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gildedwings
03/04/23 7:35:16 AM
#303:


CyricZ posted...
Yes anyone who would read that would interpret it as misanthropic. That's what some would call "sociopathy".
Tbh I feel like people have called me everything at this point. I don't see why it's a big deal to hate if I'm not unleashing my hate on people. I like to hate in peace and only talk about my hate in situations like this.

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CyricZ
03/04/23 7:36:34 AM
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Well that's one way to manage it.

The only question is what does that attitude mean for you? Are you happy with your situation? Or at least content?

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gildedwings
03/04/23 7:43:46 AM
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CyricZ posted...
Well that's one way to manage it.

The only question is what does that attitude mean for you? Are you happy with your situation? Or at least content?
Quite satisfied, never happy. But quite satisfied. After all, hate is the only way I've survived. There's nothing else fueling me. I have nothing else anymore.

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If it's not cheap, my healthcare is sleep because America is expensive sometimes. I have been to therapy as well as took antidepressants, there was no positive effect at all so I stopped.

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Slayer_22
03/04/23 8:16:47 AM
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Guys, can we all just agree the harassment was fucked up and the people who did the harassment don't deserve even the slightest bit of respect or sympathy?

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Kloe_Rinz
03/04/23 8:33:39 AM
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Slayer_22 posted...
Guys, can we all just agree the harassment was fucked up and the people who did the harassment don't deserve even the slightest bit of respect or sympathy?
certain people dont want to admit that harassment & bullying are wrong or dont think what they're doing is harassment/bullying
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mario2000
03/04/23 10:45:40 AM
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Slayer_22 posted...
Guys, can we all just agree the harassment was fucked up and the people who did the harassment don't deserve even the slightest bit of respect or sympathy?

Yes, we can all agree that. Unfortunately it seems like you can't correct certain people on basic facts or else they think you endorse bullying, somehow.

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hockeybub89
03/04/23 10:46:44 AM
#312:


CyricZ posted...
But here's the thing, hockeybub.

All I have to do is say "you're not an ally" and you fucking flip your shit in defense mode.

So if you're going to judge others collectively, and lump everyone you don't like into a singular "side", be prepared to receive.
Here's the thing: I don't view getting defensive as a tell. I think it is a perfectly logical response to someone hearing an accusation or a lie about them. Personally, I am unnerved if someone isn't defensive in response to an accusation. You would do well to remember that I am not neurotypical.

Who am I lumping and judging as a side. I just don't think we should point fingers when we are buying silly video games that give money to the Chinese cause, the Saudi cause, the anti-worker cause, etc. All I have ever said is I personally do not believe boycotts are anything more than a personal cause. It's pretty clear that the fascist genocide is upon us and only some very actions against the entire system will save us.

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hockeybub89
03/04/23 10:49:21 AM
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Yes, we can all agree that. Unfortunately it seems like you can't correct certain people on basic facts or else they think you endorse bullying, somehow.
Why can't we all just be better than Republicans? Why do people from all walks have to fall into the same nonsensical arguments, such as "Yeah this is bad, but let me be very pedantic about some detail and never directly decry the bad action".

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mario2000
03/04/23 2:18:37 PM
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Why can't we all just be better than Republicans? Why do people from all walks have to fall into the same nonsensical arguments, such as "Yeah this is bad, but let me be very pedantic about some detail and never directly decry the bad action".

Because it has fuck all to do with the fact that the vtuber was already planning to quit for a long time, yet people keep insisting otherwise?

It's a correction on the level of "the sky is blue, not yellow". Shouldn't be a big deal or controversial at all.

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Slayer_22
03/04/23 5:26:38 PM
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More people are worried about defending the harassers I guess.

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gmanthebest
03/04/23 7:34:40 PM
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Slayer_22 posted...
More people are worried about defending the harassers I guess.
I mean, she was gonna retire anyway, who cares if she gets harassed? /s

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hockeybub89
03/04/23 8:05:11 PM
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mario2000 posted...
Because it has fuck all to do with the fact that the vtuber was already planning to quit for a long time, yet people keep insisting otherwise?

It's a correction on the level of "the sky is blue, not yellow". Shouldn't be a big deal or controversial at all.
And it expedited that retirement. The harassment is the key point here. "Streamer stops streaming because they feel like doing something else" wouldn't be much controversy or cause for argument here.

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the_pika
03/04/23 9:51:59 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
And it expedited that retirement. The harassment is the key point here. "Streamer stops streaming because they feel like doing something else" wouldn't be much controversy or cause for argument here.

I dont feel Mario is being honest with that argument tbqh
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Slayer_22
03/04/23 10:15:41 PM
#324:


CyricZ posted...
But here's the thing, hockeybub.

