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Zithers
12/01/22 5:55:38 PM
#51:


also someone with s&s confirmed that 1600 critics voted !!!

excited to see individual ballots when real fun will begin

already saw one that was all ten women filmmakers and another with four films from the 2010s. another had twin peaks (1990-2017) on it lmao.

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Etna
12/01/22 5:58:27 PM
#52:


Not a single 3 Ninjas movie?

1984

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Kurt_Russel
12/01/22 6:00:13 PM
#53:


Wheres bio-dome?
in fact, wheres the thing?

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Zithers
12/02/22 2:18:37 AM
#54:


Kurt_Russel posted...
Wheres bio-dome?
in fact, wheres the thing?

i think john carpenter could pop up in the top 250, which we unfortunately won't know for a few more weeks

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Zithers
12/02/22 2:30:39 PM
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fi9ukSTWYAAT92v?format=jpg&name=large

martin scorsese - he doesn't play by the rules. submitted 15 movies instead of 10.

@blue_inigo you gonna check some of these out?

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masterpug53
12/02/22 2:37:05 PM
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DeadBankerDream posted...
I feel like French new wave auteurs always get shafted on these lists outside of the big two and a token appearance or two from others, so it's nice to see Cleo from 5 to 7 so high up. I really love that movie. Now put some god damn Eric Rohmer on there.

Yeah, I saw Cleo and went 'nice.' I really ought to watch it again sometime, its theme is no less relevant today than it was 50 years ago.

Zithers posted...
maybe, but france is extremely well represented

no latin american films, only two films from africa, just one from india

What are some good high-art Latin films? Only one I distinctly remember from school was Black God, White Devil (though I never understood why they didn't go with the literal translation 'God and Devil in the Land of the Sun,' much better title imo). And then of course there's City of God.


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Zithers
12/02/22 2:49:46 PM
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masterpug53 posted...
Yeah, I saw Cleo and went 'nice.' I really ought to watch it again sometime, its theme is no less relevant today than it was 50 years ago.

What are some good high-art Latin films? Only one I distinctly remember from school was Black God, White Devil (though I never understood why they didn't go with the literal translation 'God and Devil in the Land of the Sun,' much better title imo). And then of course there's City of God.

i really have no clue. i am woefully inexperienced with southern hemisphere cinema. i imagine the lack of a canon from that part of the world is due to a lot of critics being lazy and just being content with what is streaming on the criterion channel - a service that is currently hosting like 50 of the films in the top 100. even the four films on the list from africa, the middle east, and india are all criterion releases!

and that's the issue i guess. we need to expand the canon beyond janus acquisitions imo. i find it odd that criterion is so heavily represented compared to kino or arrow or whichever other bluray label you like. like, you don't need to have everything be an 'art' film. you can go vote for an arrow release like the 36th chamber of shaolin and not feel guilty - it is a hugely influential film that kicked off the golden age of kung fu films (which have influenced all sorts of other genre films) and a masterpiece at that!!

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Zithers
12/03/22 4:54:36 PM
#58:


saturday bump

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uEuphoricXDrekt
12/03/22 5:04:52 PM
#59:


Smashingpmkns posted...
Mulholland Dr at #8 is a wild choice. Not that I disagree or agree, just a wild choice.
Only one from the top 10 I've seen so I'm gonna assume it's the best
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TaylorHeinicke
12/05/22 1:29:17 AM
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Zithers posted...
martin scorsese - he doesn't play by the rules. submitted 15 movies instead of 10
Should disqualify his movies from the list then

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Doe
12/05/22 1:42:04 AM
#61:


The number of black and white movies is setting off my snob alarm, or else, the list's curators have a high average age.

That said, Infinity War should never belong on such a list. The actual cinematography is pure standard, most of it is green screen and CGI, there's no message or goal besides profit. There's somehow several bad scenes like the 5,000,000 timelines handwave or making Starlord look like the biggest dick in the galaxy. Go ahead and applaud the producers' ability to ship out a bunch of movies with intersecting plots and bringing them together for this one, but Infinity War itself doesn't really do anything to merit the title of 'great film' from a film critic's view.

