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UnfairRepresent
03/18/23 11:03:13 AM
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Game is goergeous, fun as fuck, controls great.
The VAs did a fantastic job.

I think it gets a lot of flack because it followed RE2make and was no where near as good as RE2make.

But man if RE3make had come out first, people would praising how amazing it was. It's not a bad game at all. It's just not as good as RE2make.

RE2make included almost everything from the original, RE3make was missing a ton of content and that stung.

But the content we got was sweet. It's good solid game. One of the best horror games of the past 10 years. Wipes the floor with shit like Calisto Protocol or Outlast 2 or Siren Blood Curse or The Evil Within 2 or Layers of Fear 2 or Blair Witch or a Plague tale or Man of Maiden or Amnesia 3 or Maiden of Blackwater or Inside

And the big one that's gonna really piss off CE.

I thought it was way better than Last of Us 2.

It's no Alien Isolation or RE2make but it's a solid fun video game that I platinumed gladly (Except that "Kill X amount of specific enemy" Challenges which were nothing but a dull grind)

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ViewtifulJoe
03/18/23 11:08:29 AM
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You marked this topic as having spoilers.
Where are the spoilers? The game having kill x enemies challenges? Saying things were cut but not specifying what?

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Shadow_Don
03/18/23 11:09:00 AM
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It's not a bad game. Probably a solid 7 or 8. But it's a major disappointment. It could have easily been a 10 if they weren't trying to push it out immediately after RE2.

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party_animal07
03/18/23 11:10:10 AM
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As someone who never played the original, I enjoyed it (one of a few good quarantine memories) but it was way too short for a full priced game.

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WalkingLobsters
03/18/23 11:10:26 AM
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The problem is that it wasnt supposed to be Resident Evil 3. It was a spin-off. Code Veronica was supposed to be the real Re3

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DeepFriedSquid
03/18/23 11:16:36 AM
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Shadow_Don posted...
It's not a bad game. Probably a solid 7 or 8. But it's a major disappointment. It could have easily been a 10 if they weren't trying to push it out immediately after RE2.
IIRC RE3 REmake was in development before RE2 REmake.

RE3 Remake is a let down imo. Puzzles are only difficult if you're a first grader, the level design in the final act is trash, and Nemesis is 85% scripted. The game is also painfully linear. Remember the sewer sequence in RE3? It's a straight line with one loop in the middle. Meanwhile I've beaten RE2 several times and I couldn't tell you the complete layout of the sewer section.

Also exploring RPD while getting hunted down by Mr X was great. Doing QTE in RE3 is not. RE2 just felt like a great environment to explore. RE3 holds your hand and guides you down a hallway
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UnfairRepresent
03/18/23 11:16:42 AM
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WalkingLobsters posted...
The problem is that it wasnt supposed to be Resident Evil 3. It was a spin-off. Code Veronica was supposed to be the real Re3
Yeah but Code Veroncia sucked so who cares?

ViewtifulJoe posted...
You marked this topic as having spoilers.
Where are the spoilers? The game having kill x enemies challenges? Saying things were cut but not specifying what?
I'm pretty sure spoilers are gonna come up sooner or later

Probably best you don't read through the topic if you don't already know the plot of RE3

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DeepFriedSquid
03/18/23 11:18:20 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Yeah but Code Veroncia sucked so who cares?
Someone else that finally agrees with me on this statement. I thought I was alone
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ViewtifulJoe
03/18/23 11:19:17 AM
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I'd like to hear some exciting spoilers please.
Ideally from someone who loves this game.

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DeepFriedSquid
03/18/23 11:20:34 AM
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ViewtifulJoe posted...
I'd like to hear some exciting spoilers please.
Ideally from someone who loves this game.
Jill wields a giant anime laser and blasts the fuck out of a giant Nemesis mutant monster blob
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UnfairRepresent
03/18/23 11:27:18 AM
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ViewtifulJoe posted...
I'd like to hear some exciting spoilers please.
Ideally from someone who loves this game.
Nemesis turns into a dog for some reason
Takes an acid bath
Then Jill kills it with a big space lazer she found lying around

Also for some ungodly reason they changed it so Nemsis didn't kill Brad. A random zombie did. Which means Nemesis, the monster designed with the sole purposes of wiping out STARS members, fails to kill a single STARS member.

