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Ozmose
03/13/23 1:54:39 AM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/8/9/AAMabeAAERdZ.jpg

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keyblader1985
03/13/23 2:08:25 AM
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I'm surprised he's avoided consequences for so long; he's been committing hate crimes against Bowser since the N64.

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kind9
03/13/23 9:24:42 AM
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Is this a jab at the LGBT community? Usually when I see something like "LGBTQQIP2SAA+" I assume that's what's going on.

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chelle
03/13/23 9:05:14 PM
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kind9 posted...
Is this a jab at the LGBT community? Usually when I see something like "LGBTQQIP2SAA+" I assume that's what's going on.
Considering who TC is, I would be surprised if it wasn't an attack at them.
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SKARDAVNELNATE
03/13/23 9:12:46 PM
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kind9 posted...
Is this a jab at the LGBT community?
Pretty sure it's a jab at the news outlets blowing things out of proportion again.
https://wsvn.com/news/local/broward/bicyclists-caught-on-camera-defacing-pride-flag-mural-in-fort-lauderdale-beach/
If you paint something in a street then people are going to drive over it.

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Cruddy_horse
03/13/23 9:23:27 PM
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So did you get this meme from Facebook TC?
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MechaKirby
03/13/23 9:31:36 PM
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Red shells were virtually useless on this version of Rainbow Road

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chelle
03/13/23 9:54:38 PM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
Pretty sure it's a jab at the news outlets blowing things out of proportion again.
https://wsvn.com/news/local/broward/bicyclists-caught-on-camera-defacing-pride-flag-mural-in-fort-lauderdale-beach/
If you paint something in a street then people are going to drive over it.
It's a little bit more different when you go out of your way to leave skid marks, versus it just naturally being driven on.

That being said, you tend to always try and argue disingenuously about these things.
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adjl
03/13/23 10:07:08 PM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
Pretty sure it's a jab at the news outlets blowing things out of proportion again.
https://wsvn.com/news/local/broward/bicyclists-caught-on-camera-defacing-pride-flag-mural-in-fort-lauderdale-beach/
If you paint something in a street then people are going to drive over it.

For the sake of your hypothetical tires, I sincerely hope you don't drive if you think leaving skid marks constitutes normal driving.

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SKARDAVNELNATE
03/13/23 10:25:55 PM
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adjl posted...
For the sake of your hypothetical tires, I sincerely hope you don't drive if you think leaving skid marks constitutes normal driving.
I haven't been on a bicycle in about 20 years. From what I recall they skid when they stop unless you're going barely fast enough to stay upright.

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SKARDAVNELNATE
03/13/23 10:36:40 PM
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chelle posted...
you tend to always try and argue disingenuously about these things.
Let's talk about disingenuous arguments.

From the article...
Nobody is stopping them for living their life, and they shouldnt stop someone else,
They didn't stop anyone from living their life. They're kids on bikes. They didn't effect the life of anyone.

Why would somebody make the effort to scuff up somebodys elses life?
It's a painting on a street, not somebody's life.

We will not tolerate those people who try to exhibit hate in our community.
Kids would do that regardless of what colorful thing is painted there. Do they even know what it's suppose to represent? Yet this quote is treating it like it's an intentional hate crime to leave skid marks in a street.

Out of fairness I'll make the opposite argument.
Maybe those kids know exactly what it represents. Given how often they change it maybe those kids think that outdated version is too exclusionary. They want the variant with the purple circle and the umbrella painted there and they'll keep skidding their bicycles until they get it.

But I'd rather not assume anything.

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Krazy_Kirby
03/14/23 1:45:58 AM
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the fireball power is fairly crappy in double dash, certainly not worth using double fireball.

koopa troopa+koopa paratroopa is best. 6 red shells is crazy

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chelle
03/14/23 3:51:22 AM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
I haven't been on a bicycle in about 20 years. From what I recall they skid when they stop unless you're going barely fast enough to stay upright.
Even 20 years ago that wasn't actually a thing that happened unless you absolutely hammered the brakes, in which case you'd probably fly off of the bike.