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Doe
12/05/22 1:42:36 AM
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Hayame_Zero posted...
The Coen Brothers not having anything in the top 100 is absurd.
This did stick out to me

They did have a consensus best film once, Fargo. But then they kept releasing great films

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Blue_Inigo
12/05/22 12:30:12 PM
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Miyazaki movies should be higher tbh

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angeleyes94
12/05/22 12:59:10 PM
#64:


No human centipede!? Absolutely fucking disgusting.

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Zithers
12/05/22 3:38:19 PM
#65:


Doe posted...
The number of black and white movies is setting off my snob alarm, or else, the list's curators have a high average age.

That said, Infinity War should never belong on such a list. The actual cinematography is pure standard, most of it is green screen and CGI, there's no message or goal besides profit. There's somehow several bad scenes like the 5,000,000 timelines handwave or making Starlord look like the biggest dick in the galaxy. Go ahead and applaud the producers' ability to ship out a bunch of movies with intersecting plots and bringing them together for this one, but Infinity War itself doesn't really do anything to merit the title of 'great film' from a film critic's view.

this list is actually more oriented towards newer movies than ever

although i don't see why a movie being in b&w would immediately make it snobby. is chaplin snobby?

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IShall_Run_Amok
12/05/22 3:40:12 PM
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Unfathomably based list. Needs more black and white movies though.

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Doe
12/05/22 6:42:25 PM
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Zithers posted...
although i don't see why a movie being in b&w would immediately make it snobby. is chaplin snobby?
I more mean an unwillingness to admit more recent films have made developments in the medium as important as old foundational films like Metropolis. You risk more reputation or social capital to endorse something newer and less proven or standardized than you do ancient classics.

Especially in the last many decades, the opportunities for people of diverse minds and backgrounds to be able to create films has greatly increased

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Zithers
12/05/22 11:07:06 PM
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Doe posted...
I more mean an unwillingness to admit more recent films have made developments in the medium as important as old foundational films like Metropolis. You risk more reputation or social capital to endorse something newer and less proven or standardized than you do ancient classics.

Especially in the last many decades, the opportunities for people of diverse minds and backgrounds to be able to create films has greatly increased

i don't really think there has been much paradigm shifting movies in recent memory honestly. what do you have in mind that is less snobby and more recent and in color that should be on the list

also

1870s-1910s: 0 movies
1920s: 7 movies
1930s: 5 movies
1940s: 8 movies
1950s: 20 movies
1960s: 20 movies
1970s: 14 movies
1980s: 7 movies
1990s: 9 movies
2000s: 6 movies
2010s: 4 movies

this seems like a perfectly fine bell curved timeline. although i think it is very stupid to have 4 movies from the past five years on a best of all-time list - also three movies from 1998-2001 are in the top ten which is absurd lol.

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Punished_Blinx
12/05/22 11:12:12 PM
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I dunno man I had a lot of fun watching a certain scene in Mulholland Drive as a teenager

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DeadBankerDream
12/05/22 11:16:41 PM
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Punished_Blinx posted...
I dunno man I had a lot of fun watching a certain scene in Mulholland Drive as a teenager
The Silenzio scene, right?

Right?

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Beetlejo
12/05/22 11:19:22 PM
#71:


Top 10 films list without mentioning old ass films no one cares about challenge
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Beetlejo
12/05/22 11:21:52 PM
#72:


Here is literally the plot for the best film of all time apparently.

The film examines a single mother's regimented schedule of cooking, cleaning and mothering over three days. The mother, Jeanne Dielman (whose name is only discerned from the title and from a letter she reads to her son), has sex with male clients in her house each afternoon, for her and her son's subsistence. Like her other activities, Jeanne's sex work is part of the routine she performs every day by rote and is uneventful.


