Poll of the Day > They're trying to diagnose me with IBS

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Jen0125
12/29/22 6:50:02 PM
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I don't want it
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Far-Queue
12/29/22 6:54:41 PM
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Give it to me then I'll take it

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Far-Queue
12/29/22 6:54:49 PM
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Wait what is it

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Metalsonic66
12/29/22 6:55:27 PM
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WorstOfAll
12/29/22 7:01:36 PM
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A lot of people I know who spent the first 30 odd years of their lives eating like shit have told me the same. None of them seem to see the link.
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grimhilde00
12/29/22 7:09:42 PM
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fun fact, it's a common consequence of eating disorders since you fuck up your gut bacteria

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Jen0125
12/29/22 7:18:17 PM
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WorstOfAll posted...
A lot of people I know who spent the first 30 odd years of their lives eating like shit have told me the same. None of them seem to see the link.

IBS is a psychosomatic disorder. 50-90% of IBS sufferers have mental illness comorbities usually PTSD. It's not a medical disorder caused by poor diet. I also have an issue with having used antibiotics really frequently in my childhood due to chronic ear infections and I read that can affect your gut biome permanently. I didn't really have the option to avoid that.
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Jen0125
12/29/22 7:20:47 PM
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Far-Queue posted...
Give it to me then I'll take it

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BADoglick
12/29/22 7:21:19 PM
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grimhilde00 posted...
fun fact, it's a common consequence of eating disorders since you fuck up your gut bacteria

Also antibiotics. I got it as an after effect of Lyme disease. I was on antibiotics for a month and it tore apart my stomach

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myghostisdead
12/29/22 7:43:15 PM
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I have it. As Jen and others said above, antibiotics have a lot to do with it. The really bad part of the antibiotics is the possibility of developing C Diff. I've had it 3 times which then led to developing IBS.


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Jen0125
12/29/22 7:54:00 PM
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myghostisdead posted...
I have it. As Jen and others said above, antibiotics have a lot to do with it. The really bad part of the antibiotics is the possibility of developing C Diff. I've had it 3 times which then led to developing IBS.

Yeah, I really suspect it in my case. I hadn't heard about the link until this year when I saw a new doctor but it all makes sense. I was on antibiotics almost constantly as a child until I got my adenoids removed. I had ear infections like every month because I have malformed ear canals that don't facilitate adequate drainage for my ears.
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shadowsword87
12/29/22 7:54:21 PM
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Why is adulthood a constant battle of shitting too much, and shitting too little.
How haven't humans solved this yet.
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adjl
12/29/22 8:06:51 PM
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shadowsword87 posted...
Why is adulthood a constant battle of shitting too much, and shitting too little.
How haven't humans solved this yet.

Mostly because our solution for it was to evolve based on the foods we foraged, which tended to provide the right balance of nutrients to keep things moving smoothly. Agriculture disrupted that, but that disruption hasn't been enough to have an appreciable impact on reproductive success, so we haven't had any pressure to evolve around it (that, and the food that's available to most human populations is changing far more rapidly than evolution could possibly keep up with).

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Lokarin
12/29/22 8:10:15 PM
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I think it's more that if you are in a healthy home you will have regularly scheduled meals for pretty much the first 20 years of your life... and then you kinda just wing it with intermittent beer

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DirtBasedSoap
12/29/22 8:21:44 PM
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interesting boob situation

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ParanoidObsessive
12/29/22 8:25:08 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
They're trying to diagnose me with IBS. I don't want it.

Jen0125 posted...
I also have an issue with having used antibiotics really frequently in my childhood due to chronic ear infections and I read that can affect your gut biome permanently.

Tell them you want the fecal transplant.

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VampireCoyote
12/29/22 8:29:30 PM
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you gotta stop pooping so hard

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wolfy42
12/29/22 8:34:51 PM
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Sounds like a shitty diagnosis to me, i'd get a second (number two) opinion.

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ReturnOfFa
12/29/22 8:39:58 PM
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WorstOfAll posted...
A lot of people I know who spent the first 30 odd years of their lives eating like shit have told me the same. None of them seem to see the link.
most of them probably don't care to continue the conversation since you're not exactly being helpful lmfao

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Metalsonic66
12/29/22 9:02:25 PM
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shadowsword87
12/29/22 9:37:56 PM
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adjl posted...
Mostly because our solution for it was to evolve based on the foods we foraged, which tended to provide the right balance of nutrients to keep things moving smoothly. Agriculture disrupted that, but that disruption hasn't been enough to have an appreciable impact on reproductive success, so we haven't had any pressure to evolve around it (that, and the food that's available to most human populations is changing far more rapidly than evolution could possibly keep up with).

