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Blaziken
05/10/23 8:42:24 PM
#352:


Heidi and Carolyn have idols.

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BlueCrystalTear
05/10/23 8:42:27 PM
#353:


Underleveled posted...
Does Danny have an idol? I forget.
Danny played his for Frannie. Heidi found the next one. She'd play it on herself.

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Underleveled
05/10/23 8:48:39 PM
#354:


Danny has a very entertaining personality and it's fun to watch him get paranoid.

But dear God I DESPISE his philosophy on the game.

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Underleveled
05/10/23 8:51:20 PM
#355:


Welp, Carson's gone.

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Underleveled
05/10/23 8:54:05 PM
#356:


I'm kinda sad we didn't get a shot of Jeff peeking his head in like with the Hannah vote.

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Underleveled
05/10/23 8:57:04 PM
#357:


Well that was BAR NONE the best episode of the season so far.

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Blaziken
05/10/23 8:59:37 PM
#358:


The one thing that worries me is that Carolyn might not get credit for her idol play, since Carson was safe without it (thank God I don't need to add a fourth play to my ranking).

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BlueCrystalTear
05/10/23 9:00:58 PM
#359:


Amazing Tribal. Great episode overall, thanks to Carolyn and Danny. But especially Carolyn.

She didn't even need to play that idol, but Jaime/Lauren voted Heidi in hopes to change the elimination thinking Carolyn would do the Nick Wilson minority split move. But they're the next two to go so that doesn't matter. (I know no spoilers. This is a prediction.)

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Naye745
05/10/23 10:04:47 PM
#360:


carolyn has shown the power to make "new era" tribal councils actually interesting and entertaining, which should make her the automatic winner in my book

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Mewtwo59
05/11/23 1:18:16 AM
#361:


Sucks that Carolyn wasted her idol, but she had no way of knowing that Jaime and Lauren were going to throw their games away.

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BlueCrystalTear
05/11/23 1:32:00 AM
#362:


Mewtwo59 posted...
Sucks that Carolyn wasted her idol, but she had no way of knowing that Jaime and Lauren were going to throw their games away.
A smart player assumes their competition isn't incompetent. Carolyn did the right thing to be safe. Jaime and Lauren make zero sense.

I also think Carolyn isn't going anywhere next week. Yam-Yam and Carson aren't stupid. They know they'd be 4th and 5th with the girls, so they need to vote one of them out before teaming up with the other two against Carolyn at 5.

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Inviso
05/11/23 10:12:57 AM
#363:


As of last night, we have a new inductee!

Lauren Harpe
Mike Gabler
Omar Zaheer
Danny McCray
Tony Vlachos
Lauren Beck
Gavin Whitson
Nick Wilson
Sebastian Noel
Devon Pinto
Troy "Troyzan" Robertson
Will Wahl
Joe del Campo
Jeremy Collins
Mike Holloway
Natalie Anderson
Kass McQuillen
Gervase Peterson (or Hayden Moss, depending on how you count the opening vote)
John Cochran
Lisa Whelchel/Michael Skupin
Sabrina Thompson
Benjamin "Coach" Wade
Ashley Underwood
Chase Rice
Sandra Diaz-Twine
Brett Clouser
James "J.T." Thomas, Jr.
Jessica "Sugar" Kiper
Natalie Bolton
Courtney Yates/Amanda Kimmel*
Kenward "Boo" Bernis/Alex Angarita*
Parvati Shallow
Terry Deitz
Danni Boatwright
Tom Westman
Julie Berry
Rob Mariano
Sandra Diaz-Twine
Rob Cesternino/Heidi Stroebel*
Brian Heidik
Paschal English
Ethan Zohn
Tina Wesson
Kelly Wiglesworth

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Underleveled
05/11/23 11:56:56 AM
#364:


What's this?

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MartinFF7
05/11/23 12:20:48 PM
#365:


yeah I'm trying to decipher that puzzle and I'm coming up empty too...

