Poll of the Day > I cannot believe Starbucks asks for a tip

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Like at minimum most of their drinks are $5 a cup now right? They don't do restaurant/waiter ect type service or anything either right? And unless you order online they are pretty slow AF (still slow even when ordering online but at least that way you don't have to feel it)

Its a crime that they are even ASKING for a tip. Not about whether they get one or not...its bad that they even ask and shouldn't even be allowed to do that. I don't care about free speech or my right to choose to not give one...I don't even want to be made aware that there's even a possibility to give them that extra in some way... It's painful for me to even know that its an option they present to anyone.

Everywhere asks for tips. I literally saw a tiktok of a landlord saying we should tip landlords with rent. Everyone wants more.

Jen0125 posted...

Everywhere asks for tips. I literally saw a tiktok of a landlord saying we should tip landlords with rent. Everyone wants more.

doesn't the landlord know that rent already is their tip?

wait, tip isn't the right word. tips are for services provided, and landlords don't provide a service in the first place

Clench281 posted...

doesn't the landlord know that rent already is their tip?

wait, tip isn't the right word. tips are for services provided, and landlords don't provide a service in the first place

He said he deserved a tip because he's "on call 24/7 to make sure the house is maintained." idk about you but I've NEVER had a landlord respond immediately to an emergency lol

well at least some respect can be granted to someone who does the bare minimum of property management duties, which is at least some amount of work

which is better than landlords who literally do nothing but pay someone else to manage the property, then collect the profits from rent

Jen0125 posted...

He said he deserved a tip because he's "on call 24/7 to make sure the house is maintained." idk about you but I've NEVER had a landlord respond immediately to an emergency lol

If you live in an apartment complex you can get true emergency response if something crazy is going on, but it's never the landlord that shows up here. If a landlord lives on site and does all maintenance I guess there is a chance he might truly be available 24/7 but I doubt that.

Jen0125 posted...

Everywhere asks for tips. I literally saw a tiktok of a landlord saying we should tip landlords with rent. Everyone wants more.

They probably got lambasted in the comments.

First, all jobs should have to pay minimum wage. It is that way in WA where I live, In CA as well and I think in Oregon.

Second about 50% of americans make within 5$ of minimum wage. Anyone making within that amount should be exempt from tipping, period.

IF you make more than 20$ an hour (or equivalent per year (20*40=800*52=about 42k), you should tip. That should ALSO be determined based on how much you actually make as well. 5% for anyone making 40k-60k, 10% for anyone making 60k-80k, 15% for anyone making 80k-100k and 20% for anyone making 100k an up.

Most of my life I worked jobs where I didn't make as much as the people I was tipping, and I always tipped at least 5$ or 18-20% (rounded up) whichever was greater. I did that while I was making 30k as a teacher, I did it when I was making 15$/hr as an electronic tech (min wage was much lower then), I did it now when I was making $9/hr (12 total, but wyzant takes 25% of what you make, so it ends up being $9 an hour).

Considering the people I was tipping get at least $15 an hour base here and tips that generally blow that away, that is totally not fair no matter how you look at it. I still tip because I have had many friends who work jobs with tips and bad tip days, and not getting tips, can really ruin their days/make them unhappy.

Basically in America you either tip, or you make someone upset because you didn't.

That is wrong, especially for about 50% of the population.

Tipping should only be done by the wealthy who have more money then the people being tipped. My friend who worked at a mcmellons got about 600$ a night in tips in 6 hours, worked 3 days a week, and didn't even count/care about his base pay at all.

Tipping positions often pay more than attorneys for many years after they get their license, doctors and in some cases even engineers. People in tech jobs that have gone to school, incurred expenses and worked in the field for 10 years are making 40-60k a year. A good tipping job can make that much working part time.

I rarely if ever eat out now, considering I barely go into town twice a month, and don't usually eat out when there. Tipping $5 isn't breaking my bank, it makes a $15 meal cost $20 (I literally just leave a 20 for a 14.66$ bill). It's not a huge impact on me or my life, but I still think it needs to change, because it's just rediculous how many people who are making near min wage are tipping people who make so much more then them. It's not fair at all.

wolfy42 posted...

