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Seanchan
02/28/23 3:57:24 PM
#51:


swordz9 posted...
How about that bill just introduced in Florida that would notify all registered Democrat voters their party has been canceled and theyre now No-Party voters? This country really could only benefit it basically every R politician was sent off planet permanently

https://floridapolitics.com/archives/591585-blaise-ingoglia-bill-would-cancel-democratic-party/

Oy vey...

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Peace___Frog
02/28/23 5:33:13 PM
#52:


Seanchan posted...
https://theintercept.com/2023/02/05/ron-desantis-florida-villages-oren-miller/

It's a bit of a long read. Basically amounts to "fuck with the establishment and they'll fuck you three times as hard".
Fucking hell. Every story coming out of Florida these days is a nightmare.

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Hbthebattle
02/28/23 5:37:37 PM
#53:


desantis is seeing what exactly he can get away with

turns out, a fucking lot

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TheRock1525
03/01/23 2:31:31 AM
#54:


DeSantis is very much about solely picking fights he can win, which I have absolutely no idea how he can stand up to Trump or Biden.

It's easy to do what he did to Disney when they aren't going to up and move an entire park. It's easy to bring the hammer down on a fucking Villages commissioner.

How the hell is he gonna deal with someone like Trump?

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LightningStrikes
03/01/23 3:45:36 AM
#55:


This is literally what dictators do.

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Thorn
03/01/23 1:11:27 PM
#56:


"You libs are deranged fearmongerers, they're not going to go after abortion and gay marriage"

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-politics-and-policy/iowa-lawmakers-propose-ban-sex-marriage-rcna72759

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masterplum
03/01/23 1:14:05 PM
#57:


Thorn posted...
"You libs are deranged fearmongerers, they're not going to go after abortion and gay marriage"

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-politics-and-policy/iowa-lawmakers-propose-ban-sex-marriage-rcna72759

That directly violates federal law. It doesn't get cleaner cut than that

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Xeybozn
03/01/23 1:29:11 PM
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masterplum posted...
That directly violates federal law. It doesn't get cleaner cut than that

Yeah, this has zero chance of happening. It's just Democrats trying to scare people with something that literally can't be done legally, just like when they used to do the same thing with abortion. Banning gay marriage is going to be just as unsuccessful as that was, and for the exact same reasons.

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Grimlyn
03/01/23 1:41:47 PM
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https://twitter.com/dril/status/35713808747986944

how tf does dril do it

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Kenri
03/01/23 2:03:09 PM
#60:


masterplum posted...
That directly violates federal law. It doesn't get cleaner cut than that
Republicans are constantly allowed to violate federal law without repercussion.

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LightningStrikes
03/01/23 2:42:15 PM
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The wording of the bill is also very obviously trying to go after trans people, and there it could cause some problems. Never mind the fact that biological male/biological female are incredibly deficient terms and you cant just easily reduce people to that.

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Forceful_Dragon
03/01/23 3:22:27 PM
#62:


Xeybozn posted...
Yeah, this has zero chance of happening. It's just Democrats trying to scare people with something that literally can't be done legally, just like when they used to do the same thing with abortion. Banning gay marriage is going to be just as unsuccessful as that was, and for the exact same reasons.

"trying to scare people"?

The other side is STILL trying to DO shit like this. Regardless of how unbelievable or (currently) illegal it may be, the fact that it is being attempted is the scary part and the reason it deserves attention.

Roe vs Wade was precedent.
Roe vs Wade was safe.
Until it wasn't.

So yeah, don't call it fear mongering when it's the type of thing that should absolutely instill fear. It deserves to be discussed and have light shone on it. Let's have the outcry BEFORE something along these lines passes, rather than afterwards.

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AriaOfBolo
03/01/23 3:26:45 PM
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I think that post was sarcasm

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Xeybozn
03/01/23 3:41:55 PM
#64:


AriaOfBolo posted...
I think that post was sarcasm

Hey, I do think an effort to allow states to ban gay marriage has a good chance of being as "unsuccessful" as the attempt to allow states to ban abortion was.

