Board 8 > ~FIGHT!~ Master Chief and Squall Leonhart vs. Tifa Lockhart and The Doom Slayer

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Master Chief and Squall Leonhart have challenged Tifa Lockhart and The Doom Slayer to a fight! Location of the fight: The Titan's Realm - An inhospitable corner of hell, where the humongous remnants of demons slain by the Doom Slayer rest. Treacherous rocky cliffs make navigation difficult, and the sprawling underground temple underneath the bodies of the fallen demons is easy to get lost in. Attackers will start at the beginning area, with defenders starting at the Icon of Sin's resting place. No enemies are present. Which side will win?

Guidelines

-The fight will occur in real-time (like an FMV sequence). Gameplay mechanics are less important than how the characters would function in a real-time environment.
-The members of each team are ideal teammates capable of executing a prearranged battle plan.
-Unless stated otherwise, characters have access to their full arsenal of abilities and equipment. They may not always work at full power, however (e.g. a petrifying spell may have only a partial hindering effect not seen in gameplay or even fail outright against sufficiently powerful mercenaries). Use your own discretion.
-No mercenary can ever start in a location where they would die instantly, destroy the arena merely by existing in it, or end up ringed out of the terrain before abilities. If there's no room within a terrain to fit them, the terrain will stretch out until there's at least one yard of available, moving, safe space. Attacks may not damage the terrain enough to cause automatic deaths or ring-outs, save with a concerted effort.
-There may be SPOILERS from all of the games the characters are from.

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-This match will end in 24 hours.

Master Chief is as he appears in the Halo series. He is equipped with his Mjolnir armor, and brings one of each portable human weapon seen in the Halo series to battle (two for dual-wieldable weapons) as well as a full complement of grenades, a single portable gravity lift and the energy sword. So long as it does not contradict the games, supplementary media is valid.

Squall Leonhart is as he appears in Final Fantasy 8. He has access to all of his attacks, limit breaks and spells featured within, save Zombie, Death, Aura, Apocalypse and Meltdown, as well as all his attacks and abilities featured in Dissidia NT (including Draw). He is considered to have his best equipment and an optimal junction setup for stat bonuses, but is receiving no other benefits from junctioning.

~VS~

Tifa Lockhart is as she appears in Final Fantasy 7 Remake and continuations, with full access to all of her moves and Limit Breaks seen therein. She has access to the Chakra, Prayer, Assess, Deadly Dodge, Parry, Steadfast Block, Breach, Provoke, Poison, Elemental and Carbuncle materias, fully mastered.

The Doom Slayer is as he appears in Doom Eternal, with full access to his entire arsenal, fully upgraded and with his subweapons charged. He comes into battle equipped with the Blood Fuelled, Air Control and Chrono Strike runes, and will benefit from health, armor and ammo generating mechanics as normal, though the Chainsaw and Crucible may not necessarily instantly kill enemies. VEGA is assisting him, and may interact with electronic systems freely.

i'm having trouble figuring out what spells squall has

does he have buffs

Chaeix posted...

i'm having trouble figuring out what spells squall has

does he have buffs

https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Magic_(Final_Fantasy_VIII)

Everything on this list except the five banned things is good to go. Note Tifa has Breach to dispel buffs too though.

Squall =? tifa
Slayer> chief

Are my initial thoughts

Kinda same for me

Except Slayer>>>chief, so

The Doom Slayer shoots his BFG once and instantly kills both Squall and Chief

Yeah, uh, kind of a mismach

Gut feeling is Squall is a lot better than Tifa and Master Chief has more skill and armor but inferior weapons to Doom Slayer

I don't rightly know all of Doom Slayer's hype though

I don't think Chief jobs to a single BFG shot either lol

Lopen posted...

Gut feeling is Squall is a lot better than Tifa and Master Chief has more skill and armor but inferior weapons to Doom Slayer

I don't rightly know all of Doom Slayer's hype though

So like, you know the old Dooms? They all happened, canonically, then Doomguy spent either centuries or millennia (it's unclear) fighting as the general of a medieval ultratech fantasy world's forces against hell, then that world fell and he went back to hell to murder demons so hard they created religious texts warning against his fury, then they dropped an entire cave system on him and that made him take a nap, then he woke up and the events of Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal played out where he once again wrecked hell, then wrecked heaven, then killed satan, who is also god

No exaggeration on any of these points, truly. Skill is debatable (I feel the Slayer completely washes Chief skillwise but I can see arguments otherwise) but his armor is a lot better, seeing how it tanked something that would 100% kill Chief in the same situation and his enemies have much more impressive weaponry than the Covenant.

The problem with that interp is you have damage scaling baseline of a pistol and infested marines to extrapolate everything in Doom. It's easy to drink the hype that it's literally hell but you have to take it back to a level that space marines with pistols can kill stuff.

I have not played Eternal but based on the old games, and I do believe they I think you're overhyping the power scale of Doom quite a bit.

It seems like a straightforward case of Doom Slayer > Master Chief, and the FF duo is so much weaker than them that whoever wins that wins the match.

So Doom Slayer wins.