Then, late on the second and during the third day, Jeanne's routines begin to subtly unravel. She overcooks the potatoes while preparing dinner, and wanders around the house carrying the potato pot. She misses a button, and drops a newly washed fork. These alterations to Jeanne's existence continue before the third day's sexual customer arrives. She has orgasmic sex with the client, then impulsively stabs him to death with a pair of scissors. She then sits quietly at her dining room table.

Lmfaoo I swear to fuck these people would literally watch paint dry

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IShall_Run_Amok
12/05/22 11:22:41 PM
#73:


This is probably the least snobby list in ages, owing to the greater diversity of people asked to vote. That's why there's so many 2010s films on the top 100, each one a relatively well known piece, and one of them a hugely successful American horror film. Its not like La Flor or A Bread Factory made the list.

The "dark" side of that diversity; of that young new blood, is that everyone agrees that watching Delphine Seyrig cook dinner and fold clothes is fucking amazing (they're right of course).

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Beetlejo
12/05/22 11:23:41 PM
#74:


I disagree with the list not being snobby.

The greatest film of all time apparently has riveting material such as dropping a fork.
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IShall_Run_Amok
12/05/22 11:29:09 PM
#75:


Beetlejo posted...
I disagree with the list not being snobby.

The greatest film of all time apparently has riveting material such as dropping a fork.
Yeah, it's amazing.

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Punished_Blinx
12/05/22 11:36:11 PM
#76:


Beetlejo posted...
Here is literally the plot for the best film of all time apparently.

The film examines a single mother's regimented schedule of cooking, cleaning and mothering over three days. The mother, Jeanne Dielman (whose name is only discerned from the title and from a letter she reads to her son), has sex with male clients in her house each afternoon, for her and her son's subsistence. Like her other activities, Jeanne's sex work is part of the routine she performs every day by rote and is uneventful.


Then, late on the second and during the third day, Jeanne's routines begin to subtly unravel. She overcooks the potatoes while preparing dinner, and wanders around the house carrying the potato pot. She misses a button, and drops a newly washed fork. These alterations to Jeanne's existence continue before the third day's sexual customer arrives. She has orgasmic sex with the client, then impulsively stabs him to death with a pair of scissors. She then sits quietly at her dining room table.

Lmfaoo I swear to fuck these people would literally watch paint dry

Are the sex scenes hot as fuck though?!

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uEuphoricXDrekt
12/06/22 1:33:42 AM
#77:


Beetlejo posted...
Here is literally the plot for the best film of all time apparently.

The film examines a single mother's regimented schedule of cooking, cleaning and mothering over three days. The mother, Jeanne Dielman (whose name is only discerned from the title and from a letter she reads to her son), has sex with male clients in her house each afternoon, for her and her son's subsistence. Like her other activities, Jeanne's sex work is part of the routine she performs every day by rote and is uneventful.


Then, late on the second and during the third day, Jeanne's routines begin to subtly unravel. She overcooks the potatoes while preparing dinner, and wanders around the house carrying the potato pot. She misses a button, and drops a newly washed fork. These alterations to Jeanne's existence continue before the third day's sexual customer arrives. She has orgasmic sex with the client, then impulsively stabs him to death with a pair of scissors. She then sits quietly at her dining room table.

Lmfaoo I swear to fuck these people would literally watch paint dry
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masterbarf
12/06/22 2:02:08 AM
#78:


TheOnionKnight posted...
And yeah the love for Mulholland Drive is weird to me. I mean it's a good movie but I don't get why it's now elevated so extremely above Lynch's other stuff. Then again I haven't seen it in over a decade. I might get more out of it nowadays.
David Lynch is my favorite director, and Mulholland Drive is my favorite movie so allow me to elaborate.

It's a good movie. The fuck I look like, a writer or something?