Meaning of course that it's pretty likely for the courts to allow it. Didn't think I'd need an "/s" to make that clear.

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swordz9
03/01/23 3:44:22 PM
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Just wait til they go for segregation after too. They wont stop til anyone who isnt white, rich and Hetero is as oppressed as possible if they get full control
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masterplum
03/01/23 3:44:54 PM
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I figured it was sarcasm but it doesn't really make sense because there was no federal law about abortion

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SirChris
03/01/23 3:56:31 PM
#67:


masterplum posted...
I figured it was sarcasm but it doesn't really make sense because there was no federal law about abortion

Plum why are you intentionally dense? Overruling roe has restricted tens of millions from getting abortions safely. Don't play dumb.

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Xeybozn
03/01/23 4:15:19 PM
#68:


SirChris posted...
Plum why are you intentionally dense? Overruling roe has restricted tens of millions from getting abortions safely. Don't play dumb.

He's referring to the Respect for Marriage Act, which does make it illegal for states to ban gay marriage. Which is nice (and more protection than abortion rights had), but could always repealed by a future Congress or (more likely) thrown out by the courts. It turns out it's really hard to protect rights in such a way that they can't still be taken away later.

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Forceful_Dragon
03/01/23 4:24:58 PM
#69:


AriaOfBolo posted...
I think that post was sarcasm
My bad -_-

But it's kind of telling that I could absolutely believe someone would be making that point in earnest.

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Dancedreamer
03/01/23 4:48:39 PM
#70:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
But it's kind of telling that I could absolutely believe someone would be making that point in earnest.

You're not alone. They had me in the first half. I was about to type out a response, and then saw the abortion bit and was like "Oh, sarcasm"

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masterplum
03/01/23 4:51:57 PM
#71:


Xeybozn posted...
He's referring to the Respect for Marriage Act, which does make it illegal for states to ban gay marriage. Which is nice (and more protection than abortion rights had), but could always repealed by a future Congress or (more likely) thrown out by the courts. It turns out it's really hard to protect rights in such a way that they can't still be taken away later.

Plausible it could be overturned but I doubt it. I assume one of barret/kavanaugh/gorsch wouldn't overturn it just cuz

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Thorn
03/01/23 4:54:42 PM
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As if this SCOTUS isn't one that would happily go, "Well the RFMA protects religious expression and ironically that includes making its prohibition against a ban on gay marriage illegal by its own standards."

You know Alito and Thomas desperately want to write something like that.

This is a SCOTUS that cited a judge that oversaw witch trials in overturning Roe.

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Peace___Frog
03/01/23 5:02:38 PM
#73:


masterplum posted...
Plausible it could be overturned but I doubt it. I assume one of barret/kavanaugh/gorsch wouldn't overturn it just cuz
I'll be happier if I don't have to rely on your assumptions tbh

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red_sox_777
03/01/23 5:06:36 PM
#74:


masterplum posted...
Plausible it could be overturned but I doubt it. I assume one of barret/kavanaugh/gorsch wouldn't overturn it just cuz

I would rate it fairly probable that it gets overturned if it gets to SCOTUS. They already held back in 2011 that penalizing people for not buying health insurance isn't covered by the Commerce Clause because not buying health insurance isn't commerce. Roberts saved Obamacare by finding that it was a valid tax instead of a penalty and Congress could legislate it under its tax power. But there's no tax here, and it's major stretch to say that marriage is interstate commerce.

I mean I would guess a law that says that states have to recognize marriages performed in other states would probably be upheld....but probably not the portion that tells states what they can and can't do regarding marriages within their own territory.

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Maniac64
03/01/23 6:22:34 PM
#75:


red_sox_777 posted...
I mean I would guess a law that says that states have to recognize marriages performed in other states would probably be upheld....but probably not the portion that tells states what they can and can't do regarding marriages within their own territory.
It won't have any trouble getting through the Iowa Supreme Court either. There is only 1 Dem appointed Judge there and half the current justices were appointed as a direct response to the IA Supreme Court ruling that gay marriage was legal.