Idiotic change

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ChildOfHades
03/18/23 11:28:11 AM
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Shadow_Don posted...
It's not a bad game. Probably a solid 7 or 8. But it's a major disappointment. It could have easily been a 10 if they weren't trying to push it out immediately after RE2.


This has always been my stance on it.
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ViewtifulJoe
03/18/23 11:31:54 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Nemesis turns into a dog for some reason
Not a character I expected to be sacrificed to the furries but okay.
UnfairRepresent posted...
Takes an acid bath
Weird decision for an allegedly intelligent Tyrant.
UnfairRepresent posted...
Then Jill kills it with a big space lazer she found lying around
Kinda lame. Sounds boring.
UnfairRepresent posted...
Also for some ungodly reason they changed it so Nemesis didn't kill Brad. A random zombie did. Which means Nemesis, the monster designed with the sole purposes of wiping out STARS members, fails to kill a single STARS member.
That's kinda funny. That's also where having your name plucked out of the game's title will get you.

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Garioshi
03/18/23 11:36:42 AM
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WalkingLobsters posted...
The problem is that it wasnt supposed to be Resident Evil 3. It was a spin-off. Code Veronica was supposed to be the real Re3
RE3 was originally a spinoff called Resident Evil 1.9, and Code Veronica spun out of a failed Saturn port of RE2. The "real" RE3 was the HUNK cruise ship game, which stalled in development, so 1.9 was retooled into 3. The "real" RE3 at this point became the RE4 project, which spat out Haunting Ground and Devil May Cry before it settled on being RE4. If you want the "real" RE3, it's one of those games.

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Oh_Boy_
03/18/23 11:37:35 AM
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Just like the original, it's the worst main RE game and clearly a recycled mashup of assets that didn't make the deadline to launch RE 2(or some side game project).

The quality of the game doesn't need to be low for all of this to be true.
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ZevLoveDOOM
03/18/23 11:38:48 AM
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i never played the OG so i dont have a frame of reference to compare the remake to.

personally tho, i played it and enjoyed it. Nemesis always kept me on my toes! that fucker! lol

did not care much about that segment where you play as that other dude and go back to the police station from RE2 tho.
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UnfairRepresent
03/18/23 11:48:32 AM
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Oh_Boy_ posted...
it's the worst main RE game
https://youtu.be/Ja06DJrFe5E

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hyperskate65
03/18/23 11:52:09 AM
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Of course it's better than TLOU2. RE3 itself is better than TLOU2 so why would a remake be worse?

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Ricemills
03/18/23 11:54:52 AM
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WalkingLobsters posted...
Code Veronica was supposed to be the real Re3

This again?
No, CV was never intended to be RE3. It's always intended to be a side series.

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WhisperWolf2005
03/18/23 11:56:07 AM
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The truth is RE3 just isnt as good a game as RE2.
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SSJGrimReaper
03/18/23 11:58:19 AM
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Bitch couldn't even swim

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JeDDyD
03/18/23 11:59:11 AM
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It was mediocre, it cut content and made unnecessary changes.
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Ryven
03/18/23 12:04:55 PM
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I still pick it up every now and then because it isnt overly long but fun to blast through. I get why other people didnt like it, but I loved it.

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Pikachuchupika
03/18/23 12:06:27 PM
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Maybe if it wasn't called Resident Evil 3, it's not bad. But for Resident Evil 3, it's trash. The original is leaps and bounds better. They made too many changes, and removed too many things. Freeze rounds for me was the deal breaker. I loved freeze rounds in the original. They had a cool effect and worked well against Nemesis. Most of the locations and puzzles are either gone or reworked into lame versions.

RE3make is a damn tragedy.
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AlmightyCheeks
03/18/23 12:07:03 PM
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DeepFriedSquid posted...
Someone else that finally agrees with me on this statement. I thought I was alone
Nah, cv and 0 are pretty much regarded as bad re games

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UnfairRepresent
03/18/23 12:07:32 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]



I mean that's fair enough

A Remake is a chance to fix the OG original flaws.