All I have to do is say "you're not an ally" and you fucking flip your shit in defense mode.

So if you're going to judge others collectively, and lump everyone you don't like into a singular "side", be prepared to receive.
You're calling someone who is LGBT, a huge supporter, and prides themselves on that, not an ally. It's like me bringing up the stuff you've said. Of course you're gonna get mad about that, what kind of point are you making? Lol.

And talk about judging others collectively. You do the same stuff. Pot, meet kettle over here.

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gmanthebest
03/05/23 4:10:41 AM
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CyricZ posted...
But here's the thing, hockeybub.

All I have to do is say "you're not an ally" and you fucking flip your shit in defense mode.

So if you're going to judge others collectively, and lump everyone you don't like into a singular "side", be prepared to receive.
It's almost like people who have done nothing but accept LGBT people and helped them for years get upset when they're suddenly called "not an ally" over a damn videogame. Especially when the people who are calling them "not an ally" use Twitter and other things owned by people who have the same (if not worse) views as Rowling.

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deoxxys
03/05/23 7:41:44 AM
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Yeah I know theyre dumb

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CyricZ
03/05/23 8:10:17 AM
#327:


gmanthebest posted...
It's almost like people who have done nothing but accept LGBT people and helped them for years get upset when they're suddenly called "not an ally" over a damn videogame. Especially when the people who are calling them "not an ally" use Twitter and other things owned by people who have the same (if not worse) views as Rowling.
Now flip that around.

Trans people in your life say "please don't buy this damn video game and support Rowling" and the response was "BUT I NEED TO".

Took no effort to not support Rowling, but apparently that was too much to ask. Because muh video games. Because muh Harry Potter childhood. Couldn't manage this one simple thing.

And now you've all enjoyed a mid-as-fuck open-world blandness at the expense of any trans people who thought they could count on you. I hope it was worth it.

https://youtu.be/uNKyQVsgKLg?t=972

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gmanthebest
03/05/23 8:28:06 AM
#328:


CyricZ posted...
Now flip that around.

Trans people in your life say "please don't buy this damn video game and support Rowling" and the response was "BUT I NEED TO".

Took no effort to not support Rowling, but apparently that was too much to ask. Because muh video games. Because muh Harry Potter childhood. Couldn't manage this one simple thing.

And now you've all enjoyed a mid-as-fuck open-world blandness at the expense of any trans people who thought they could count on you. I hope it was worth it.

https://youtu.be/uNKyQVsgKLg?t=972
Yes, that's the argument of someone who isn't emotionally mature enough to separate the art from the artist. What's your point? Also pretty funny that you ignore the point about the most vocal anti-Hogwarts Legacy people are using Twitter to harass and bully others

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Slayer_22
03/05/23 8:36:18 AM
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Cyric is seriously pulling out some of the worst arguments I've ever seen. Dude refuses to support Rowling, who honestly in the grand scheme of things is a drop in the pan compared to shit like Saudi Arabia, and is saying people are not an ally for supporting them...then supporting Saudi Arabia funded companies like Nintendo and Twitter if you want to be the ally you preach to others about not being.

"Don't support Twitter and Nintendo."

"But I NEED TO!"

The hypocrisy.

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CyricZ
03/05/23 8:42:36 AM
#330:


gmanthebest posted...
Yes, that's the argument of someone who isn't emotionally mature enough to separate the art from the artist. What's your point? Also pretty funny that you ignore the point about the most vocal anti-Hogwarts Legacy people are using Twitter to harass and bully others
Yes, what is that "point", exactly? That you're desperate to find an equivalent to exonerate yourself in buying Hogwarts? That you'll say "posting a Tweet" is exactly the same as "dropping sixty dollars"? That you'll seek anything to establish yourself as "not the bad guy"? Which is why this topic was made?

When the argument is "trans people aren't emotionally mature enough and HOW DARE YOU tell us to not buy a video game to support you" what is anyone meant to make of that? Who is the emotionally immature one?

Slayer_22 posted...
Dude refuses to support Rowling, who honestly in the grand scheme of things is a drop in the pan
Yes, also this argument:

"It's not important to stop Rowling she's not important."

She's literally supporting the charge to remove gender rights from the UK and you don't fucking care.

Slayer_22 posted...
"Don't support Twitter and Nintendo."
Because you don't believe that. You never believed that.

You just wanted to be retaliatory on this issue specifically. You wanted a counter-hit in your pocket so that you can feel better about it.

You don't actually want people to boycott Twitter or Nintendo, and you never will.

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Slayer_22
03/05/23 8:45:45 AM
#331:


CyricZ posted...
Yes, also this argument:

"It's not important to stop Rowling she's not important."