First, all jobs should have to pay minimum wage. It is that way in WA where I live, In CA as well and I think in Oregon.

Second about 50% of americans make within 5$ of minimum wage. Anyone making within that amount should be exempt from tipping, period.

IF you make more than 20$ an hour (or equivalent per year (20*40=800*52=about 42k), you should tip. That should ALSO be determined based on how much you actually make as well. 5% for anyone making 40k-60k, 10% for anyone making 60k-80k, 15% for anyone making 80k-100k and 20% for anyone making 100k an up.

Most of my life I worked jobs where I didn't make as much as the people I was tipping, and I always tipped at least 5$ or 18-20% (rounded up) whichever was greater. I did that while I was making 30k as a teacher, I did it when I was making 15$/hr as an electronic tech (min wage was much lower then), I did it now when I was making $9/hr (12 total, but wyzant takes 25% of what you make, so it ends up being $9 an hour).

Considering the people I was tipping get at least $15 an hour base here and tips that generally blow that away, that is totally not fair no matter how you look at it. I still tip because I have had many friends who work jobs with tips and bad tip days, and not getting tips, can really ruin their days/make them unhappy.

Basically in America you either tip, or you make someone upset because you didn't.

That is wrong, especially for about 50% of the population.

Tipping should only be done by the wealthy who have more money then the people being tipped. My friend who worked at a mcmellons got about 600$ a night in tips in 6 hours, worked 3 days a week, and didn't even count/care about his base pay at all.

Tipping positions often pay more than attorneys for many years after they get their license, doctors and in some cases even engineers. People in tech jobs that have gone to school, incurred expenses and worked in the field for 10 years are making 40-60k a year. A good tipping job can make that much working part time.

I rarely if ever eat out now, considering I barely go into town twice a month, and don't usually eat out when there. Tipping $5 isn't breaking my bank, it makes a $15 meal cost $20 (I literally just leave a 20 for a 14.66$ bill). It's not a huge impact on me or my life, but I still think it needs to change, because it's just rediculous how many people who are making near min wage are tipping people who make so much more then them. It's not fair at all.

how about businesses have transparent prices for customers and transparent wages for employees, with no tipping nonsense involved. Then everyone knows what they labor is worth and what their money will get them. Everyone wins!

even if you have more money, doesn't mean you should always tip.

take-out order, strabucks or things like it, don't deserve tips, they are handing you your order.

they didn't deliver your order, or wait on you while you ate

It varies from state to state, but in most states, "tipped employees" have a much lower minimum wage rate than regular employees. In Nebraska, for instance, the minimum wage rate for tipped employees is $2.13 per hour.

Now, the Fair Labor Standards Act requires that all employees receive at least the federal minimum wage ($7.25) for their combined minimum wage rate plus tips, so if someone receives very poor tips their employer must make up the difference. Individual states can set their own higher minimums; Nebraska, for instance, has a minimum wage of $10.50, so any employee who does not make $8.37 in tips must be paid the difference by their employer.

Alaska, California, Guam, Minnesota, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, and Washington require the employer to pay the minimum wage as the base rate, plus tips on top of that.

captpackrat posted...

It varies from state to state, but in most states, "tipped employees" have a much lower minimum wage rate than regular employees. In Nebraska, for instance, the minimum wage rate for tipped employees is $2.13 per hour.

Now, the Fair Labor Standards Act requires that all employees receive at least the federal minimum wage ($7.25) for their combined minimum wage rate plus tips, so if someone receives very poor tips their employer must make up the difference. Individual states can set their own higher minimums; Nebraska, for instance, has a minimum wage of $10.50, so any employee who does not make $8.37 in tips must be paid the difference by their employer.

Alaska, California, Guam, Minnesota, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, and Washington require the employer to pay the minimum wage as the base rate, plus tips on top of that.

Starbucks aren't tipped employees. They're hourly.

In most states, if you give an employee a tip, their boss doesn't have to pay them as much money, so you're not helping the employee, you're helping the business owner.

captpackrat posted...

In most states, if you give an employee a tip, their boss doesn't have to pay them as much money, so you're not helping the employee, you're helping the business owner.

