Board 8 > Star Trek Mafia - Topic 13: Make It So

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Lopen
03/18/23 9:01:55 PM
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Game is over but keep talking here.

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SirChris
03/18/23 9:03:23 PM
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UltimaterializerX posted...
Scum chat?
It's in the end game post by sbell

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BlueCrystalTear
03/18/23 9:03:42 PM
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Lopen posted...
Anyway scum played super well and Han was not obvscum at all shut up dead town
He went from saying I'm townclear to pushing the lynch on Ben, who replaced me. Feels like grasping at straws that he himself turned into straws. Felt very calculated, and had I stayed in, he was my target.

Any town who seriously thought I was scum hasn't played with me before.

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Lopen
03/18/23 9:04:46 PM
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I thought you were scum actually (after crescent was the cop flip) as (partially-- obv I knew the setup) uninformed observer

You were too confident in lynches imo

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BlueCrystalTear
03/18/23 9:12:25 PM
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Lopen posted...
You were too confident in lynches imo
How so? I was being duped.

That and much of town played even worse than I did this game, and I played badly enough.

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wallmasterz
03/18/23 9:12:54 PM
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Ben, you were amazing especially for replacing in. You and ulti are town MVPs

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BlueCrystalTear
03/18/23 9:13:06 PM
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But I do appreciate the tip. I'll look to correct that whenever I play again (won't be for a couple months)

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ctesjbuvf
03/18/23 9:14:35 PM
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Ulti, you asked about BCT. I just couldn't really get a clear read either way.

I think the behavior shouldn't be that hard to fake.

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Lopen
03/18/23 9:14:48 PM
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I'm not saying it's a tip just that I read you as scum

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Chaeix
03/18/23 9:15:00 PM
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Yeah I will say that despite my slight critique from the last topic, Ben you played excellently and I offer my apologies.

Also because I haven't said it yet - great job scumteam.

for everyone's entertainment, here is the message i sent to sbell after the ben flip:

i'm taking a break after this game lmao

i honestly wanted to lynch sultan but just ran straight up ran out of time

i wasn't too concerned about it actually being lylo because han was 100% right about it being unlikely that it was a 4-person scumteam but my god i'm bad

i think it's sultan/lea

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ctesjbuvf
03/18/23 9:15:57 PM
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Man I had like the exact same reads as Ben except I didn't hard town clear the final scum and Ben gets all the credit =(

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ctesjbuvf
03/18/23 9:16:41 PM
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But I removed myself from town MVP discussions after killing Death so it's fair

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masterplum
03/18/23 9:17:08 PM
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I didn't read much of this game at all but stumbled on this post by lea

I take it one scum at a time. I don't replace into a game and instantly believe I know the entire scum team by picking players to arbitrarily believe

Made me instantly think Lea was scum because that sounded exactly like something I would say as scum

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SirChris
03/18/23 9:17:25 PM
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I was town mvp because I am the only one who got scum killed

Suck it town

(This is a joke)

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Peace___Frog
03/18/23 9:22:47 PM
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Glad you joined us, wallz.

Well played all scum. Nice gambit, Chris.

Ctes you had a really tough situation with your options.

Ulti played his role really well. Crescent was playing out of her mind.

Ben's activity lost the forest for the trees at times, but his reads were scarily accurate. He reads so well.

I think that han showed some weakness especially in days 2 and 3 but talked his way out of things really well.

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SirChris
03/18/23 9:27:57 PM
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UltimaterializerX posted...
Oh.

I knew I was flavor scanned night 1, and thought I had to actually save myself as a night action. Tried doing it night 2 but it turns out it was a passive. "Whoops."

Chris I'm confused about the replacement meta bit. It's not against the rules, so why is it unethical?

In many places it is against the rules.

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SirChris
03/18/23 9:28:14 PM
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SirChris posted...
In many places it is against the rules.
People will have a bold tag 'do not discuss replacements'

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ctesjbuvf
03/18/23 9:35:14 PM
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Also for everyone that suggested it I will give you

I could see myself trying to fake claim using a scum shot.

But no way I ever shoot claimed vanilla n1 as scum.

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Obellisk
03/18/23 10:39:40 PM
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Oh topic 13.

Thank you Lopen for the help stabilizing the game.