Doe posted...
The number of black and white movies is setting off my snob alarm

Beetlejo posted...
Top 10 films list without mentioning old ass films no one cares about challenge
Nothing personal Doe, you seem thoughtful, but these are the snobbiest posts in this thread. It takes a lot of ego and naivety to invalidate black and white movies or old movies relative to their counterparts.

Beetlejo posted...
The greatest film of all time apparently has riveting material such as dropping a fork.
I haven't seen the movie or even read the synopsis you copied and pasted, but a good actor and director can capture a lot in a small moment. Our experiences are rich and layered. Yea, sometimes dropping a fork is just dropping a fork. But not all fork drops are alike. And the differences in those anomalies can communicate a lot of information about the person. Being able to communicate lots of information in a small moment is much more interesting, human, more engaging, and certainly more of an artistic accomplishment than fast moving, loud noise producing, Chinese government approved, CGI children's toys.

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masterbarf
12/06/22 2:05:24 AM
#79:


Also where the fuck are Re-Animator and Return of the Living Dead?

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LightningAce11
12/06/22 2:06:58 AM
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I was wondering if Everything Everywhere All at Once would be on the list.

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Doe
12/06/22 2:23:08 AM
#81:


masterbarf posted...
Nothing personal Doe, you seem thoughtful, but these are the snobbiest posts in this thread. It takes a lot of ego and naivety to invalidate black and white movies or old movies relative to their counterparts.
I dont think I ever invalidated older films, i questioned whether more recent filmmakers were being disregarded for choices that, while foundational or influential, also represent a time when access to the skills, tools, capital and distribution to produce a film were far more limited.

I have nothing against black and white films by nature. I love The Man Who Wasn't There, a 2001 film. I respect Metropolis for its production and vision of sci fi set pieces even though the version I watched was way too long.

I believe that film is an evolving conversation just like with literature and that many modern filmmakers have been able to learn from and improve on works from much of the 20th century when the medium was in its cradle.

All that said, it has been pointed out that there is something of a normal distribution present with the oldest and newest films making either tail, so my first impression scrolling through the list was a little hasty.

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masterbarf
12/06/22 3:04:46 AM
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Doe posted...
I dont think I ever invalidated older films, i questioned whether more recent filmmakers were being disregarded for choices that, while foundational or influential, also represent a time when access to the skills, tools, capital and distribution to produce a film were far more limited.
Doe posted...
I believe that film is an evolving conversation just like with literature and that many modern filmmakers have been able to learn from and improve on works from much of the 20th century when the medium was in its cradle.
Film changes over time and there are things that can be done today that couldn't be done decades prior, but I don't think the potential to create a great film as changed at all in the last century. Neither newer nor more equals better. We don't look at paintings and judge how good they are based on the number of colors used, number of techniques used, or how recently they were painted. Maybe a bad example but if I don't elaborate my fifth grade English teacher will give me a D.

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Beetlejo
12/06/22 5:37:46 AM
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masterbarf posted...
I haven't seen the movie or even read the synopsis you copied and pasted, but a good actor and director can capture a lot in a small moment. Our experiences are rich and layered. Yea, sometimes dropping a fork is just dropping a fork. But not all fork drops are alike. And the differences in those anomalies can communicate a lot of information about the person. Being able to communicate lots of information in a small moment is much more interesting, human, more engaging, and certainly more of an artistic accomplishment than fast moving, loud noise producing, Chinese government approved, CGI children's toys.

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MabusIncarnate
12/06/22 5:46:13 AM
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Garbage tier snooty hollywood crap, needs more Avengers.

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masterpug53
12/06/22 11:04:23 AM
#85:


DeadBankerDream posted...
The Silenzio scene, right?

Right?

Nothing got me more hot and bothered as a young man than a timely callback to Jean-Luc Godard's Le Mepris.

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TheOnionKnight
12/06/22 12:04:32 PM
#86:


masterbarf posted...
David Lynch is my favorite director, and Mulholland Drive is my favorite movie so allow me to elaborate.