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Paratroopa1
03/01/23 6:43:54 PM
#76:


Xeybozn posted...
He's referring to the Respect for Marriage Act, which does make it illegal for states to ban gay marriage.
No it doesn't.

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Thorn
03/01/23 6:49:35 PM
#77:


Yeah. The RFMA only requires that states recognize gay marriages performed in states that do allow it.

If we woke up tomorrow and Obergefell were overturned then just like with Roe the legality of gay marriage would revert to state law for each state. And most of the states have it as illegal. Just like with abortion your only "recourse" would be to travel to a state that has legal gay marriage. The only difference would be that under the RFMA once you moved back the law would require your state to recognize that marriage. For now.

tl;dr: It does not violate federal law for Iowa to ban gay marriage. The only thing making it illegal atm is Obegerfell. The RFMA simply forces Iowa to recognize legal gay marriages performed in other states.

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Not_an_Owl
03/02/23 7:50:45 PM
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https://www.wfla.com/news/politics/florida-bill-would-require-bloggers-who-write-about-governor-to-register-with-the-state/

So this is just blatantly unconstitutional, right? Above and beyond any First Amendment concerns, if this passes and survives judicial review it essentially gives every individual state jurisdiction over the entire Internet, which is patently insane.

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masterplum
03/02/23 8:16:39 PM
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Not_an_Owl posted...
https://www.wfla.com/news/politics/florida-bill-would-require-bloggers-who-write-about-governor-to-register-with-the-state/

So this is just blatantly unconstitutional, right? Above and beyond any First Amendment concerns, if this passes and survives judicial review it essentially gives every individual state jurisdiction over the entire Internet, which is patently insane.

Extremely

Which is why all these reporting on "Bills" are so dumb. There is almost no way this becomes law but for some reason the uptick on reporting about really stupid bills has gone way up recently

Maybe because people are proposing really stupid bills these days

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SirChris
03/02/23 8:17:42 PM
#80:


masterplum posted...
Extremely

Which is why all these reporting on "Bills" are so dumb. There is almost no way this becomes law but for some reason the uptick on reporting about really stupid bills has gone way up recently

Maybe because people are proposing really stupid bills these days

Goes to show what the republican party would do if allowed.

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masterplum
03/02/23 8:19:08 PM
#81:


SirChris posted...
Goes to show what the republican party would do if allowed.

Maybe. There is a decent argument that a lot of the most insane bills are just political theater knowing they never will go through.

But even that is pretty bad as it is signaling what people want to go through

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Seanchan
03/02/23 10:04:02 PM
#82:


Or maybe they're just "flooding the zone" so that other awful but less totally ouwardly insane stuff gets overlooked.

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masterplum
03/02/23 10:22:17 PM
#83:


Seanchan posted...
Or maybe they're just "flooding the zone" so that other awful but less totally ouwardly insane stuff gets overlooked.

Eh, the Florida senate has so far in 2023 proposed over 400 bills

I think it's just a combination of a numbers thing and far right nutjobs are getting nominated

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Paratroopa1
03/02/23 10:30:11 PM
#84:


It's all "not going to pass" until it eventually does. The Florida legislature is out of its fucking mind right now and the courts are completely unreliable, so this stuff's more dangerous than you think. But even putting that aside, right now everyone's talking about the 'bloggers have to register with the government' thing and are basically just completely overlooking that they're ALREADY trying to expand the Don't Say Gay law to include up to 8th grade as well as new restrictions banning school employees from using someone's given pronouns, and that stuff is a lot more likely to pass.
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Peace___Frog
03/02/23 10:43:06 PM
#85:


Right. And when it passes, it won't be found unconstitutional immediately. It'll take time. So they'll get at least a few months of use out of it, even assuming that the obviously partisan court makes a decision that goes against their political interests.