You would also see little skid marks everywhere if that were the case, especially in bike-heavy places, and you uh, you kind of don't. Because it doesn't happen unless on purpose.
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BigOlePappy
03/14/23 4:04:23 AM
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What was the Donkey Kong level in Double Dash? Loved that one.

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adjl
03/14/23 8:51:18 AM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
I haven't been on a bicycle in about 20 years. From what I recall they skid when they stop unless you're going barely fast enough to stay upright.

Skidding and leaving skid marks are two very different things, plus that's really not true at all unless you're stopping harder than you typically should (and even then, it's mostly the back tire simply because of how the overall weight distribution shifts forward, rather than because there's so much friction that the tire disintegrates onto the road). Based this answer, I can change my comment to "for the sake of your hypothetical tires, I'm glad you don't drive, but if that means you have this little understanding of how driving and cycling work, perhaps you should stay out of such discussions and try to learn from people who actually understand what's going on."

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
Yet this quote is treating it like it's an intentional hate crime to leave skid marks in a street.

It's an intentional hate crime (or at least act of hate, since "crime" is a legal term that might not apply depending on local laws) to specifically deface pro-LGBT artwork. If you genuinely believe that it's merely a coincidence that all of these skid marks just happen to be on top/in the immediate vicinity of a pride flag, rather than a deliberate act by some homophobic dickwads, you're so hopelessly naive that I really don't know how to start helping you.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
But I'd rather not assume anything.

Are you familiar with the saying "keep an open mind, but not so open that your brain falls out"? Because you're not particularly acting like you are. That kind of "I don't want to jump to any conclusions" rhetoric is on the same level as flat-earthers who don't want to outright admit that they're flat-earthers, and so dance around committing to the position by disingenuously repeating things like "I just want to consider all possibilities." At best, it represents a complete failure to think critically about the subject at all, meaning you've done nothing to curate what possibilities are and are not actually plausible. At worst, it's deliberate homophobic dog whistling and you're trying to gaslight us into ignoring homophobic vandalism, meaning you're a festering turd of a human. You can either take your pick where you want to fall on that spectrum, or you can start thinking sensibly about the matter.

Krazy_Kirby posted...
the fireball power is fairly crappy in double dash, certainly not worth using double fireball.

koopa troopa+koopa paratroopa is best. 6 red shells is crazy

I was always fond of Paratroopa+Baby Luigi. Triple shells were the strongest option in higher places, while Chain Chomp was invaluable for catching up if I fell further back. But then that means you're playing a lightweight, which comes with its own drawbacks.

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SKARDAVNELNATE
03/14/23 10:58:36 AM
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adjl posted...
Are you familiar with the saying "keep an open mind, but not so open that your brain falls out"? Because you're not particularly acting like you are.
Are you deliberately missing the point? My opposite argument was meant to sound ridiculous, as ridiculous as the assumptions made in their reporting.

adjl posted...
and so dance around committing to the position by disingenuously repeating things like "I just want to consider all possibilities."
I did commit to a position. The position that I hate news outlets. Remember when I said this topic was a jab at the news outlets blowing things out of proportion?

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adjl
03/14/23 11:10:21 AM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
Are you deliberately missing the point? My opposite argument was meant to sound ridiculous, as ridiculous as the assumptions made in their reporting.
adjl posted...
If you genuinely believe that it's merely a coincidence that all of these skid marks just happen to be on top/in the immediate vicinity of a pride flag, rather than a deliberate act by some homophobic dickwads, you're so hopelessly naive that I really don't know how to start helping you.


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SKARDAVNELNATE
03/14/23 11:45:28 AM
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adjl posted...
<some bs>
You must be so gullible! You forgot why the news article was brought up and focused on what the news outlet wants you to focus on. In my opposite example I was speculating but what the news outlets do is present as fact things which they don't know themselves. If you knew any better you would take the mere fact that a news outlet says it as evidence of the opposite. The sad thing is, I don't think you do.