She's literally supporting the charge to remove gender rights from the UK and you don't fucking care.
I don't? What are you basing this off of? I'm genuinely curious, because I do, but yet you're throwing out assumptions like you're sure I don't.

Meanwhile, don't you have a Twitter account? Played any Nintendo games recently? Saudi Arabia does 100 worse things to transgender individuals than JK Rowling would in her worst dreams. Yet...

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CyricZ
03/05/23 8:50:31 AM
#332:


Slayer no one every accused of ever actually defending your morality.

You only challenge people to prove you're immoral.

And that there is the least moral of all.

There's a reason I had you blocked for a year; there's no point trying to establish you're not a good person, because you're nothing but a pile of denial.

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Slayer_22
03/05/23 8:50:44 AM
#333:


Because you don't believe that. You never believed that.

You just wanted to be retaliatory on this issue specifically. You wanted a counter-hit in your pocket so that you can feel better about it.
You don't actually want people to boycott Twitter or Nintendo, and you never will.

I don't actually care, this isn't a fight I care about. Small fish in the grand scheme to me. But you're being a hypocrite. Stop critiquing people and saying they aren't an ally if you're gonna spin around and do similar stuff then get mad at others. It's annoying, and Hockeybub definitely doesn't deserve it.

Get off your high horse, stop judging others. Just say 'hey, I don't want to support it for personal reasons'. Then be a total hypocrite in your comments towards others. That's my issue here. I don't care what you do or don't support or purchase. I care about you insulting a dude who doesn't deserve it.

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gmanthebest
03/05/23 8:52:01 AM
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Thankfully the people who claim that allies aren't allies are just terminally online people who need to touch grass. Can't imagine someone acting like that in real life

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Slayer_22
03/05/23 8:54:39 AM
#335:


CyricZ posted...
Slayer no one every accused of ever actually defending your morality.

You only challenge people to prove you're immoral.

And that there is the least moral of all.

There's a reason I had you blocked for a year; there's no point trying to establish you're not a good person, because you're nothing but a pile of denial.
You had me ignored. And I believe that was because I said you should apologize for the comments you made.

But yes, I'm totally not a good person. With your entire realization of this based entirely on...what, exactly? Arguing with you or gunpla or something because the stuff you guys said was morally reprehensible?

Meh. I stand by the things I've said in that regard.

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Derplander
03/05/23 8:55:16 AM
#336:


CyricZ posted...
Took no effort to not support Rowling

This part is correct, because buying Hogwarts Legacy and supporting Rowling are two separate things.
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CyricZ
03/05/23 8:58:05 AM
#337:


This topic was never about Pikamee.

Did any of you know she's made multiple streams since this topic was made? You could have supported her, but I guess that wasn't the important thing.

Oh one person did post a Pikamee-adajcent video I guess.

It was me.

This topic was never about Pikamee.

It was about people looking to ensure that they're not the bad guys for their position on the Hogwarts Legacy issue.

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gmanthebest
03/05/23 9:01:06 AM
#338:


CyricZ posted...
This topic was never about Pikamee.

Did any of you know she's made multiple streams since this topic was made? You could have supported her, but I guess that wasn't the important thing.

Oh one person did post a Pikamee-adajcent video I guess.

It was me.

This topic was never about Pikamee.

It was about people looking to ensure that they're not the bad guys for their position on the Hogwarts Legacy issue.
Not really. Mostly because we already know we're not bad people for buying a game. The only bad people in this situation are people who buy the game specifically to upset people and people who harass and bully others over buying a videogame

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DarthWendy
03/05/23 9:01:55 AM
#339:


CyricZ posted...
She's literally supporting the charge to remove gender rights from the UK and you don't fucking care.

Im pretty sure Slayer cares about gender rights. He just doesnt care about the UK.
I mean, have you SEEN their food ?

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Slayer_22
03/05/23 9:03:29 AM
#340:


CyricZ posted...
This topic was never about Pikamee.

Did any of you know she's made multiple streams since this topic was made? You could have supported her, but I guess that wasn't the important thing.

Oh one person did post a Pikamee-adajcent video I guess.

It was me.

This topic was never about Pikamee.

It was about people looking to ensure that they're not the bad guys for their position on the Hogwarts Legacy issue.
So...the only reason we should care about harassment is if we are personally involved in the matter?

I think the harassment is disgusting. Plain and simple. The fact that the harassment is about Hogwarts Legacy means little. I didn't play TLoU2 or watch TRoS, didn't support those at all, but still found the harassment the actors got disgusting.

Am I only justified to feel that way if I follow their Instagrams or support their movies or something? Or...what am I missing here? That I can't dislike harassment unless I support the person being harassed's content?