Thank you Peaf for cohosting and helping me talk things through.

I thoroughly enjoyed hosting.

I hope you all enjoyed a different game.

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Isquen
03/18/23 11:11:52 PM
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Blugh, I sucked at reading people this game.

Lea, are you the new MZero?

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HanOfTheNekos
03/18/23 11:13:41 PM
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Isquen, I'm sorry. I would have argued against your lynch if I was Town.

Peace___Frog posted...
I think that han showed some weakness especially in days 2 and 3 but talked his way out of things really well.

Imagine drawing "Survivor but you only win with Scum."

It's like drawing the worst role in Mafia, but somehow it's worse.

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HanOfTheNekos
03/18/23 11:14:59 PM
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I'm sure some people would have enjoyed it more than I did. I played the first day as standard... then after Chris flipped, I just rolled my eyes and let the rest of the next few days pass with easy lynches while just defending myself with what was true defense.

I couldn't defend against PoE, but I could defend against whatever Chris vs me D1 was being interpreted as.

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HanOfTheNekos
03/18/23 11:22:52 PM
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Seriously though, I made sure to include myself in every use of "Betrayed" during the game.

I used it early on and Dumey interacted, and then left me alone from there.

Ulti used it too, and later on, I did believe that Ulti could be Scum... when he agreed to mislynch Wall or whoever, I believed it.

I thought Ulti as Scum made a lot of sense - he would crucify Chris with Chris's go-ahead and then fakeclaim Doctor. And BP Doc is a little too strong lol

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HanOfTheNekos
03/18/23 11:23:38 PM
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I believe I currently hold the longest winning streak at 3 wins.

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SirChris
03/18/23 11:26:09 PM
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HanOfTheNekos posted...
I believe I currently hold the longest winning streak at 3 wins.
I believe I am on a 5 game win streak

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PunishedBen
03/18/23 11:43:16 PM
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Oh crap I never realized there was a new topic.

JC, I responded to you over on the scum board

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PunishedBen
03/18/23 11:50:51 PM
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Han, so who did you all think was scum on that last day?

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Lopen
03/18/23 11:59:21 PM
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HanOfTheNekos posted...
Imagine drawing "Survivor but you only win with Scum."

It's like drawing the worst role in Mafia, but somehow it's worse.

Technically you win with scum if you're lynched

Was that your main issue with the setup then. Traitor you can fully blame on me-- Sbell originally had a 4 player scum team with that weird double voter in it and I was like "thats too good for 4 scum-- hey does anybody make sense for Traitor in Star Trek and would you be cool with running a Traitor setup"

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HanOfTheNekos
03/19/23 1:05:58 AM
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PunishedBen posted...
Han, so who did you all think was scum on that last day?

At that point I was pretty sure it was Lea/Dumey.
I WAS looking at timestamps... to see if both were online before I voted Ctes.

There was a slight chance JC was the other Scum, but at that point, I had to assume that Lea/Dumey were the pair.

The problem was that I thought that Scum knew there was a Traitor for sure... and I think they didn't know? Which changes things completely for me. I probably straight up say "I am a member of Scum who doesn't know who the Scumteam is" at some point if that's the case.

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HanOfTheNekos
03/19/23 1:09:58 AM
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Lopen posted...
Technically you win with scum if you're lynched

Was that your main issue with the setup then. Traitor you can fully blame on me-- Sbell originally had a 4 player scum team with that weird double voter in it and I was like "thats too good for 4 scum-- hey does anybody make sense for Traitor in Star Trek and would you be cool with running a Traitor setup"

No, I had the argument in-game that 4 Scum was too strong - me being a Traitor evened it out. Me being Traitor and Scum not knowing I exist for sure made Town maybe a little too strong.

My issues with set-up were more personal - I don't like playing Scum, and this was playing Scum but without being able to talk to friends during the game.

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MZero
03/19/23 1:12:41 AM
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Isquen posted...
Lea, are you the new MZero?

Many have tried, many have failed

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Chaeix
03/19/23 1:24:02 AM
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Obellisk posted...
Oh topic 13.

Thank you Lopen for the help stabilizing the game.

Thank you Peaf for cohosting and helping me talk things through.

I thoroughly enjoyed hosting.