Like I compare Halo power level to OG Doom (which shares a lot of enemy tropes with eternal so I dont feel it's likely a huge power jump occurred) I would take a large Covenant Force to conquer Doom's version of Hell pretty easily.

Oh yeah, I also forgot the part where he was imbued with a shard of God's power itself, that was a thing that happened to

Anyway, uhh, quick bulletpoints on just how hard his weapons and gear outclass Chief's:

-The BFG powers an entire cannon that punches a hole in Mars' surface that goes all the way to the core. No, this is not exaggeration.
-He has activatable bullet time when he's airborne, so chief's reflex hype is countered.
-His chaingun fires 51 milimeter bullets at 5000 feet per second. I think this one kinda speaks for itself.
-The super shotgun has killed so many demons it gets its own chapter in the religious texts of hell about its holy fury.
-His armor was created by a repentant hellsmith, so it's imbued with all sorts of unholy magic. It has a flamethrower, a grenade launcher that can also fire freezing grenades, and rocket boosters that can be activated multiple times and let the Slayer go fast enough in bursts to turn enemies into chunky salsa by colliding with them.

I can drop more lore but yeah, he's disgustingly broken. Absolutely ridiculous beast lorewise and gameplaywise. Here's a gameplay showcase if anyone wants one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5_unTkV-Vs

doom guy and tifa

Also yes an enormous power jump occurred from OG Doom to Eternal. The old Cyberdemon reappears as a new enemy in Doom Eternal -- his breed gets homing shots, a plasma cannon, can dash and you still make an absolute mockery out of it. THE OG Cyberdemon reappears in Doom 2016 and gets upgraded with power armor that can rocket dash, the ability to perform terrain hax, an energy sword that can also fire sword waves and Satan personally resurrects it immediately after you kill it and you just kill it again. The Slayer is an absolute force of nature. He was Doomguy once! He's not anymore and Hell's forces are not Doom 1 and 2's.

If the BFG can one shot Master Chief and hes helpless to dodge it, why is it in this game? Chief isnt a slouch in tankiness

I'll have to look into it

I just know people REALLY like Doom Eternal and it's easy to hype Doom's universe off of "omg hell" so I'm taking this with a grain of salt right now until I've investigated

this is really making me wonder why chief and doomie are the same upkeep

If BFG one shots Chief, then any combination of Chiefs one-shot in game weapons one shot Doom Slayer so thats a wash

I will say Chief is easily tankier than a Doom Cyberdemon who takes like 3-4 BFG shots to take down.

BFG is presumably stronger here but how much. Order of 10s or 100s of times would be necessary to one shot imo

MajinZidane posted...

If the BFG can one shot Master Chief and hes helpless to dodge it, why is it in this game? Chief isnt a slouch in tankiness

Because there's ways to counter it or mitigate it. People can dive behind cover, it has a limited effective range so you can see it coming and take action, teleporting past it would leave the ball to do nothing...it's just a bad matchup here because I don't think Chief would expect a shot to go wide and then get hit by a laser blast that starts cooking him anyways. His own universe is superficially too similar to the Doomiverse and he's going to get blindsided due to that. Poor Squall is just squish by comparison.

okay so the BFG is useful in short range. MCs (almost everything) is useful in medium and long range. I think hell be okay.

Squall has access to all buffs in FF8. Haste, protect, shell, reflect, full life, regen. MC will be buffed.

And this is book MC who can throw a sticky grenade from a football field away with precision onto a target.

is he just flirting with Cortana while BFG gets into limited effective range or possibly providing a bit of counter fire?

MajinZidane posted...

okay so the BFG is useful in short range. MCs (almost everything) is useful in medium and long range. I think hell be okay.

Squall has access to all buffs in FF8. Haste, protect, shell, reflect, full life, regen. MC will be buffed.

And this is book MC who can throw a sticky grenade from a football field away with precision onto a target.

is he just flirting with Cortana while BFG gets into limited effective range or possibly providing a bit of counter fire?

Let's not bring in Cortana (or, realistically, The Weapon because Infinite chief is peak chief I think)

I'm uhh, very politely pretending VEGA is calculating how to run an entire planet or something instead of offering any help here

But yeah ranging the Slayer is Chief's best bet. I think the terrain isn't great for it though? It's as seen here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCkKCpJYyEA

Definitely some large spaces but not that huge before teams meet I think.

More than enough time for Chief to be buffed.

Chief has his Mjorlnir armor so he has his mobility tracker/radar and will see any movement BFG makes trying to get into range, cover or otherwise.

He wont get snuck up on and will be buffed. Squall has serviceable long range options with triple + any aga spell and will know where to aim thanks to Chief

First off I think Doom Slayer is way over tuned.

Secondly even if MC does considerable damage to him he's just gonna punch Squall for healing.

Big problem here is that Squall's buffs are way way better than Tifa's and Tifa getting to a range to dispel seems unlikely. Does Tifa even have haste? Like Doomslayer is going to outgun a Master Chief moving, aiming, and reacting, at double speed? Seems unlikely.

