Poll of the Day > I think I've finally outgrown Pokemon....

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The last two mainline entries I've yet to finish (Legends Arceus and Scarlet). But I've played other games in the meantime.

It's not a problem for me though because I've always wanted to retire from Pokemon....

legends isn't a mainline entry.

makes sense that you didn't finish scarlett, as it's even worse than sw+sh

Krazy_Kirby posted...

legends isn't a mainline entry.

makes sense that you didn't finish scarlett, as it's even worse than sw+sh

I suppose so....

perrserker is one of the best pokemon of all time, so i just can't hate gen 8.

Nade_Duck posted...

perrserker is one of the best pokemon of all time, so i just can't hate gen 8.

I like the Pokemon themselves and I try to seperate them from the other stuff.

I didnt outgrow pokemon I would still like the games if they were actually good after gen 5 omegalul

I've decided to finally quit Pokemon in 2 weeks after the last episode of the Ashime ends.

Relax it'll come around again it always does

Yeah I havent finished scarlet either, dont ever really intend to

It's not OUR fault newer pokemon games aren't any good... I just replayed Crystal and it was still really good

Aside from Arceus I think the fangames are generally better than the new official games. Pocket Crystal League ++ is especially good (though not a typical Pokemon game).

Yeah, Scarlet/Violet will be the first main games I don't pick up (well, besides Sun/Moon).

Judgmenl posted...

I've decided to finally quit Pokemon in 2 weeks after the last episode of the Ashime ends.

Why? Unless it's actively harming your life somehow, actively deciding to "quit" a piece of entertainment doesn't make much sense. Drifting away because it's no longer fun? Sure. But not formally saying "I have decided to quit this" (again, unless you're trying to break an addiction or similarly recognizing the harm of continuing to enjoy it).

Many people on this site have, but don't want to admit it.

adjl posted...

Why? Unless it's actively harming your life somehow, actively deciding to "quit" a piece of entertainment doesn't make much sense. Drifting away because it's no longer fun? Sure. But not formally saying "I have decided to quit this" (again, unless you're trying to break an addiction or similarly recognizing the harm of continuing to enjoy it).

It has been a long time coming. In the last year (since BDSP) I've seem many bad decisions made by TPCI that I don't agree with, and I have greatly enjoyed the final arc of the anime (basically everything starting with Masters 8 through Aim to be a Pokemon Master). They are creating a very convenient stopping point as someone who originally got into Pokemon in 1999. I also don't play video games anymore (apart from live service games I've played for 10+ years already) and don't see myself as a demographic that Nintendo wants to reach anymore.

FWIW, Aim to be a Pokemon Master is my favorite anime of this season, assuming the next two episodes stay consistent with the pacing the series has seen so far it will be the perfect ending for me. The only thing that will be left untold is where the remaining source code is from the 2020 Gigaleak and if it still exists (mainly the original Red/Green source code if it exists), but it seems like people largely do not care about that stuff anymore, and the majority of the fanbase is more interested in shiny collecting, fan mods and Pokemon GO style games which I am just not interested in.

I could go into detail, but I doubt that many people would care. I am just old now.

That's all well and good, but that just supports "I'm not really interested in this anymore," not a situation where you need to formally decide to quit.

adjl posted...

That's all well and good, but that just supports "I'm not really interested in this anymore," not a situation where you need to formally decide to quit.

Why I enjoyed Pokemon originally has deviated significantly. The last year of the anime is the one exception because it has heavily (and I mean heavily) relied on nostalgia and hype building as a source of its quality. Aim to be a Pokemon Master is in the style of the "old" Pokemon anime (If you don't know, the companions for this series are Brock and Misty, and Ash uses a very diverse distribution of his Pokemon). I played SwSh for around 4 months and then it sunk into that cycle of "Bank/Home/whatever gets unlocked and all of the "super fans" go rabid and it's not fun anymore" that has been happening for the past decade. PLA was a direction that I was not at all interested in, and Gen 9 furthered that direction. TPCI's current product lineup and their desire to create and push outright dystopian spyware like Pokemon Sleep just further pushes me away.

2020 was a huge year for Pokemon for me because of all of the old beta / source code leaks that happened. It made me realize what I liked about old Pokemon and new Pokemon does not have it. And then with respect to Game Freak, with Masuda close to retirement and Ohmori being the series lead mixed with games journalism wanting things I want (see the post I just made about JRPG and FFXVI) I just don't see the point anymore. There's no reason to waste cycles thinking about something that I'm not the target for anymore. I also don't support the existence of "Expansion Passes" in JRPGs full stop.

I really didnt care for sword and shield but loved arceus and scarlet.

Judgmenl posted...

Why I enjoyed Pokemon originally has deviated significantly. The last year of the anime is the one exception because it has heavily (and I mean heavily) relied on nostalgia and hype building as a source of its quality. Aim to be a Pokemon Master is in the style of the "old" Pokemon anime (If you don't know, the companions for this series are Brock and Misty, and Ash uses a very diverse distribution of his Pokemon). I played SwSh for around 4 months and then it sunk into that cycle of "Bank/Home/whatever gets unlocked and all of the "super fans" go rabid and it's not fun anymore" that has been happening for the past decade. PLA was a direction that I was not at all interested in, and Gen 9 furthered that direction. TPCI's current product lineup and their desire to create and push outright dystopian spyware like Pokemon Sleep just further pushes me away.