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adjl
03/14/23 11:52:42 AM
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So... because a news outlet is suggesting that it's a deliberate act by some homophobic dickwads, you genuinely believe that it's merely a coincidence that all of these skid marks just happen to be on top/in the immediate vicinity of a pride flag?

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SKARDAVNELNATE
03/14/23 11:56:40 AM
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adjl posted...
So... because a news outlet is suggesting that it's a deliberate act by some homophobic dickwads, you genuinely believe that it's merely a coincidence that all of these skid marks just happen to be on top/in the immediate vicinity of a pride flag?
Yes, exactly! They've been wrong about so many things before and made a big deal out of things that they put their own slant on that taking the opposite of what they as truth will be more likely to be representative of reality.

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keyblader1985
03/14/23 12:00:49 PM
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adjl man, you gotta stop picking on this dude.

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adjl
03/14/23 12:03:51 PM
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Alright, in that case:

adjl posted...
[Because] you genuinely believe that it's merely a coincidence that all of these skid marks just happen to be on top/in the immediate vicinity of a pride flag, rather than a deliberate act by some homophobic dickwads, [I'm afraid] you're so hopelessly naive that I really don't know how to start helping you.
adjl posted...
At best, [that] represents a complete failure to think critically about the subject at all, meaning you've done nothing to curate what possibilities are and are not actually plausible. At worst, [that's] deliberate homophobic dog whistling and you're trying to gaslight us into ignoring homophobic vandalism, meaning you're a festering turd of a human. You can either take your pick where you want to fall on that spectrum, or you can start thinking sensibly about the matter.

I appreciate that you're not actually making me write anything new beyond tweaking a couple prepositions to make the syntax more appropriate. This is a very convenient time-saver for me.

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SKARDAVNELNATE
03/14/23 12:13:41 PM
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adjl posted...
Alright, in that case:
So you really are that gullible. You're still focused on what the news outlets want you to focus on despite your mistake being pointed out. Further you're jumping to conclusions on your own with nothing more to go on than a poor understanding of news literacy.

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adjl
03/14/23 2:38:37 PM
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adjl posted...
I really don't know how to start helping you.

I will leave you with this point thing to consider: Categorically believing the opposite of everything you read in the news is exactly as stupid as categorically believing everything you read in the news. Either way, you're basing the entirety of your belief system on what the news tells you and not thinking about anything for yourself. You have not stumbled upon some genius "free-thinking" hack for figuring out the truth, even before considering the inescapable point that it's very easy to find multiple news outlets stating the opposite of what others state, rendering your approach logically impossible to follow through.

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SKARDAVNELNATE
03/14/23 3:00:01 PM
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adjl posted...
I really don't know how to start helping you.
You're the one who needs help. Look at how quickly you focused on a pride flag being involved. You jumped to conclusions about dog whistles and gas lighting when that wasn't the subject. Meanwhile you ignored the lack of evidence to support deliberate action and the credibility of the source.

I will leave you with this...
https://stonetoss.com/comic/frown-note/

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adjl
03/14/23 3:27:19 PM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
Look at how quickly you focused on a pride flag being involved.

There are literally millions of square feet of road surface in Fort Lauderdale (or so I assume, given that that's true of pretty much any city, especially in North America). I'd be very surprised if more than 1000 of those square feet have any sort of pro-LGBT artwork on them. The odds that two separate individuals/groups would deliberately deface a pro-LGBT patch of road over any other as a matter of random chance are pretty astronomically low. That suggests intent, for which the most obvious explanation is homophobic dickbaggery (especially in Florida). Unless you have evidence to the contrary, there's really no reason to expect there to be a need to dig deeper than that.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
You jumped to conclusions about dog whistles and gas lighting when that wasn't the subject.