Great episode, would've definitely loved Heidi going home but Danny certainly was the bigger threat. Carolyn getting lots of time to shine there, Carson remaining in the game, love it.

Also literally the first (and ideally last) time I root for Yam Yam to win anything in this game.
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Inviso
05/11/23 12:35:03 PM
#366:


Last person to receive a vote in each season.

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Mewtwo59
05/11/23 12:36:10 PM
#367:


I'm guessing that's the person who went the longest without having a vote cast against them?

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Underleveled
05/11/23 12:42:59 PM
#368:


So I'm guessing that doesn't consider quits/medivacs

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Underleveled
05/11/23 12:45:58 PM
#369:


The most surprising names to me on that list are Sugar, Coach, Lisa and Gabler.

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MartinFF7
05/11/23 1:21:03 PM
#370:


Ah of course, so obvious in retrospect... and yet, so easy to forget about Lauren's existence entirely!!

Underleveled posted...
The most surprising names to me on that list are ... Gabler.

I tried finding a gif of "the Alligabler" moment from the final tribal but google came up empty, damn. it did turn up this:

https://twitter.com/carolynwiger/status/1656487076840308740

lol

("I ship it"? Is that what the kids say nowadays?)
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Espeon
05/11/23 1:32:17 PM
#371:


Underleveled posted...
So I'm guessing that doesn't consider quits/medivacs

It doesnt, because aside from Joe, every medevac was outlasted by at least one person who hadnt received votes.

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Mewtwo59
05/11/23 5:34:02 PM
#372:


Underleveled posted...
The most surprising names to me on that list are Sugar, Coach, Lisa and Gabler.

It was Kass for me. I expected her to get a spite vote in there somewhere, but no, her only votes were from Trish at 5 and Woo at 3.

Also, what do the asterisks mean? Was it a tie and you just forgot to put it for Lisa/Skupin?

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Inviso
05/11/23 5:43:39 PM
#373:


It was a tie, but one person outlasted the other in the game. Lisa/Michael both made the finals without getting votes, and then received a single vote each to win.

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MartinFF7
05/11/23 5:47:18 PM
#374:


then Courtney/Amanda shouldn't have an asterisk on it?

Also I gotta eyeball this and see if the last voted = winner over half the time...
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Mewtwo59
05/11/23 5:48:49 PM
#375:


Courtney beat Amanda because Courtney got 2 votes to Amanda's 1.

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Inviso
05/11/23 5:48:53 PM
#376:


MartinFF7 posted...
then Courtney/Amanda shouldn't have an asterisk on it?

Also I gotta eyeball this and see if the last voted = winner over half the time...

Courtney beat Amanda in the finals of China.

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MartinFF7
05/11/23 5:51:51 PM
#377:


ah right I thought we were counting them as equivalent as being in the finals (one technically didn't outlast the other), fair enough.

I'm counting 15 winners through Gabler from that list, whcih I guess makes sense, if you're good enough to win you're good enough to get targeted at some point (or have the spite vote thrown your way)

Mike Holloway is a surprising one for me but I guess the individual immunity run at the end was enough... (Edit: had to check wikipedia and forgot about his HII play too, I wonder how many others from this list received nullified votes like that)
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foolm0r0n
05/12/23 8:05:49 PM
#378:


That episode was ridonk. One of the best plays ever in survivor by Carolyn. Only mistake was telling Carson she had the idol tbh.

It's amazing that Carson convinced the other girls to go with him on his own.

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foolm0r0n
05/12/23 8:09:07 PM
#379:


foolm0r0n posted...
The fact is, pre-merge is a mess in this show, and it will almost never be good or strategic to watch. The best you can get is some enjoyable chaos, and that's what they design it for. Post merge is more strategic and has almost no advantages. Of course, pre-merge stuff greatly affects post-merge strategy, but that's more of a player concern. For viewers it's pretty good to watch.


