Poll of the Day > Newer gamers see the games of 1980-2006 as weak/crotchety etc.

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BigOlePappy
12/01/22 11:25:08 PM
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Is this true what young gamers think?

Are we out of touch for holding on to the founders of gaming protagonists? By those I mean: Mario, Richter Belmont, Crash, Sweet Tooth, Duke Nukem, Alucard, Chrono, Robo , Frog, Master Chief, Kafka, Tidus, Yuna, Link, Cloud, Red XIII,, Sephiroth, Samus, Laura Croft, Kazuya Mishima, etc ....

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Shananagainz
12/02/22 4:34:29 AM
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Young folks like exploring old stuff just as much as some of us did as kids. I do work as a mentor to younger kids and I can tell you that theyre more than happy to play older games. They might be confused about certain design decisions but I dont think what youre implying is exclusively true.

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bo_danvers
12/02/22 6:05:23 AM
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My kiddo didn't like the NES, but now it is one of his favorite consoles. Mostly because he likes platformers, though.
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Revelation34
12/02/22 6:18:53 AM
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BigOlePappy posted...
Is this true what young gamers think?

Are we out of touch for holding on to the founders of gaming protagonists? By those I mean: Mario, Richter Belmont, Crash, Sweet Tooth, Duke Nukem, Alucard, Chrono, Robo , Frog, Master Chief, Kafka, Tidus, Yuna, Link, Cloud, Red XIII,, Sephiroth, Samus, Laura Croft, Kazuya Mishima, etc ....


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Lokarin
12/02/22 8:43:00 AM
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Playstation is too weird, CD games will never take off

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trodi_911
12/02/22 12:12:49 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMqZ2PPOLik

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wpot
12/02/22 12:44:56 PM
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Sometimes yes sometimes no. If I go back and play a variety of NES titles about 90% of them are truly terrible. A few of the classics (Punch Out, Dragon Warrior 4, SMB3, etc) still hold up and interest my kids, but the jank of the era was bad elsewhere.

Many games also seem like the mother of all cliches to modern eyes, which of course they are. Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy 4, and Dragon Quest 3 all come to mind: they can't have as big of an impact anymore.

The playstation and later eras generally hold up pretty well for anyone who doesn't require modern-looking graphics. People going back to the PS-PS2 can generally recognize the era had a good emphasis on storylines and gameplay (as opposed to blowing budgets on graphics).

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Sahuagin
12/02/22 12:57:26 PM
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my nephew likes the whole Metroid and Mario series, starting from Metroid 1 and SMB1, especially Metroid. I'm not sure if he could still play the early ones much, but he beat Metroid 1 by himself at IIRC age 6-7?, and has beat all the main 5 Metroid games including Metroid Dread. (He's 10 atm).

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fettster777
12/02/22 1:00:38 PM
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I can understand the hesitancy to go back to the PS1/N64 era. The graphics on a lot of those games are just plain bad, but its understandable since it was the transition from 2D sprites to 3D polygons. Other than some of the classics (Mario 64, Ocarina of Time, FFVII, etc.) I would steer clear from that era for the most part if you're trying to introduce older games to younger audiences.
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Monopoman
12/02/22 6:55:50 PM
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I think the biggest barrier to NES games is the difficulty many of them are far more obtuse and have difficult aspects to them. Even when looking at the gamest that are not notoriously hard there are some games that can be pretty tough to beat without a guide.

Zelda on NES is a great example gameplay wise the game is not that hard, but many of it's secrets require massive dedication and time spent to solve without using a guide.
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ReturnOfFa
12/02/22 9:04:33 PM
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idk I've met some young people that are really into older games. I was stoked to see an 11-year old in front of me at the game store a few months ago getting a gamecube with animal crossing. I told him I played a lot of it when I was around his age, and he was really excited - also said it was 'cheaper than getting a switch with animal crossing' which I didn't think of.

I grew up on NES, but I think there are just certain games that stand the test of time, like Mario 1-3. Even Zelda is a little tougher though, and I used a guide for it, and most younger people would too, but there'd probably be some unique kid that likes doing that blind too.

I'll have to ask my cousin's kid what he plays on the SNES and NES apps on Switch. He's put hundreds of hours into them, and that all would've been age 11-14.

kids are badass basically.

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TomNook
12/03/22 2:47:01 AM
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Some kids really take to older games, but the biggest problem with some of those games is finding a footing with a new audience that lacks the attention span today just due to how products and media are thrown at people at such a rapid pace and with ease of access (this also applies to older people who never played the old games too, but are giving them a try now too).

Some games require a test of patience where you are thrown through challenging gauntlets where you have to play perfectly for longer periods of time, because the price of failure requires you to go back and go through the challenge from scratch. Many modern gameplay sensibilities still have high challenge, but the high challenge is presented in very short bursts (fitting of the attention span of the era), so that when a challenge is failed, it sends the person back 15 seconds. It's rare to see games that require feats of skill that require a person to be focused in for long periods of time to accomplish the task. There are still communities that get filled with young people (speed running and such) where this is an obvious requirement, but for a huge chunk, they don't really have the fortitude for long challenges anymore, so many classic games get less praise as they did in the past.

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Revelation34
12/03/22 6:20:16 AM
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ReturnOfFa posted...
idk I've met some young people that are really into older games. I was stoked to see an 11-year old in front of me at the game store a few months ago getting a gamecube with animal crossing. I told him I played a lot of it when I was around his age, and he was really excited - also said it was 'cheaper than getting a switch with animal crossing' which I didn't think of.

I grew up on NES, but I think there are just certain games that stand the test of time, like Mario 1-3. Even Zelda is a little tougher though, and I used a guide for it, and most younger people would too, but there'd probably be some unique kid that likes doing that blind too.