2020 was a huge year for Pokemon for me because of all of the old beta / source code leaks that happened. It made me realize what I liked about old Pokemon and new Pokemon does not have it. And then with respect to Game Freak, with Masuda close to retirement and Ohmori being the series lead mixed with games journalism wanting things I want (see the post I just made about JRPG and FFXVI) I just don't see the point anymore. There's no reason to waste cycles thinking about something that I'm not the target for anymore. I also don't support the existence of "Expansion Passes" in JRPGs full stop.

Again, I'm not saying you're wrong to lose interest. Just that it's weird to formally "quit" instead of just not bothering with whatever new stuff comes out. It makes a bigger deal out of it than it is.

adjl posted...

Again, I'm not saying you're wrong to lose interest. Just that it's weird to formally "quit" instead of just not bothering with whatever new stuff comes out. It makes a bigger deal out of it than it is.

I have a trend in doing this. I quit Runescape for 9 years and came back to a totally different, more enjoyable game.

That still doesn't have to be a formal "I quit" sort of scenario. Just "I'm bored of this, I'm going to do something else," followed a few years later by "I've been hearing that it's improved, maybe I'll give it another chance." Sub-based MMO's are a bit weird in that you do have to make a deliberate decision to un-subscribe when you stop playing them, but that's still less a matter of "I'm quitting" and more "I just don't think I'll resub this month."

I don't think age is related.

It's not that they aren't good anymore, it's just that they don't change things up to keep things fresh for long term players and they just rely on a constant influx of kids/teenagers

The director of Zelda outright said Zelda wouldn't survive if it didn't change up the formula, Say what you want about BotW, but it succeeded in keeping people interested.

Yellow posted...

It's not that they aren't good anymore, it's just that they don't change things up to keep things fresh for long term players and they just rely on a constant influx of kids/teenagers

The director of Zelda outright said Zelda wouldn't survive if it didn't change up the formula, Say what you want about BotW, but it succeeded in keeping people interested.

I might argue that S/V did about as much for the Pokemon formula as BotW did for Zelda. The shift to focusing on exploration in an open world was a pretty substantial change to the core gameplay element of "explore the world and catch fantastic creatures," given how linear and restrictive prior games tended to be in that regard. The battle system didn't change meaningfully (sure, tera types add an extra layer of prediction to competitive play that's mildly interesting, but there haven't been any core improvements), and I won't pretend that the transition to open-world design happened seamlessly (notably, keeping the classic "you need this many gym badges to use pokemon caught at this level or higher" mechanic threw an unnecessary wrench into that freedom), but Gen 9 was a pretty substantial paradigm shift for the series that ties in well with why Pokemon Go was so explosively popular (namely, people like the idea of just running around and collecting Pokemon).

Now, BotW did more to change the Zelda formula than just shifting to open-world exploration. ALBW might actually be the better analogy, where the basic formula was preserved, but the player was free to explore the whole map pretty much right away and tackle dungeons in whatever order they liked best. But I don't think anyone would have liked BotW less if it had more robust dungeons, and in fact that would likely have cut down on the fairly common "good game, but a terrible Zelda" response a lot of people had to it. You don't need to change up a series that much to keep people's interest. People don't follow series to find games that are unlike anything they've played before. People follow series to find games that are familiar and predictable. There's still certainly a need to mix things up so you're not just selling the same game with a new coat of paint every time, but if you're looking for a change in how a series fundamentally works, it might be time to just accept that you aren't actually interested in that series and shouldn't expect your nostalgia fix to also satisfy your desire to play something brand new.

I got incredibly bored of Pokemon when I bought Gen 5 back when it came out. I was so excited too, but I was just burnt out on it. I started the find all the gameplay super slow, and agreed with a lot of the popular criticism of certain Pokemon designs. Probably got 1-2 badges and put it down. I did the same with X, which I found way worse, and then stopped buying. I guess that means I took a...8 year break or so? I started buying Pokemon games again a couple of years ago, mostly to experience Gen 5, as people online did really seem to love them. I really appreciate them as the final 2D games now.

The 3DS games, I look upon poorly. I'll still probably play through Omega Ruby and Ultra Sun since I have copies, but I'm not that thrilled.

Was less than impressed by coverage of Sword/Shield. Same with Shining Pearl/Brilliant Diamond.

Amidst all this, I still replay gen 1 + 2, and a little bit of 3 a fair bit in the past 5 years.

annnnd I got back in by buying Arceus and Violet. Arceus is overall awesome. Violet is a big shift, and janky as hell, but I've had a lot of fun with it.

the last one I liked was ultra sun.

I didn't play regular s/m, r/s remakes.
didn't like b/w+b/w2

i've found something to enjoy about just about all of them. took a break for gen 5 but went back later and at least still really appreciate the artwork. finished gen 8 but didn't do any endgame stuff and it felt like a slog. i don't think i even have my first badge in this gen.

don't think it's a matter of age or maturity, the games have just felt increasingly weak and soulless. i really liked gen 7 but will admit that it started at least around then. that said, the pokemon designs have been awesome. just feels like everyone other than the art team is tired of making traditional pokemon games.

Those mystery dungeon games sound fun

VampireCoyote posted...

Those mystery dungeon games sound fun

they are highly regarded... but I have a personal beef against them