Explain it to me, because I'm lost here.

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CyricZ
03/05/23 9:04:22 AM
#341:


I can only feel so much disappointment for someone who simply buys Hogwarts. That dries up quickly. That's something to move on from.

It's when people commit themselves to topic after topic, week upon week, of defending how good and right and just it is to buy their wizard game.

That's the wellspring of disappointment that doesn't run dry, or apparently hasn't run dry yet.

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Derplander
03/05/23 9:07:11 AM
#342:


CyricZ posted...
I can only feel so much disappointment for someone who simply buys Hogwarts. That dries up quickly. That's something to move on from.

It's when people commit themselves to topic after topic, week upon week, of defending how good and right and just it is to buy their wizard game.

That's the wellspring of disappointment that doesn't run dry, or apparently hasn't run dry yet.
You should feel no disappointment as buying Hogwarts Legacy isn't supporting Rowling. They are again, two separate things. Sounds like you just want to try and virtue signal more than anything else.
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gmanthebest
03/05/23 9:08:53 AM
#343:


CyricZ posted...
I can only feel so much disappointment for someone who simply buys Hogwarts. That dries up quickly. That's something to move on from.

It's when people commit themselves to topic after topic, week upon week, of defending how good and right and just it is to buy their wizard game.

That's the wellspring of disappointment that doesn't run dry, or apparently hasn't run dry yet.
Because you have immature people like gunpla and the people on her side trying to make people seem transphobic over a videogame. People are going to get offended when people lie about them and say that they're not allies because they bought a videogame. Maybe try not lying?

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CyricZ
03/05/23 9:10:15 AM
#344:


Derplander posted...
You should feel no disappointment as buying Hogwarts Legacy isn't supporting Rowling. They are again, two separate things. Sounds like you just want to try and virtue signal more than anything else.
When the only remaining big topics about the controversy are about people defending the game, that's the virtue signal.

Don't tell me who I should or should not feel disappointment in. CE provides regularly.

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CyricZ
03/05/23 9:12:08 AM
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gmanthebest posted...
Because you have immature people like gunpla and the people on her side trying to make people seem transphobic over a videogame. People are going to get offended when people lie about them and say that they're not allies because they bought a videogame. Maybe try not lying?
Gunpla's been gone for weeks man, and yet the topics persist.

Sure she got banned, but other trans people have left CE too, or hadn't you noticed?

And I guess my only real question in response to your post is, who are you to claim yourself an ally if others tell you that you're not?

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CyricZ
03/05/23 9:13:57 AM
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Ally-ship is not a card you carry. It's not a stamp or a document. It's a perception by others. It's about your words and actions.

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ThePieReborn
03/05/23 9:15:30 AM
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Fucking come off that lofty high horse bullshit.

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gmanthebest
03/05/23 9:15:59 AM
#348:


CyricZ posted...
Gunpla's been gone for weeks man, and yet the topics persist.

Sure she got banned, but other trans people have left CE too, or hadn't you noticed?

And I guess my only real question in response to your post is, who are you to claim yourself an ally if others tell you that you're not?
I'm an ally because I've always been supportive of trans rights. You think some nobody on the internet claiming that I'm not an ally makes me not an ally?

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gmanthebest
03/05/23 9:17:19 AM
#349:


CyricZ posted...
Ally-ship is not a card you carry. It's not a stamp or a document. It's a perception by others. It's about your words and actions.
Funny that so many "allies" are using Twitter to bully and harass others. I'm sure you don't consider them allies, right?

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Derplander
03/05/23 9:17:27 AM
#350:


CyricZ posted...
Ally-ship is not a card you carry. It's not a stamp or a document. It's a perception by others. It's about your words and actions.

You aren't the determining factor though.
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Slayer_22
03/05/23 9:17:31 AM
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I haven't bought the game, nor do I really have plans to. But apparently I can't get offended at someone getting harassed because I'm actually just "defending how good and right and just it is to buy [my] wizard game."

Or whatever.

Meanwhile we got a dude in here who shows hypocrisy in his support of Saudi Arabia while saying others aren't allies for their dollar maximum to Rowling.

Oh he's also going to every Hogwarts Legacy topic to call others not allies despite the..."wellspring of disappointment that doesn't run dry, or apparently hasn't run dry yet." in going "to topic after topic, week upon week," defending his personal stance on this whole situation.


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Slayer_22
03/05/23 9:18:34 AM
#352:


CyricZ posted...
Ally-ship is not a card you carry. It's not a stamp or a document. It's a perception by others. It's about your words and actions.
...like supporting Saudi Arabia?

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gmanthebest
03/05/23 9:24:06 AM
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What happens if a trans person buys the game? Is that legal?

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