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Pikachuchupika
03/18/23 12:13:04 PM
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To add to the wound, the remake lost a lot of the atmosphere and creepiness of the original. And that's mostly because the new locations just aren't as atmospheric. The clock tower and dead factory were very atmospheric and creepy. The new locations are just...meh.
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Lost_All_Senses
03/18/23 12:21:41 PM
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I think it's a game where your opinion will rightfully be effected by if you paid $20 or $60.

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CassandraCroft
03/18/23 12:22:19 PM
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I cannot belive the utter crap I have read in this thread.

Lets see now you praise that utter garbage cash grab in the RE3 Remake and call Code Veronica one of if not THE greatest RE game ever garbage!

The RE3 Remake was nothing but a shit cash grab with horrible graphics, no gameplay, no replay value, it was only 4 hours long, about 90% of RE3 was missing and the new look Jill was fucking ugly and Crapcom had the freaking gall and nerve to charge full retail value for this shit?

I played through this garbage once and then deleted it from my Xbox One S hard drive as I never want to see it again.

Oh and I found RE2 Remake very mediocre.

Code Veronica on Dreamcast rips apart these two games in every conceivable way.

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ViewtifulJoe
03/18/23 12:22:34 PM
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I'd like some more spoilers.

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UnfairRepresent
03/18/23 12:30:24 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

What load of bull

The only enemy missing in RE2make is the Spiders and it's not rushed at all. Enormous amount of effort went into that game and it has incredible game/level design and polish.

Nothing was really dropped with the A and B scenarios. They just put the plot into 2 scenarios instead of 4 so casual players didn't have to play the game 4 times to get the full plot. Which makes sense. Especially since Mr X was now a focal point of the game.

About the only things they cut were Spiders and taking ammo/weapons means the other character can't find it.

RE2make was jam packed game. It looked amazing, lighting was great, map was great, every single room was highly detailed, full of easter eggs and neat touches.

They even included the God damn "Wellcome Leon" as a joke

How in the wild world of sports was any of it rushed?

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Irony
03/18/23 12:31:51 PM
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Both remakes sucked. 3 clearly had significantly less effort put in.

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UnfairRepresent
03/18/23 12:32:18 PM
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Irony posted...
Both remakes sucked.
https://youtu.be/Ja06DJrFe5E

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Pikachuchupika
03/18/23 12:43:33 PM
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Another really cool thing removed was the rng and live selection . The original had randomized item locations for specific items. There were also different ways you could approach progression and how it affected the story. Nemesis appearing at random locations depending on where you went and what you did. Live selection was a cool feature that has never been replicated in an RE game

Oh yeah, no mercenaries. I freaking hate what they did to this game. The original was one of the best survival horror games and they screwed it.
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CassandraCroft
03/18/23 12:49:20 PM
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@UnfairRepresent

Give me this:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/0/1/AAfUmvAAEGFd.jpg
Any day over the ugly as sin version they had in the RE3 Remake.

Oh and by the way I love and adore Irony's post.

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kuwab0
03/18/23 12:57:48 PM
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I wish someone at Capcom would explain why Nemesis turns into a dog.

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SSJGrimReaper
03/18/23 1:04:59 PM
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nemesis said
https://gfycat.com/damagedcourageousicefish

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UnfairRepresent
03/18/23 1:21:46 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


To be fair Moth is referenced in the RE2make. So are lickers.

So yeah, Spiders and Crows. TBH I'm not crying over that loss. Would have been cool to see the Spiders but I don't think the lack of Spider enemies counts as "Massive missing content"

Especially when RE2make is so jammed full of content.

Although I do find it weird that spiders are absent. You'd think they would be easy to make an program.


This sounds like it was written by memory. You got a full experience from Claire/Leon A and Claire/Leon B with some slight differences. Even if your argument was "You have to play all 4 to get the bigger picture." You are still conceding to it being dumbed down. The major difference is that the original A and B scenario's flowed much better.

I don't agree at all WTF.

How is making a coherant improved plot told across 2 campaigns dumbed down and flows worse than an incoherant contradictory plot told across 4?