Now that I think about it:
How do we know that? Is that just speculation of "old times were better because we were built for it", or because there's some actual poop archaeology happening?
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adjl
12/29/22 10:02:49 PM
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shadowsword87 posted...
Now that I think about it:
How do we know that? Is that just speculation of "old times were better because we were built for it", or because there's some actual poop archaeology happening?

The easiest thing to do is look at modern hunter-gatherer tribes and see how their diets end up meeting their nutritional needs, but I imagine there's also some archaeology involved. It's pretty intuitive, though: We spent a couple million years evolving around what we could forage, which covers a very broad range of different plants. That's naturally going to give greater nutritional variety than the relatively tiny handful of species we can grow (both as a matter of whether or not they're suitable to cultivate and the simple reality that a farm can only have so many different crops), even without getting into questions about selective breeding and other forms of genetic engineering that have shaped the crops we have access to today (perhaps most notably, giving wheat its incredibly high glycemic index). That's further complicated by the fact that our modern understanding of nutrition is very recent compared to how ancient so many agricultural practices are.

It's a strong enough effect that there's actually room to question whether or not agriculture was a mistake, though obviously that question is purely academic because we can't exactly revert to pre-agriculture now.

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ParanoidObsessive
12/29/22 11:16:03 PM
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adjl posted...
It's a strong enough effect that there's actually room to question whether or not agriculture was a mistake

It's been proven pretty decisively that it was, at least from a purely nutritional perspective. The problem was that it enabled larger populations, which led to what some have called the agricultural trap - namely, by the time any given population realized they were working harder and were more malnourished than their ancestors, they were pretty much incapable of reverting back to the old ways without a mass die-off.

The real fun part is when we basically speculate that the only reason agricultural was invented at all is because tribal nomads figured out how to get drunk.

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adjl
12/30/22 12:11:23 AM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
It's been proven pretty decisively that it was, at least from a purely nutritional perspective.

I think there's room to argue that that doesn't have to be true in the modern world, where we have enough of an understanding of nutrition and agriculture is happening on a large enough scale that we could hypothetically make sure that everybody has ready access to complete nutrition, but the logistics of that and the need to strictly dictate what every farmer grows introduce more than a few problems.

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ParanoidObsessive
12/30/22 11:50:10 AM
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adjl posted...
I think there's room to argue that that doesn't have to be true in the modern world

Oh, true. I meant in the immediate aftermath.

From a holistic biological perspective, the discussion becomes more complex. For instance, agricultural created civilization, which led to advanced medicine, which can cure things no nomadic hunter-gatherer could ever have dealt with. So that seems to be a positive. But then again, modern medicine is mostly focused on solving problems that were themselves created by civilization (like health problems caused by fatty foods, or how most diseases stem from close proximity to animals, which stems from domestication, which mainly took place in permanent agricultural settlements). So if you put all the health-based negatives that stemmed from civilization (which might even include things like war or robbery) on one side and balance them against the positives, you might not get a net positive result.

Agriculture really only becomes a net positive if you consider all the advanced aspects of civilization (like art and science and TV and computers) to be worth the freedom and health we gave up to get it.

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adjl
12/30/22 12:13:06 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Oh, true. I meant in the immediate aftermath.

From a holistic biological perspective, the discussion becomes more complex. For instance, agricultural created civilization, which led to advanced medicine, which can cure things no nomadic hunter-gatherer could ever have dealt with. So that seems to be a positive. But then again, modern medicine is mostly focused on solving problems that were themselves created by civilization (like health problems caused by fatty foods, or how most diseases stem from close proximity to animals, which stems from domestication, which mainly took place in permanent agricultural settlements). So if you put all the health-based negatives that stemmed from civilization (which might even include things like war or robbery) on one side and balance them against the positives, you might not get a net positive result.

Agriculture really only becomes a net positive if you consider all the advanced aspects of civilization (like art and science and TV and computers) to be worth the freedom and health we gave up to get it.

Yeah, there are a lot of factors involved that make the evaluation pretty complicated and ultimately subjective. It can be interesting to delve into the finer details of it, though as we've both said, it's entirely an academic exercise because it's not like mass extinction and a reversion to pre-agricultural societies is really an alternative.

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ParanoidObsessive
12/30/22 12:21:34 PM
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adjl posted...
it's not like mass extinction and a reversion to pre-agricultural societies is really an alternative.

...at least not until after I manage to perfect my bioengineered superplague.

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adjl
12/30/22 1:01:24 PM
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Eh, even then it'd be such a dramatic lifestyle change for the handful of survivors that I doubt they'd do it. Agricultural society is all the vast majority of modern humans have ever known. Any hunting-gathering they'd do for post-apocalyptic survival would be considered a stop-gap measure until they could re-establish agriculture and start working to recover normal life; I highly doubt anyone would actually take the opportunity to shake up such a fundamental social paradigm.

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