No, I presented that as one extreme on the spectrum of possible reasons why you're acting like this. That was not a conclusion, merely a stated possibility. As it happens, I believe you are actually more on the clueless end of the spectrum than the evil end, but you'd be better to just get off that spectrum entirely by thinking sensibly about the matter. Again, your approach is comparable to flat-earther "logic" in how vague and non-committal everything you've said is.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
Meanwhile you ignored the lack of evidence to support deliberate action and the credibility of the source.

Just-released surveillance video captured the bicyclists skidding out over the rainbow pattern painted on the road symbolizing LGBTQ+ Pride back on Feb. 26.
Then, on Feb. 28 the same cameras captured a black Ford F-250 burning tire marks on top of the mural on Sebastian Street off A1A.

Both of those passages describe deliberate acts, caught on film. Again, leaving skid marks is not something that happens during normal driving. You'd know this, if you understood anything about driving, but you don't, so try listening to people that do. If you're leaving skid marks, it's because you're either braking, turning, or accelerating exceptionally hard, to the point where the tire disintegrates a bit because you're demanding more frictional force than can be provided by the material.

Sometimes, this happens accidentally, as a result of losing control or having to brake hard in an emergency situation. Otherwise, it's a result of deliberately driving/cycling in a way that causes tires to squeal. Again, the odds of such emergency situations randomly happening on top of the same pride flag twice are exceptionally remote, plus that would have been extremely obvious from the video. That means it was done deliberately (which would also be obvious from the video), and the low odds of this one spot of road being chosen randomly suggest that it was not chosen randomly (especially when there's such an obvious motive available).

Now, is it possible that the video does actually show accidental skidding, and the news article chose to lie about that for the sake of pushing a narrative about homophobia being a problem? Sure. But the odds of that are pretty low, given how common homophobic acts like this are (which means there's no real need to fabricate them), so I wouldn't advise giving serious consideration to that possibility. If you're bent on doing so, though, it's pretty easy to support the theory: Research the matter a bit, dig up the video, and use it to show us that there's no evidence of homophobic intent.

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Krazy_Kirby
03/14/23 4:12:31 PM
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what is happening in this joke topic?

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adjl
03/14/23 4:37:39 PM
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Krazy_Kirby posted...
what is happening in this joke topic?

Somebody's trying to deny that the actual homophobic hate crime (using the term "crime" colloquially, since I'm not sure what Florida's laws say on the matter) this joke topic is making light of (which is itself pretty homophobic) was a homophobic hate crime, based on a rather tenuous grasp of reality.

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SKARDAVNELNATE
03/14/23 6:57:00 PM
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adjl posted...
The odds that two separate individuals/groups would deliberately deface a pro-LGBT patch of road over any other as a matter of random chance are pretty astronomically low.
Skid marks on streets are pretty common. The only reason these skid marks draw attention is because there was already something else in the street. Just like how the Bermuda triangle doesn't have any more disappearances than any other part of the ocean but it draws attention because people were already looking for them there. Or you know how shoes scuff gymnasium floors? Do you think those are intended as a commentary on a given school's athletics program?

adjl posted...
As it happens, I believe you are actually more on the clueless end of the spectrum than the evil end
Then why bring that up as a possibility when you don't believe it to be the case? Did you think that I would care so much about what you think of me that I would shy away from being associated with that? Coming from you it means nothing.

adjl posted...
your approach is comparable to flat-earther "logic" in how vague and non-committal everything you've said is.
I have quite strongly committed to a position.

adjl posted...
Both of those passages describe deliberate acts, caught on film.
Nothing about that speaks to their intent. As I said already, kids will do that regardless of what colorful thing is left in the street. I don't know further details about the Ford so I'll assume coincidental mechanical failure. The alternative that you want me to believe is that those kids and a Ford driver cared so much about what is painted in the street that they made an effort to do something about it, but the best they could manager was to make it a little dirty. That stretches plausibility.