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red_sox_777
03/02/23 11:25:39 PM
#86:


A single federal district court can find it unconstitutional and issue an injunction. It doesn't have to go to SCOTUS for it to be unenforceable.

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Dancedreamer
03/03/23 1:20:54 PM
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https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1631392285182009376

This is super disappointing btw. Like... let's not let Republicans take over the conversation about this crime bill by acting like signing this bill is being 'tough on crime' cause it's not. It's undermining the authority of DC, and this is why Democrats lose in the end. They always let Republicans control the narrative. This doesn't lower the penalty for carjackings. It's lowers the maximum. The maximum is currently 40 years for carjacking, for example. Almost NOBODY gets 40 years for carjacking. The new maximum would be 24 years, which is still a LONG time. But no, we have to act like this is being 'soft on crime' when it's trying to create fairer standards.

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Kenri
03/03/23 1:34:49 PM
#88:


"I support home rule, except in cases where I don't like the rule made by the home. In those cases I don't support home rule."

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red_sox_777
03/03/23 2:24:38 PM
#89:


I wonder what the UK would look like if the City of London never had home rule and was always governed directly by Parliament/The King. I do believe the huge contrast in wealth between the City of London and the District of Columbia is largely attributable to this.

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Peace___Frog
03/03/23 3:37:58 PM
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Yeah, it's super disappointing to see

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Leafeon13N
03/03/23 5:08:03 PM
#91:


masterplum posted...


Maybe. There is a decent argument that a lot of the most insane bills are just political theater knowing they never will go through.
(I know the answer is plum but...) how the fuck is anyone saying this after the last year or however long.
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Kenri
03/03/23 5:56:41 PM
#92:


They definitely used to be political theatre, he's not wrong about that.

Right now though I'm pretty sure the idea is to throw enough insane fascist garbage at the blatantly corrupt court system to hope some of it slips through.

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KamikazePotato
03/03/23 6:10:46 PM
#93:


What we're forgetting is that Roe v Wade was also political theater for a lot of Republican politicians. Half of them didn't want it to go through - not because of moral reasons or whatever, but because they knew it would cause a big backlash.

But then it did go through, and now everyone is dealing with the consequences. The concept of political theater only exists in a world where extremism is consistently rebuked. These days, every awful policy you see the GOP suggest has a chance of becoming permanent.

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masterplum
03/03/23 6:20:25 PM
#94:


You can't argue that disbanding the democrat party in florida is anything besides political theater.

If that went through it would be effectively secession. Very few people actually want that

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red13n
03/03/23 6:37:16 PM
#95:


masterplum posted...
Very few people actually want that

uhhh...

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TheRock1525
03/04/23 2:44:08 PM
#96:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCuIxIJBfCY&ab_channel=TheProblemWithJonStewart

Jon Stewart is so fucking sick of all this shit.

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SirChris
03/05/23 12:25:43 PM
#97:


Man it looks like cpac wants to end all "transgenderism" so glad we have these debates about what is and isn't a genocide folks

Totally cool and normal

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Thorn
03/05/23 12:40:26 PM
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I mean, the conservative efforts against trans people meets every criteria of the legal definition of genocide except for the fact that the legal definition of groups of people (written after WWII) wouldn't include gender identity as a group of people.

If you took the same actions and applied them to a group the UN Charter recognized, it would absolutely qualify.

So like it isn't a debate at all except for people who are caught up on the "well actually..." of the specific wording of the legal text who willfully refuse to believe that maybe, just maybe, the practical definition shouldn't be tied to a legal compromise worked out nearly a century ago.

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masterplum
03/05/23 12:50:43 PM
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Once again republicans bending over backwards to address something they created themselves, because if they really were that concerned about it the best solution would be to end hyper fixation on gender. My guess is if you radically devalued gender as a social construct then people would just dress and act however they wanted and there wouldnt be any concerns anywhere.

But of course hyper masculinity is a core tenant of half the Republican Party.

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Peace___Frog
03/05/23 1:29:35 PM
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Half? Rather generous there.

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