The big difference between the scenarios in the OG Game was Mr X. Aside from Mr X the gameplay was 90% identical, you just got some different cutscenes sometimes.

I think taking the whole plot and working into 2 scenarios makes sense. Especially since on Playthrough 3 and 4 and 5 you're likely skipping cutscenes anyway.

and Mr X appearing in the 1st scenario is absolutely an improvement. Ada and Sherry's sections have been vastly improved too.



The entire original point of this feature is to show what Claire or Leon were doing at the same time. This is why they don't fight the same bosses. This is why they don't see the same thing at the same time. Re2 Remake does this in the station. The second scenario character is behind the fence but after that? It's mostly the same.
I don't agree with this at all. The scenarios are pretty much the same. Only main difference is the lack of Mr X in the OG. And the Lighter/Small key nonsense.

Which IMO, both changes are an improvement


How does both leon and claire fight crowbar birkin in the same place for example? There's far better flow in the original. Let's not pretend there isn't. The classic game is superior in this regard.

Yeah I agree, they could have done better intertwining the stories. That was a missed oppotunity to improve on the OG. Claire and Leon barely interact.

Would have been neat if they had some different boss fights. I don't agree for a second that the clunky as fuck OG RE2 had better "flow" though.



Play the original again. I still speed run it. The scenario's were clearly rushed.

How?


Your "Only the spiders were cut" was the first sign you don't remember/didn't play the original.

Oh for the fuck sake.

You're one of those "If you disagee with me then you didn't play da game" guys.

Right. Sure. That's a key sign not to talk to you anymore.

kuwab0 posted...
I wish someone at Capcom would explain why Nemesis turns into a dog.
I think they were like "We can't just make you fight the same boss 5 times. We gotta shake it up"

I mean Calisto Protocol makes you fight the same boss 5 times and it's fucking woeful.

But dear God, Nemesis Dog was not the answer.

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ViewtifulJoe
03/18/23 1:23:13 PM
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Watched some, it's what I remember from a few years ago.

I chuckle at the start where you have to walk and then jog through a fire and then walk to a building and then stumble some more and then crawl very slowly under a sign then plod slowly while truck guy gets in a truck then crawl slowly through a low space then walk slowly to a helicopter then do the RE6 car starting QTE and then Nemesis shows up and then he's gone.

And then you have to wait behind Carlos while he dictates the slow pace you move at and then you get past and still have to jog through an empty subway and then go upstairs and then tiptoe while Carlos is on the radio and only then can the jogging simulation truly begin.

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Kimbos_Egg
03/18/23 1:48:46 PM
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no it doesn't.

It is by far the worst resident evil game.

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burns112233
03/18/23 1:51:25 PM
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I had fun with all the remake games.

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ZevLoveDOOM
03/18/23 1:57:40 PM
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i did feel like there was some shit cut out even tho i never played the OG. like that part where that russian guy double-crosses us.

at least i dont remember anything in the game properly setting it up before getting there...
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UnfairRepresent
03/18/23 2:08:00 PM
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Kimbos_Egg posted...
no it doesn't.

It is by far the worst resident evil game.
lol wut

I know subjective opinion and all that jazz

But really?

Worse than OG3?
Worse than RE0?

Worse than RE5?
Umbrella Chronicles?
Darkside Chronicles?
Gaiden?
RE4?
Outbreak?
Outbreak 2?
Code Veronica?
RE6?
Umbrella Corps?
Operation Raccoon City?
Mercenaries?
Dead Aim?
Survivor?
Survivor 2?
Resistance?

Not a hope


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32Legend
03/18/23 2:11:18 PM
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I think it's kind of weird either of them have less content. Wouldn't you add content in a remake?

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Kimbos_Egg
03/18/23 2:12:28 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
lol wut

I know subjective opinion and all that jazz

But really?

Worse than OG3?
Worse than RE0?

Worse than RE5?
Umbrella Chronicles?
Darkside Chronicles?
Gaiden?
RE4?
Outbreak?
Outbreak 2?
Code Veronica?
RE6?
Umbrella Corps?
Operation Raccoon City?
Mercenaries?
Dead Aim?
Survivor?
Survivor 2?
Resistance?

Not a hope

Absolutely.

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