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BlueCrystalTear
05/12/23 8:51:02 PM
#380:


Please explain how that quote is relevant to the point you're trying to make - because I see the quote as a point against it.

Carolyn had an idol. Her playing it on Carson would have had greater impact if we'd had their relationship profiled in more detail pre-merge.

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foolm0r0n
05/12/23 9:35:08 PM
#381:


Which of the previous 10 episodes needed more Carson/Carolyn to make you understand their alliance in this episode? There was plenty since episode 1. You were prob too angry about some nonsense to absorb it. Pay more attention and you'll enjoy the show more.

Like if your thesis requires you to dislike this episode, you're the worst kind of fan. Stick to your reruns and leave the new seasons for the new fans.

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BlueCrystalTear
05/12/23 10:01:18 PM
#382:


BlueCrystalTear posted...
Amazing Tribal. Great episode overall, thanks to Carolyn and Danny. But especially Carolyn.
You should probably read things before putting words in somebody's mouth.

My point is that, by focusing on advantages and synthesizing what should transpire, production takes away what is the true crux of Survivor, that being the cast's relationships and decisions.

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BlueCrystalTear
05/12/23 10:02:49 PM
#383:


I also want to add that my problem lies in the pre-merge, in that it's what got me to hardly care about how objectively great this episode was. Because they didn't sow the seeds to reap them later and instead focused on a bunch of advantage rubbish that never went anywhere, it made this payoff less satisfying than it should have been.

It was still a great episode.

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Espeon
05/12/23 10:09:50 PM
#384:


I will say this. The past three episodes (and the Matthew medevac) have all been great specifically because they had time to breathe abd let the players develop as players and personalities. Even if advantages played major roles in the story, they were just tools for the players to use.

This is the problem with the pre merge failings though. The premerge is meant to be the point where the cast is bonding and developing as characters, so when the merge hits, the harder gameplay and blindsides carry weight, rather than just being all style and no substance.

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foolm0r0n
05/12/23 10:37:08 PM
#385:


That's my point - you can't have a focus on players and let them breathe when there's 18 brand new characters. Fact is, half the cast is by definition useless in every season of survivor. You expect them to develop just the post-merge ones and ignore an entire that entire half? They have to do SOMETHING with them. Every season tries things to keep that part interesting. The old ones still only had like a 20% success rate on that. But it's not a new formula at all. Chaos pre-merge, strategy & characters post-merge. Simple.

BlueCrystalTear posted...
You should probably read things before putting words in somebody's mouth.
You're saying the setup wasn't good when it was one of the strongest setups possible. She was the one who got the birdcage idol and hid it through all the drama leading up to this moment. The Tika 3 were strongly developed since episode 1. And you're saying that's rubbish. It's just a bad way to watch the show.

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BlueCrystalTear
05/12/23 11:18:46 PM
#386:


Yup, I'm with Inviso 100%. I have no idea why foolmo thinks I didn't pay attention and hated the episode, when I was trying to tell him that he was undermining his point about the pre-merge. He's the one who didn't pay attention.

It's the pre-merge I absolutely hated, because production didn't let things just play out. By forcing someone to go on a journey and forcing that someone to risk their vote, it takes away the autonomy players have - the thing that makes Survivor special. It also eats up airtime that could instead be used to start threading the story so things have more of an impact later. This focus on "Big Movez" makes it all style, but there aren't any weighty relationships. Carson and Carolyn could've been shown bonding in the early days of the season, but we didn't get anything like that until these last two episodes. It honestly felt like this was early in the game when they were first developing an appreciation for each other.

The 26-day game is also harmful to this since it gives the cast less time to bond. I hope that, with the 90 minute episodes next season, they need to return to 39 days and allow the cast room to breathe, because that lets them get closer, especially when another tribe is going to Tribal. Tribes that don't go to Tribal for the 14 days before the swap, for instance, tend to develop some animosity that leads to them splintering (or the merge, if there is no swap).

foolm0r0n posted...
That's my point - you can't have a focus on players and let them breathe when there's 18 brand new characters.
So you agree with us that the pre-merge was garbage, then, since instead of focusing on 18 players, they focused on 18 advantages?