It's a good movie. The fuck I look like, a writer or something?

lol I should really watch it again. I love David Lynch, but I prefer almost all of his movies over Mulholland Drive. Eraserhead, Blue Velvet, and Inland Empire are probably my favorites. (Well, Twin Peaks: The Return is my true favorite, but that's not a movie.) Which, again, isn't a strike against Mulholland Drive. It's good! But I'm obviously missing whatever it is that has everyone else ranking it so highly.

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masterpug53
12/06/22 12:09:32 PM
#87:


TheOnionKnight posted...
lol I should really watch it again. I love David Lynch, but I prefer almost all of his movies over Mulholland Drive. Eraserhead, Blue Velvet, and Inland Empire are probably my favorites. (Well, Twin Peaks: The Return is my true favorite, but that's not a movie.) Which, again, isn't a strike against Mulholland Drive. It's good! But I'm obviously missing whatever it is that has everyone else ranking it so highly.

I may be paraphrasing here slightly, but I believe this was the committee's official defense of their choice: "While the other works in Mr. Lynch's filmography are certainly bold and innovative, they regrettably lack Mulholland Drive's hot lesbian sex scene, and thus were not worthy of our consideration."

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Zithers
12/06/22 3:14:17 PM
#88:


TheOnionKnight posted...
lol I should really watch it again. I love David Lynch, but I prefer almost all of his movies over Mulholland Drive. Eraserhead, Blue Velvet, and Inland Empire are probably my favorites. (Well, Twin Peaks: The Return is my true favorite, but that's not a movie.) Which, again, isn't a strike against Mulholland Drive. It's good! But I'm obviously missing whatever it is that has everyone else ranking it so highly.

someone voted for twin peaks the return

someone also voted for twin peaks (1990-2017) as a whole. very disturbing.

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Blue_Inigo
12/06/22 4:33:50 PM
#89:


What kind of moron votes for a tv show when talking about films

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Zithers
12/06/22 4:41:16 PM
#90:


Blue_Inigo posted...
What kind of moron votes for a tv show when talking about films

theyre just real big sickos i guess

i cant wait for entire list of individual ballots to drop - not gonna happen until january i think. sad. but someone posted every director list featured in the actual sight and sound magazine. which didnt include all of them obv but had plenty in there.

you can check this guy's account for them if you wish:

https://twitter.com/thejoshl

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uEuphoricXDrekt
12/06/22 4:51:46 PM
#91:


LightningAce11 posted...
I was wondering if Everything Everywhere All at Once would be on the list.
I'd hope not, that movie was fucking dog poo
I can't believe how people have clung onto that movie, one of the dumbest pieces of media I've ever consumed (half of)

Blue_Inigo posted...
Miyazaki movies should be higher tbh
This, and there should be more of them
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Blue_Inigo
12/06/22 4:53:01 PM
#92:


EEAAO is the 3rd best film I've seen this year

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Joelypoely
12/06/22 4:57:09 PM
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Would be nice to see a few more Korean films there, their Thriller movie plots are especially well-crafted.

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Zithers
12/06/22 4:59:50 PM
#94:


EEAAO is indeed a bad movie

however it will probably win best picture at the oscars and go down as a classic for some reason

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IShall_Run_Amok
12/06/22 5:35:59 PM
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Quite a few television miniseries are considered to be films, some of them were even conceived as films for theatrical distribution while they were being made. Edgar Reitz's Heimat (and its sequels) is one example of this - the Blu-ray is even in the original widescreen aspect ratio, though the work that aired on TV was in a standard TV framing - and I believe David Lynch was writing Twin Peaks: The Return as a single film and not a television series.

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IShall_Run_Amok
12/06/22 5:36:32 PM
#96:


Blue_Inigo posted...
EEAAO is the 3rd best film I've seen this year
5th best for me, so far.

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DeadBankerDream
12/06/22 5:37:25 PM
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Lonesome Dove is a great western movie.

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