I'll have to ask my cousin's kid what he plays on the SNES and NES apps on Switch. He's put hundreds of hours into them, and that all would've been age 11-14.

kids are badass basically.


Technically true but the every version after the Gamecube version had more stuff in it.

TomNook posted...
Some kids really take to older games, but the biggest problem with some of those games is finding a footing with a new audience that lacks the attention span today just due to how products and media are thrown at people at such a rapid pace and with ease of access (this also applies to older people who never played the old games too, but are giving them a try now too).

Some games require a test of patience where you are thrown through challenging gauntlets where you have to play perfectly for longer periods of time, because the price of failure requires you to go back and go through the challenge from scratch. Many modern gameplay sensibilities still have high challenge, but the high challenge is presented in very short bursts (fitting of the attention span of the era), so that when a challenge is failed, it sends the person back 15 seconds. It's rare to see games that require feats of skill that require a person to be focused in for long periods of time to accomplish the task. There are still communities that get filled with young people (speed running and such) where this is an obvious requirement, but for a huge chunk, they don't really have the fortitude for long challenges anymore, so many classic games get less praise as they did in the past.


Good. That shit was fucking annoying.

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TomNook
12/03/22 6:23:39 AM
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Revelation34 posted...
Good. That shit was fucking annoying.
I mean, it's just about performing skills for a longer unbroken period.

It's like how when a modern audience plays Mega Man nowadays; the games include a rewind feature. So when they are fighting a robot master and they get hit, they just use the rewind feature so that they don't get hit. It's technically allowed by the modern sensibilities, but it cheats them of the journey, because while they are technically beating the game, they are no longer doing it in a full unbroken passage like it was originally intended, because the challenge was about stringing together a series of sucessess.

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BigOlePappy
12/03/22 10:35:26 AM
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Revelation34 posted...
Technically true but the every version after the Gamecube version had more stuff in it.

Good. That shit was fucking annoying.

The Switch Animal Crossing my would make kids quit video games

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Garlands_Soul
12/03/22 10:42:20 AM
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Close minded people exist everywhere. There are plenty of younger people who still see old video games as a good time.

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Revelation34
12/03/22 10:49:28 AM
#17:


BigOlePappy posted...


The Switch Animal Crossing my would make kids quit video games


I don't even know what you are saying.

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BigOlePappy
12/03/22 11:01:25 AM
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Revelation34 posted...
I don't even know what you are saying.

Who? Me, the kids, or the animal crossing characters? PM me if it is technical so I can help.

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ReturnOfFa
12/03/22 11:50:15 AM
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Revelation34 posted...
Technically true but the every version after the Gamecube version had more stuff in it.
True, but the Gamecube version still has a lot of stuff, that's for sure.

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hypnox
12/03/22 12:10:26 PM
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I love all games from all periods. Granted I'm not young. Only old games I have problems with are the ones that didn't point effort in making AI challenging so they had them break the rules. I mean they still do this today, but it feels like it was more common back then.

A good example is the early yu-gi-oh games where the banned list only applied to you and not the AIs.

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Dikitain
12/03/22 2:23:29 PM
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As a kid, I remember my dad bringing out his old pong machine from the mid-late 70's and I enjoyed it. I was also nostalgic for the Atari 2600 and the 8-bit computer, both of which came out before I was born.

I think if you introduce it to them early enough, they will probably like it.

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OhhhJa
12/03/22 2:36:07 PM
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Crotchety? Old games are irritable?
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Lokarin
12/03/22 4:53:14 PM
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Maybe he meant Crotchy, my NES is rather yellowish-brown now

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jayj350
12/03/22 8:03:00 PM
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Well I think most 80's games have aged somewhat poorly and only standout as early/simple examples of gaming. Seems like 90's and 00's games have aged much better for modern audiences and standards.

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Monopoman
12/03/22 9:00:33 PM
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hypnox posted...
I love all games from all periods. Granted I'm not young. Only old games I have problems with are the ones that didn't point effort in making AI challenging so they had them break the rules. I mean they still do this today, but it feels like it was more common back then.

A good example is the early yu-gi-oh games where the banned list only applied to you and not the AIs.

This is still rather common, at higher difficulties in Starcraft 2 it lets the AI cheat to make it challenging. I believe this is also common at the highest difficulties of Civ IV, since to make it challenging they have to let the AI cheat.
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Vidyagamelover
12/03/22 9:12:04 PM
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As a young vidya gamer I completely disagree with the topic title


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Revelation34
12/03/22 11:02:25 PM
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ReturnOfFa posted...

True, but the Gamecube version still has a lot of stuff, that's for sure.


Yeah it does. I 100% it like 10 years ago except the stuff you needed a Gameboy Advance for. Had to use the codes to get most items though.

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DeathMagnetic80
12/04/22 1:00:19 AM
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Depends on the game, some hold up much better than others. The 16 bit generation aged pretty well, so a lot from that time can still be enjoyed without too much context. For example, Super Metroid has tight gameplay, great music and some of the best graphics on the SNES. Save points and a map also help quite a bit, so someone can pick it up for the first time now and probably have some fun. The ORIGINAL Metroid though... different story. Its so obtuse with its secrets, a lot of rooms look the same, and you kind of need to hand draw your own map to get around (unless you just use a guide) My friend's kid is 6, and really likes the old Sonic games, they're colorful, fast paced and you literally only need to use one button to control Sonic, so its very easy for a younger kid to just pick up and play.
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AltOmega2
12/05/22 8:58:51 AM
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most of them are probably filtered by the lack superfluous running/walking animations and dumb presentation stuff like that
I absolutely despise modern game design
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