No. Tipped employee is a specific pay type. Any job can ask for tips but not every position that does is paid as a tipped employee is.

DrYuya posted...

Like at minimum most of their drinks are $5 a cup now right? They don't do restaurant/waiter ect type service or anything either right? And unless you order online they are pretty slow AF (still slow even when ordering online but at least that way you don't have to feel it)

Its a crime that they are even ASKING for a tip. Not about whether they get one or not...its bad that they even ask and shouldn't even be allowed to do that. I don't care about free speech or my right to choose to not give one...I don't even want to be made aware that there's even a possibility to give them that extra in some way... It's painful for me to even know that its an option they present to anyone.

And these are Starbucks customers. Some of the most entitled people I've met with very little thought of others but a lot of thought caring what others think of them

Jen0125 posted...

Alaska, California, Guam, Minnesota, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, and Washington require the employer to pay the minimum wage as the base rate, plus tips on top of that.

All states should do that, actually they should make that a federal law. I can't believe they have not done that yet with any president, just shows our government doesn't give a fluck about people just trying to get by in this country.

I have tipped even in CA/WA, even though I don't think I should have to. I can't imagine people NOT tipping in places where people depend on it for wages, but if the company still has to pay them min wage no matter what, then yeah the initial tips would go to the company basically and not the employee.

Whole system is screwed up in the US though and I wish it would get fixed, although again, I guess it's pretty much too late to matter to me anymore. Sure would have saved a FREAKTON over my life if I hadn't had to tip though.

Tipping does have its uses, when you tip well and go to the same place on a regular basis. My spouse and I used to go to Sizzler every Friday after work. He'd leave an absurdly large tip, sometimes as much as 50%, and they treated us like gods. They'd leave the iced tea pitcher at our table for my spouse, and they'd bring me a whole plate full of cheese toast.

I don't mind tipping at sit down restaurants. I'm used to that. But I'm not tipping for every single transaction I make.

captpackrat posted...

Tipping does have its uses, when you tip well and go to the same place on a regular basis. My spouse and I used to go to Sizzler every Friday after work. He'd leave an absurdly large tip, sometimes as much as 50%, and they treated us like gods. They'd leave the iced tea pitcher at our table for my spouse, and they'd bring me a whole plate full of cheese toast.

I mean surely the massive tips head leave would just pay for the cheese toast ?

Jkd91 posted...

I mean surely the massive tips head leave would just pay for the cheese toast ?

Tips go to the server, so unless they use their own tip money to pay for his cheese toast, then no

Server gets more money and customer gets more food. The restaurant is the one that takes the hit on the cheese toast plate but I doubt they care unless they already have bad food costs

Tipping hasn't made any logical sense in years, but it's particularly out of control now. It no longer has any connection with now good your service is and is more about 'do you respect your server (or the person who hands you a coffee) or not'.

I vote for whoever said "make pricing/wages transparent" such that we can choose to avoid the places that pay their employees like crap and try to solve the actual problem as opposed to this make-a-show-of-it performance tipping.

wpot posted...

Tipping hasn't made any logical sense in years, but it's particularly out of control now. It no longer has any connection with now good your service is and is more about 'do you respect your server (or the person who hands you a coffee) or not'.

It definitely has a connection, do you work for tips?

I asked for tips at my job and supervisor said those are called bribes and an ethics violation

Muscles posted...

It definitely has a connection, do you work for tips?

It should, but I don't think it does except for the 2% of time someone is unusually good or unusually bad. Everybody else gets the same 18-20% from me at restaurants. (Well, except for people who just hand me my fast food - they get a buck or two) I think most people are the same - we just look at it as paying part of the servers' salary.

wpot posted...

It should, but I don't think it does except for the 2% of time someone is unusually good or unusually bad. Everybody else gets the same 18-20% from me at restaurants. (Well, except for people who just hand me my fast food - they get a buck or two) I think most people are the same - we just look at it as paying part of the servers' salary.

Most of the time that's what the service is worth, are you aware of how bell curves work?

I am indeed: it actually seems that you are not. A bell curve wouldn't describe a situation where 98% of the results in the middle are the same with the top and bottom 1% getting a couple bucks more or less. What I am describing is a flat rate with a couple extreme outliers.

