closes in with micromissile spam, Chief has to find ways to either shoot the missiles down en route or keep moving from cover to cover, and Squall probably gets one round of spells off (which likely leads to CC more than dispelling, since Tifa can only summon Carbuncle in combat if she wants to be efficient about her buffs), then Tifa calls Carbuncle and pops a Haste (which I don't think actually hastes the Slayer, but does remove Slow or Stop and lets him run his normal game unimpeded), and starts closing in herself with Squall having to take care of her, moreso than Chief. The Slayer's too disruptive to snipe chaff because taking eyes off him means death since he's a relentless hurricane of gunfire, flames and freeze nades. I feel Squall wins the matchup vs Tifa due to extremely severe range advantage helping him rig things in his favor for the mano a mano, but it's not fast and the Slayer probably beats Chief fairly clean if Squall isn't debuffing him. The firepower diff is super duper real -- nothing Chief has ever fought comes even close to 'solo'd a skyscraper sized demon with the exact same guns used on everything else', particularly not with his portable weaponry. It's a really tall mountain to climb and he has to work fast there.

BFG

lmao why is bfg not an ability

Doom Slayer

His build is so ludicrous and should be in consideration for 7 week status considering how strong his abilities are.

greengravy294 posted...

Doom Slayer

His build is so ludicrous and should be in consideration for 7 week status considering how strong his abilities are.

If I had confidence people take the Slayer to fight Raiden evenly I totally put him there tbqh

But it's hard to estimate respect when you are the absolute greatest stan of the character so I decided to not trust my gut there

Superweapons aside, I kinda think Master Chief is on Doom Slayer's level? If you swapped their positions the results of each campaign would be roughly same.

KamikazePotato posted...

Superweapons aside, I kinda think Master Chief is on Doom Slayer's level? If you swapped their positions the results of each campaign would be roughly same.

You think Chief manages to beat this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4C27HjGi0s

Like that's why I have such high Slayer respect. Defeating an enemy that is so large they destabilize reality and smash skyscrapers just by walking through them is...really impressive. Serious question for Chief fans, what's his greatest lore win? I played Halo 1 to 3 and I can't recall anything at all close to this.

KanzarisKelshen posted...

You think Chief manages to beat this?

Yes imo.

He has something Doom Slayer doesn't have... Luck.

Chief and Squall

Really think Squall's utility is being underplayed here. Also think Chief vs Doomslayer on a large terrain is much closer than being given credit for. Tifa is also more likely to be eliminated quicker than Squall due to Chief's superior long range options. (These matches don't neatly pair off into Tifa/Squall and Chief/Doomslayer-- Squall and Tifa likely dont even interact with one another and are trying to survive the heavy hitters here)

A guy who just falls from space like nothing is not jobbing to the splash from BFG (Chief wouldnt be hit directly). To win this Doomslayer has to close before taking too much damage and without Squall hindering him too much/buffing chief too much beforehand.

Chief runs faster than a car on the highway!!

Chief, in the books, is an augmented human inside of the mjolnir suit. He has built in bullet time and repeatedly mentions it feels like everyone around him is moving in slow motion. He fast

going doom but I think it's closer than it's been made out to be

chief and squall

not sure about chief vs doom but squall is way more handy to me than tifa

I'm still thinking but I agree with Lopen on a lot of points here, especially that I don't think the duos end up paring off. Tifa and Squall probably don't meet at all in the combat here. Tifa I think hides after her first death and rez with carbuncle, which is going to come fairly early and thus be on CD if Doomslayer ever needs it for the revive. She'd need to get close enough to Chief to breach him and that's... not really likely. I adore Tifa but this is a hellscape for her (literally, haw.) So if she's trying to stay alive and keep her buffs up, she's essentially a noncombatant, and if she doesn't, she's gonna die.

Squall is a bit better off with triple, if he hangs back out of Doomslayer's range... but i do think a stray rocket is gonna catch him at some point. It's arguable that if Slayer does close with chief and doomily slay him, Squall probably CAN get a full life off (and die for it) leaving doomy to have to re-fight chief in a secondary duel. Which, if Chief uses the time to book it back to range... gives him a really strong chance here. I watched the level video, this isn't a straight run for either team there's a lot of cover and walls and underground areas to hide behind. It's a case where i think Doomslayer has superior firepower, his guns are in fact BETTER than chief's. But can chief still do the job? I'm... not sure. leaning towards a 'i think so with squall's backup specifically'. But it's still a think so.

Also as cool as Icon of Sin is as a giant demony death boss, it is still a giant, slow ass, boss monster. So yeeaaaah I don't think Chief would job to it as long as his guns weren't worthless against it.

Squall and Tifa both canonically fight numerous enemies with guns, so I don't think they're jobbing nearly as hard as people say they would. They could at the very least provide a crucial distraction for their partner.

Also as cool as Icon of Sin is as a giant demony death boss, it is still a giant, slow ass, boss monster. So yeeaaaah I don't think Chief would job to it as long as his guns weren't worthless against it.