Hey, you like lumping people together. So you probably think those people share similar ideas about other things. Like they probably laugh at climate activist throwing soup at paintings and how the only attention they bring to their cause is how silly they look. It must seem quite ironic to you that they would end up doing the same thing.

adjl posted...
Again, leaving skid marks is not something that happens during normal driving. You'd know this, if you understood anything about driving, but you don't, so try listening to people that do.
I don't know what gated community you live in but skid marks are about as common as pot holes where I live. Maybe there's a correlation there.

adjl posted...
Research the matter a bit, dig up the video, and use it to show us that there's no evidence of homophobic intent.
Are you still going on about homophobia? That's not even what we're arguing about!

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adjl
03/15/23 8:20:48 AM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
Are you still going on about homophobia? That's not even what we're arguing about!

Then what is your position, if not "there's no reason to infer homophobic intent from these incidents"?

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
Oh noes, someone doesn't trust the news outlets.

That's not remotely what the joke is. The joke is poking fun at those that have taken issue with people defacing a pride flag with skid marks. It has nothing to do with the news. Stop trying to shoehorn everything into your ridiculous fixation on the news.

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SKARDAVNELNATE
03/15/23 6:45:18 PM
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adjl posted...
Then what is your position, if not "there's no reason to infer homophobic intent from these incidents"?

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
I did commit to a position. The position that I hate news outlets. Remember when I said this topic was a jab at the news outlets blowing things out of proportion?


adjl posted...
That's not remotely what the joke is.
Correct, you seem to understand humor at least. The joke is, again, a jab at the news outlets blowing things out of proportion. "Oh noes, someone doesn't trust the news outlets." is what your posts amount to.

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adjl
03/15/23 7:31:46 PM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
The position that I hate news outlets.

That's not a position on whether or not there's reason to infer homophobic intent from these incidents, which is all that's particularly relevant to the question I asked you.

That's also not a position you've actually committed to. Sure, you state it an awful lot, but you've put forth exactly zero effort to actually defend it, including outright ignoring substantial attacks on the philosophy. Committing to a position doesn't mean repeating it over and over again in the face of disagreement, it means justifying it and making a real effort to logically convince others that it's worth holding.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
The joke is, again, a jab at the news outlets blowing things out of proportion.

It's really not. It's a jab at the LGBTQ community being upset by anti-LGBTQ vandalism (while conspicuously not taking a jab at those that were so offended by the pride flag that they felt the need to vandalize it, as it typical of edgy right-wing memelords), a response which news outlets subsequently reported on (with varying degrees of slant from allyship to homophobic derision, depending on the biases of the outlet in question). That news outlets are reporting on it is entirely ancillary to the joke. Again, stop trying to shoehorn everything into your ridiculous fixation on the news. Nobody else cares like you do.

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SKARDAVNELNATE
03/15/23 7:56:56 PM
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adjl posted...
That's not a position on whether or not there's reason to infer homophobic intent from these incidents
That's not what we're arguing over. That was never what we were arguing over. However, did you already forget when I did relate those points? Whatever the news outlets say I take as proof as the opposite. Therefore, if they say there was intent that is proof that there wasn't.

adjl posted...
Sure, you state it an awful lot, but you've put forth exactly zero effort to actually defend it
It's an opinion. I defend have to defend shit. This the age when subjective opinions are more important than objective facts.

adjl posted...
it means justifying it and making a real effort to logically convince others that it's worth holding.
Do I even have to? If you've been paying attention at all it should be self evident. They lied about Covington. They Lied about Rittenhouse. They lied about the impeachment. They lied about bleach. They lied about fish tank cleaner. They lied about horse paste. They lied about the vaccine. They lied about the laptop. They lied about J6.

adjl posted...
That news outlets are reporting on it is entirely ancillary to the joke.
News outlets blowing things out of proportion is the joke. The LGBTQ flag being involved is entirely ancillary.

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chelle
03/15/23 8:06:58 PM
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chelle posted...
That being said, you tend to always try and argue disingenuously about these things.
Just a reminder to everyone that this is what he's doing.
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SKARDAVNELNATE
03/15/23 8:10:41 PM
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chelle posted...
Just a reminder to everyone that this is what he's doing.
You don't really believe that.