Jen0125 posted...

No. Tipped employee is a specific pay type. Any job can ask for tips but not every position that does is paid as a tipped employee is.

Yes, that's true. However, what is the defining measurement for determining who is a "tipped employee" or not?

I'll tell you.

It's if the employee can receive a tip for the service they provide.

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So if they start receiving tips, then the employer can recategorize them as a "tipped employee" and then cut their wages.

Tom_Joad posted...

Yes, that's true. However, what is the defining measurement for determining who is a "tipped employee" or not?

I'll tell you.

It's if the employee can receive a tip for the service they provide.

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So if they start receiving tips, then the employer can recategorize them as a "tipped employee" and then cut their wages.

No? It's whether or not they are classified as a tipped employee by the government. You guys don't understand what tipped employment actually means.

Jen0125 posted...

No? It's whether or not they are classified as a tipped employee by the government. You guys don't understand what tipped employment actually means.

https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/wages/wagestips

A tipped employee engages in an occupation in which he or she customarily and regularly receives more than $30 per month in tips. An employer of a tipped employee is only required to pay $2.13 per hour in direct wages if that amount combined with the tips received at least equals the federal minimum wage. If the employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 per hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference. Many states, however, require higher direct wage amounts for tipped employees.

As you were saying...

Most of these places don't consistently receive that much in tips. And if they do, it'd be totally up to them to switch to that pay style. Starbucks doesn't pay as a tipped job so why bother discussing it like it does?

Jen0125 posted...

Most of these places don't consistently receive that much in tips. And if they do, it'd be totally up to them to switch to that pay style. Starbucks doesn't pay as a tipped job so why bother discussing it like it does?

Because it's a way for franchise owners to recategorize their employees as "tipped employees." There's an incentive to do so at the expense of the employee (who likely does not realize what will happen), as it means the franchise owner can then pay their employee the "tipped employee" hourly wage.

By not tipping the Starbucks employee, you are helping save their position as a regular employee. And if you let them know the consequence of asking for a tip, they can inform the rest of the crew about the shenanigans that the owner might be up to.

*pulls out knife* And I've got a little TIP for you, get the POINT?

Can an employer just deem their employees as tipped salary?

I thought it had to be a job where tips were common for that to happen like working as a wait staff at a typical sit down restaurant or something. Like if I run say a plumbing business and my employee receives a tip on average of 1 in 50 jobs does that mean I can then claim they are a tipped employee? Seems like a pretty damn ridiculous thing to me in that case, if you are receiving tips all the time sure maybe there is some leeway there but tips that are super rare should not trigger this.

Monopoman posted...

Can an employer just deem their employees as tipped salary?

I thought it had to be a job where tips were common for that to happen like working as a wait staff at a typical sit down restaurant or something. Like if I run say a plumbing business and my employee receives a tip on average of 1 in 50 jobs does that mean I can then claim they are a tipped employee? Seems like a pretty damn ridiculous thing to me in that case, if you are receiving tips all the time sure maybe there is some leeway there but tips that are super rare should not trigger this.

All it takes is a change with HR regarding how the company files your withheld taxes.

Of course, they have to have proof that the employee is now making tips...

BlazeAndBlade posted...

*pulls out knife* And I've got a little TIP for you, get the POINT?

that's not a knife, this is a knife.

Monopoman posted...

Can an employer just deem their employees as tipped salary?

I thought it had to be a job where tips were common for that to happen like working as a wait staff at a typical sit down restaurant or something. Like if I run say a plumbing business and my employee receives a tip on average of 1 in 50 jobs does that mean I can then claim they are a tipped employee? Seems like a pretty damn ridiculous thing to me in that case, if you are receiving tips all the time sure maybe there is some leeway there but tips that are super rare should not trigger this.

They could change it but it'd change your tax structure and you could quit and just go work at any other coffee shop that isn't being unreasonable. This person is trying to talk about an issue that isn't happening for some reason lol

Krazy_Kirby posted...

that's not a knife, this is a knife.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/1/3/AAHJwsAAERS1.jpg

OHJOY90 posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/1/3/AAHJwsAAERS1.jpg

that's not a knife, that's a spoon

i can