You're saying the setup wasn't good when it was one of the strongest setups possible.
I am saying that because the setup wasn't good. The bird cage was great, but having the summits and other attempts to pump garbage into the game on top of that was too much and detracted from what made the bird cage work so well. They can't focus on the players and their paranoia if they spend all the time setting up the advantages.

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foolm0r0n
05/13/23 1:30:49 AM
#387:


BlueCrystalTear posted...
So you agree with us that the pre-merge was garbage, then, since instead of focusing on 18 players, they focused on 18 advantages?
I've always said it's not good (see my quote) but it served its purpose and was about par for the seasons I've watched so I would never call it garbage. You can choose to treat average pre-merges as garbage, but like I said that's a terrible way to watch a show.

BlueCrystalTear posted...
I have no idea why foolmo thinks I didn't pay attention and hated the episode
You didn't hate it holistically, but you're dragging hate from episode 1 into episode 11 which, again, terrible way to watch this show. And yeah if you missed the Carson/Carolyn stuff in nearly every episode you didn't pay attention.

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Mewtwo59
05/17/23 8:13:04 PM
#388:


That went as well as I expected from a team with Carolyn and Jaime.

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Underleveled
05/17/23 8:15:10 PM
#389:


Yeah that challenge was never going any other way. Carson is a stronger caller than Jaime by a lot, and I'd say Yam-Yam and Lauren are stronger on the ball than Carolyn and Heidi.

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Underleveled
05/17/23 8:21:52 PM
#390:


"Can you burp in my mouth?"

I wondered when "I need somebody to pee on my hand!" would be topped.

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Espeon
05/17/23 8:22:17 PM
#391:


I hope they get rid of Lauren tonight. Jaime is so much more interesting as a character.

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Underleveled
05/17/23 8:24:17 PM
#392:


If a Tika member doesn't go tonight it will be the most confused I've ever been my an episode edit.

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Mewtwo59
05/17/23 8:27:47 PM
#393:


I hope not, because I really don't want this to end in a Jaime/Heidi/Lauren FTC.

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Mewtwo59
05/17/23 8:44:27 PM
#394:


Well, either Carolyn goes tonight or she wins the game.

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Underleveled
05/17/23 8:44:42 PM
#395:


I'm legit worried...

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Underleveled
05/17/23 8:45:31 PM
#396:


Mewtwo59 posted...
Well, either Carolyn goes tonight or she wins the game.
Yes. She's been my winner pick from very early on but tonight I'm actually nervous. If she gets through this tribal though, she absolutely wins.

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Blaziken
05/17/23 8:46:23 PM
#397:


I'm legitimately worried at this point, because I don't want to have to imagine a finale without Carolyn playing to win.

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Blaziken
05/17/23 8:56:41 PM
#398:


Oh thank God. I mean, I loved Jaime this season, but she's NOT Carolyn.

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Underleveled
05/17/23 8:58:26 PM
#399:


WOW I was legit worried. Even when the second Jaime vote came up I figured it was still Carolyn and Carson had elected to vote for Jaime anyway.

Sucks to lose Jaime but with Lauren and Heidi safe she was the best option left.

Thank GOD Carolyn is still in.

And hopefully this will be the last time they do this stupid "start over" thing at the finale now that this cast broke it.

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Mewtwo59
05/17/23 9:04:47 PM
#400:


Yeah, I don't see how Carolyn loses after surviving that episode.

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Cody11533
05/17/23 9:07:29 PM
#401:


They fooled me, I thought they were voting out Carolyn. So glad she survived, Carson really must not have wanted to budge because Yam Yam sounded very ready.

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