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adjl
03/15/23 8:12:06 PM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
It's an opinion.

Opinions only have as much value as you give them. Your opinion has been given no value, thus it has none.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
Do I even have to? If you've been paying attention at all it should be self evident. They lied about Covington. They Lied about Rittenhouse. They lied about the impeachment. They lied about bleach. They lied about fish tank cleaner. They lied about horse paste. They lied about the vaccine. They lied about the laptop. They lied about J6.

Even putting aside for a moment the question of whether or not "the news" actually lied about any of those things (bear in mind that, on every single one of those matters, "the news" has taken multiple mutually exclusive viewpoints and it is therefore overtly paradoxical to claim that they all lied, even before looking at the rather tenuous basis you have for that belief), that's nine things. Nine things, amid literally hundreds of thousands of stories every year. That's not exactly the most representative sample, you know.

You really need to take a step back and realize that what you're actually saying is not "the news always lies," but rather "any news that disagrees with what I've already decided must be true is lying." Insisting otherwise is just dishonest.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
News outlets blowing things out of proportion is the joke. The LGBTQ flag being involved is entirely ancillary.

You can keep saying this as many times as you want, but it's never going to be true. The actual intent of the joke is blatantly obvious to anyone with even the most cursory grasp of what's going on in the world. If you're interpreting it differently, that might be cause to re-evaluate the amount of attention you're paying.

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SKARDAVNELNATE
03/15/23 8:31:34 PM
#37:


adjl posted...
Opinions only have as much value as you give them. Your opinion has been given no value, thus it has none.
I value my opinions highly. How much you value them is your opinion which I don't care about.

adjl posted...
"the news" has taken multiple mutually exclusive viewpoints and it is therefore overtly paradoxical to claim that they all lied
Not only did they all have the same viewpoint, they all read from the same script.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksb3KD6DfSI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFsDnn9FjOQ

adjl posted...
that's nine things. Nine things, amid literally hundreds of thousands of stories every year.
Those are nine stories that garnered attention. How many more were lies that people ignored?

adjl posted...
The actual intent of the joke is blatantly obvious to anyone with even the most cursory grasp of what's going on in the world.
Which you apparently don't have.

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KalloFox34
03/15/23 9:17:18 PM
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And TC is gone.

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adjl
03/15/23 9:29:57 PM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
I value my opinions highly.

And yet you're unwilling to defend them. Hardly the behaviour of one who is rightfully confident in his opinions.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
Not only did they all have the same viewpoint, they all read from the same script.

I don't even have to watch those videos to know that that's a tiny sample of the wide range of news outlets out there, one which is far too small to support a conclusion as broad as "all of them do this."

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
Those are nine stories that garnered attention. How many more were lies that people ignored?

I don't know, how many more were? Perhaps you should conduct research to answer that question instead of generalizing from a non-representative sample.

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SKARDAVNELNATE
03/15/23 9:50:18 PM
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adjl posted...
I don't even have to watch those videos to know that that's a tiny sample of the wide range of news outlets out there, one which is far too small to support a conclusion as broad as "all of them do this."
This cup I scooped up some of the ocean with is full of water now. However, this is too small of a sample size so I cannot conclude that the ocean contains any more than 1 cup of water.

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adjl
03/15/23 9:56:38 PM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
This cup I scooped up some of the ocean with is full of water now. However, this is too small of a sample size so I cannot conclude that the ocean contains any more than 1 cup of water.

You actually believe that finding 4-5 news outlets saying the same thing means every single news outlet also says the same thing? If anything, what you've done is more analogous to believing that your kitchen is underwater because somebody brought you a glass of water from it.

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SKARDAVNELNATE
03/15/23 10:05:20 PM
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adjl posted...
If anything, what you've done is more analogous to believing that your kitchen is underwater because somebody brought you a glass of water from it.
That would depend on how many times my kitchen has been underwater before. If every time someone brings me a glass of water they're also wearing a snorkel I might start to notice a patern.

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