Squall gets the entire game worth of buffs and tifa gets access to the spell list in the write up, which I dont recognize any as haste or buffs?

She does have haste via Carbuncle yeah

It's a teamwide application iirc

What buffs does Squall give outside of Haste and Protect/Shell.

I forget.

Squall buffs
Tifa is killed at long range and is a non factor.
Squall casts Blind or Slow on Doomslayer

Isn't the match basically over at that point. If splash from blindly firing BFG becomes a problem Chief uses the gravity lift.

Squall also has Curaga and full life to keep Chief trucking in a mid or long range fight.

Chief will be just fine keeping himself in that range with his radar + haste. For fun he has grav lift as a free escape if he needs one in the terrain

Leaning MC right now

greengravy294 posted...

What buffs does Squall give outside of Haste and Protect/Shell.

I forget.

squall has every spell in FF8. See post #22 for a summary

https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Magic_(Final_Fantasy_VIII)

Keep in mind Squall has triple

He can basically simultaneously buff and debuff and dump a bunch of debuffs at the speed of one. He completely dunks on Tifa in terms of utility here

If MC and Doom trade long range shots with snipers, Squall has full life, curaga, regen.

Tifa has punching? Maybe Charka heals

Squall is super jobbing to Slayer before he becomes any sort of threat with healing tbqh

Remake Tifa probably whomps Squall, she is ridiculous. But it doesn't matter since yeah, whoever wins Chief vs Doomguy win the match (I don't know who wins that)

Only thing that gives me pause is Regen from Squall.

I respect Chiefs shields far more than his HP pool itself.

Gotta think on this one really

Lopen posted...

Squall buffs
Tifa is killed at long range and is a non factor.
Squall casts Blind or Slow on Doomslayer

Isn't the match basically over at that point. If splash from blindly firing BFG becomes a problem Chief uses the gravity lift.

That relies on Blind and Slow working. The Slayer can actually get hit by debuffs and shrug em off in Eternal. A notable one even slows him down and prevents dashing, in fact.

https://doom.fandom.com/wiki/Cursed_Prowler

Needless to say, the Slayer canonically fights through encounters with Cursed Prowlers, so I don't think it'd slow him down too much.

What's the highest damage weapon Chief has at about a mid-range, again?

I recall Doom Slayer being, like, ridiculously fast at... well, a lot of things, "outrunning his own rockets" being one, and Eternal has really only solidified that feeling from what I've seen. He is very good at getting in close, and if he gets in close, I respect his AoE a TON and think Squall is just turbodead in the crossfire.

With that said, I think Chief is more than willing to play this cautiously and I have never played a Halo match where I felt like it didn't take way too long to kill a space marine. What's Chief's upper firepower range, as I think that's probably the determining factor in how much he's able to do to the Slayer before he runs out of friends and also space to kite.

greengravy294 posted...

Squall is super jobbing to Slayer before he becomes any sort of threat with healing tbqh

I said in long range

Doom Slayer doesn't snipe though he bumrushes.

greengravy294 posted...

Doom Slayer doesn't snipe though he bumrushes.

man I wish I knew this when I was doing dps combos in doom eternal

(it's a joke because the most dps-efficient thing you can do in that game is swap between the sniper mode of the assault rifle and the long range argent beam ballista cannon and keep quickswapping to shoot both really fast until the enemy explodes)

Do agree he mostly likes to fight up close though. He'll snipe if he has to, but it's never gonna be his main choice

Okay while Doom Slayer bum rushes he gets shot and dies from hasted MC running away from him.

I mean the Slayer has his own energy shield so I don't think that's going to work that well

This is why I voted Slayer sight unseen, dude is very 'anything you can do I can do better' as far as chief goes imo

I just dont think hasted MC with radar is going to so easily be taken to close range if he doesnt want to be there.

Supplemental media Chief runs at 106 km per hour and can react to bullets and plasma shots in mid air. He dodges bullets point blank. Hes FAST and hasted

I just think if he rushes in he's going to get nailed with triple dispel into debuffs and suddenly Chief is better due to FF buff suite on him (and will remain better because he kills Tifa at long range before she can reapply them)

MajinZidane posted...

I just dont think hasted MC with radar is going to so easily be taken to close range if he doesnt want to be there.

Supplemental media Chief runs at 106 km per hour and can react to bullets and plasma shots in mid air. He dodges bullets point blank. Hes FAST and hasted

He does all that, yeah. The Slayer does too, and also he has a hookshot to Tarzan around with and rocket boosted dashes

(and y'know, also hasted, because why wouldn't he be if Chief is)

so doom slayer is simultaneously bum rushing and getting buffed makes sense

For real tho I don't think Chief is getting a chance to snipe Tifa repeatedly. Carbuncle auto revives her. She's not going to just stay out in the open after getting got once, and the idea that Chief can take his time to pick her off at leisure while the Slayer is up in his grill is silly. That's the furthest thing from an ignorable presence you can get. Odds are good that the homing rocket spam the Slayer can throw out keeps him pretty well suppressed here. No aiming required, no proximity either, just point in the general direction and force Chief to stay down or the micro missiles will blow him up.