If you want something faster, well...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDqbfV6KPq4

This is a canon fight. Not a side trip or an optional challenge or anything, you HAVE to beat this enemy while it's sped up to hell and back with no saving grace. So the Slayer is pretty used to dealing with speedy man sized assholes who are also immune to damage so long as they're facing him, if it matters. Is this faster than Chief might be with buffs? Not sure. But it's at least in the ballpark.

In that fight you linked he isnt using BFG cuz it doesnt work on ppl who can move

MajinZidane posted...

In that fight you linked he isnt using BFG cuz it doesnt work on ppl who can move

That's not why he's not using it. He's not using it because the Marauder's unholy laser shield makes the laser not work from the front and the BFG shot would poof almost immediately in such an enclosed arena so it wouldn't actually hit from the back for long. It's not like that matters as far as showing off that the Slayer can handle hasted guys, though -- if anything this proves that he would be able to take care of a hasted Chief just fine.

MajinZidane posted...

Chief, in the books, is an augmented human inside of the mjolnir suit. He has built in bullet time and repeatedly mentions it feels like everyone around him is moving in slow motion. He fast

oh for sure, I'm not disrespecting Chief at all. if this were Chief vs. Doomguy with a more normal loadout (no BFG/crucible), it would be an interesting fight (I would still probably lean Doomguy, but could be swayed). but this current build is just absurd

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My main concern is just a matter of weapons - namely, Doomslayer's pure AoE. The massive shockwaves the BFG leaves are just really bad news for anyone surrounding, and while Chief certainly can fight back floods of enemies, a lot of Chief's weapons are made to focus down one enemy for a prolonged period (part & parcel for Halo's energy shields being so damn good). I just see Squall getting caught in the AoE a LOT more than I do Tifa here, especially considering Chief's likely to want a longer range confrontation with his boy close to keep buffing him, and Doom Slayer... doesn't. I see him bum rushing a lot faster than I see Squall being able to pop support, and even if he manages to get some blinding off, I think Tifa gets some healing in, at least once. And that's a Hell of a lot more than the constant offensive barrage is gonna allow the other guys. If Chief had a better option or the terrain had less corridors and more open space, I think there's a solid argument (take this to Balamb and I think it's interesting with Squall's knowledge and Chief using different levels of elevation to kite and pick Tifa off), but in a terrain where rushing is all but guaranteed and Doom Slayer is aggro magnet supreme? Yeah, nah fam.

After way too much waffling I think Kamek's right about how this happens. Doomslayer's weapons are just better than Chief's and on this terrain... yeah. Sorry John, gonna have to go with Team Hellbuncle.

Hmm yeeeah Doomguy

I do think that with a more normal weapons loadout this would be highly debatable. As far as fantasy JRPG characters go, Squall and Tifa are great choices for fighting gunners. I don't agree with the general consensus that seems to be them getting headshot the moment they try to approach. Both of them canonically defeat numerous enemies with bullets, and they both have Advent Children-style mobility to close the gap. They wouldn't beat Chief or Doom Slayer, but they'd be an non-negligible threat...without stuff like the BFG in play.

Here's a thing for me. Slayer's "tankiness" in-game relies on having tons of fodder for him to chainsaw/sword and gobble up health from. How is that flavored? He doesn't have any easy snacks to crack open and eat up if he gets hit here.

trdl23 posted...

Here's a thing for me. Slayer's "tankiness" in-game relies on having tons of fodder for him to chainsaw/sword and gobble up health from. How is that flavored? He doesn't have any easy snacks to crack open and eat up if he gets hit here.

That's pure gameplay mechanics because it serves the combat loop. If you want the lore on how unkillable he is, well...

Yet as the mighty Titan fell and dread engulfed the armies of Doom, the demon priests of the Blood Temples laid a trap to capture this scourge of Hell. Insatiable, even by the vanquishing of the Great One, the Hell Walker sought prey in the tombs of the Blood Keep. And blinded by his fervor, the lure drew him in. The priests brought down the temple upon the Doom Slayer, and in his defeat entombed him in the cursed sarcophagus. The mark of the Doom Slayer was burned upon his crypt, a warning to all of Hell that the terror within must never be freed. There he lies still, and ever more, in silent suffering.

(Needless to say, 'bring down an entire building upon him' didn't take, it just KO'd him so they could bind him, but he was unharmed otherwise)

He also, off the top of my head...

-Tanks three point blank explosions of hell energy on his face, in a row, that he causes without being able to shield himself from them in Doom 2016. Said explosions are from killing elemental beings that are powering a significant chunk of hell, so it's not exactly like blowing up an explosive barrel.
-Uses himself as a human cannonball that punches clean through a solid steel wall at high velocities, shot from a cannon, in Doom Eternal.
-On the gameplay side of things, his minigun has a shield that can take getting hit by Tyrant (Cyberdemon) lasers and missiles and even stomps for multiple volleys. Said shield also detonates violently and pulps whatever's nearby when it explodes.

So yeah, fairly beefy all things considered, unless you go by nothing other than Nightmare mode damage values.

Great match, thank you for participating, everyone.