I hope you all enjoyed a different game.
I had a lot of fun despite making the wrong decision at every turn :()

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PunishedBen
03/19/23 1:27:29 AM
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HanOfTheNekos posted...
At that point I was pretty sure it was Lea/Dumey.
I WAS looking at timestamps... to see if both were online before I voted Ctes.

There was a slight chance JC was the other Scum, but at that point, I had to assume that Lea/Dumey were the pair.

The problem was that I thought that Scum knew there was a Traitor for sure... and I think they didn't know? Which changes things completely for me. I probably straight up say "I am a member of Scum who doesn't know who the Scumteam is" at some point if that's the case.
That is wild. Wild too that the scumteam was eating popcorn watching us battle. At least that makes me feel a little less bad about throwing Dumey in with the scum pile if you felt the same. Haha

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SirChris
03/19/23 1:34:06 AM
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PunishedBen posted...
That is wild. Wild too that the scumteam was eating popcorn watching us battle. At least that makes me feel a little less bad about throwing Dumey in with the scum pile if you felt the same. Haha

Broke: not knowing the entire scum team
Woke: no one knowing the entire scum team, even the scum

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HanOfTheNekos
03/19/23 1:40:40 AM
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Has a Scum ever tricked Scum into winning with them?

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Isquen
03/19/23 2:30:36 AM
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HanOfTheNekos posted...
Isquen, I'm sorry. I would have argued against your lynch if I was Town.

I'm fine with eating a mislynch as a vanilla! Better me than ctes, after all.

If anything the worst part about my dying was that I actually *did* make a concentrated effort to read day 1 and 2 over again when replacing and drew all the wrong conclusions before Sheep's flip and then couldn't swerve and readjust. My facepalm at wrongly guessing the scum team in dead chat is almost audible.

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wallmasterz
03/19/23 3:07:27 AM
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Yeah Isquen Im sorry for how that went for you. Thanks for replacing in

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Chaeix
03/19/23 3:39:56 AM
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Friends, I have a self-improvement request.

Im okay at spotting different possibilities and permutations and being curious about things, but when it comes down to narrowing down possibilities and proper decision time, I always seem to make the wrong choice.

Given my play this game, does anyone have any suggestions on how I can better identify the truth from the many possibilities that I spitball?

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Chaeix
03/19/23 4:04:33 AM
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UltimaterializerX posted...
Do you want the nice answer or the real one?
real one for sure, don't sugarcoat it but also like, i imagine it's possible to do so without crossing the line into insulting territory

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ctesjbuvf
03/19/23 4:09:26 AM
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I never considered the traitor role. I think I go for Han harder on the final day if I ever considered such. Because where I was at I did actually feel convinced Han probably was not on a Chris team at times, but I also really couldn't see him game solving from a town perspective.

Either way it kinda worked out for figuring out Lea.

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Chaeix
03/19/23 4:12:49 AM
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ctesjbuvf posted...
I never considered the traitor role. I think I go for Han harder on the final day if I ever considered such. Because where I was at I did actually feel convinced Han probably was not on a Chris team at times, but I also really couldn't see him game solving from a town perspective.

Either way it kinda worked out for figuring out Lea.
I think that was part of why I had so much trouble reading Han. He had some suspicious stuff but I couldn't shake the notion that a lot of his putting things together was from an uninformed place even if it felt like it detracted from things sometimes? Which ended up ultimately being exactly the case >.>

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ctesjbuvf
03/19/23 4:12:59 AM
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I never doubted even once you were town post N1, JC.

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SirChris
03/19/23 4:13:58 AM
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Chris' guide to scum hunting

1. Post until someone bothers me
2. Vote based off this
3. Ask others their thoughts on the thing you have a problem with
4. Do not unvote until that person has done something to remedy that first problem
5. repeat

Also if you are feeling lost try to find someone you trust and following one of their leads to see how it goes

Always try to remember how many town there should be. You usually have more friends than enemies so it is wise to assume you are talking to a friend until something says otherwise.

My biggest mistakes lately as town have been overestimating the complexity of play of players I didn't know. Trying to be too clever, basically. So I have simplified things a bit.

Also playing multiple games at once at very high skill levels. Chris you are a fucking idiot for that one.

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