Current Events > Reminder you have zero right to complain about the election results if...

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you don't excerise your right to vote. Obviously, does not apply to minors or people who cannot vote in certain circumstances. I have zero empathy for you otherwise and your opinion will mean nothing to me and it will mean nothing to the folk voted in.

There's plenty of reasons for someone to have been disenfranchised of their abiltiy to vote. I'm not saying those reasons inherently apply to anyone on CE, but if someone lives in a state that requires an ID to vote it can be intentionally hard to acquire said ID.

What if I had no right to vote in American elections? Can I still complain?

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What kind of analogy is that? I'm calling out people who had every single opportunity to vote. Yours is that of people who have no power to do anything.

You're right TC. As a progressive who lives in NJ, it's my fault Florida just elected DeSatan.

My mistake. I'll do better.

Whatever you say, 2 AMP alt who I am totally sure is posting in good faith.

Im not allowed to have an opinion about another countrys election results now?

ShotWaifu posted...

You're right TC. As a progressive who lives in NJ, it's my fault Florida just elected DeSatan.

My mistake. I'll do better.

Who did you elect in your state?

DeadBankerDream posted...

What if I had no right to vote in American elections? Can I still complain?

Of course, this post doesn't include foreigners. It is to only call out those who had multiple opportunities to vote in the USA.

wackyteen posted...

ns inherently apply to anyone on CE, but if someone lives in a state that requires an ID to vote it can be intentionally hard to acquire said ID.

What states make it hard to get ID? In my state, it can be a pain to deal with the DMV back then but you can just walk in and get what you need now, post-pandemic.

Who did you elect in your state?

I abstained from voting because no one that appealed to me was on the ballot.

The opposite is true. I have more right to complain. You are the one that voted the people in that f'd everything up.

They have every right to complain. Not voting doesn't waive that.

There are no consequences for complaining after not voting, so telling them they have no right is an empty and toothless statement at best.

"Don't vote, don't complain" is one of the stupider takes people use to try to guilt-trip people into voting.

Also, hardly anyone gives a shit about your empathy or opinion. So withholding it is also an empty and toothless statement.

7lightsXIII posted...

What states make it hard to get ID? In my state, it can be a pain to deal with the DMV back then but you can just walk in and get what you need now, post-pandemic.

I know I've heard of one story, forget the state(want to say in the South though), where the only place to get your ID was only open like every 2nd and 4th Tuesday of the month, and you had to make appointments, and the appointments was the only time they could address your issues.

Now imagine you're poor, constantly working, have kids, have no car, etc and trying to fit an insane restriction into your busy schedule while trying to figure out how to get all of the documentation so you can get the ID so you can then go through the voter registration process.

That's where I remember the story ending.

Now imagine also:

on election day, you've been scheduled for a 12 hour shift and don't get to exercise your right to vote.

It sounds insane but it happens.

It isn't just a matter of showing up and voting for everybody.

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ShotWaifu posted...

I abstained from voting because no one that appealed to me was on the ballot.

Not a single person? Nothing local interested you either? In my area, we had to vote on stuff like to raise police salaries and such.

Sphyx posted...

Also, hardly anyone gives a shit about your empathy or opinion. So withholding it is also an empty and toothless statement.

Coolio. Still means you coulda voted but you didn't. The most important message here is that YOUR opinion won't matter to your elected constituents who don't actually represent you.

wackyteen posted...

I know I've heard of one story, forget the state(want to say in the South though), where the only place to get your ID was only open like every 2nd and 4th Tuesday of the month, and you had to make appointments, and the appointments was the only time they could address your issues.

Now imagine you're poor, constantly working, have kids, have no car, etc and trying to fit an insane restriction into your busy schedule while trying to figure out how to get all of the documentation so you can get the ID so you can then go through the voter registration process.

That's where I remember the story ending.

Now imagine also:

on election day, you've been scheduled for a 12 hour shift and don't get to exercise your right to vote.

It sounds insane but it happens.

It isn't just a matter of showing up and voting for everybody.

This is why I support making election day a paid holiday, with it's purposes benefiting for those who are less fortunate. The truth is that there are many people, especially young people, who are actively choosing to not vote when they had the opportunities compared to the people like in your example couldn't get it done.

7lightsXIII posted...

What states make it hard to get ID? In my state, it can be a pain to deal with the DMV back then but you can just walk in and get what you need now, post-pandemic.

google "us voter suppression"

wow, homie doesn't know about the first amendment OR anonymous voting.

The most important message here is that YOUR opinion won't matter to your elected constituents who don't actually represent you.

lol, pretending as if politicians know who did or didn't vote for them and go out of their way to any sort of degree to pander to the former

7lightsXIII posted...

Coolio. Still means you coulda voted but you didn't. The most important message here is that YOUR opinion won't matter to your elected constituents who don't actually represent you.

You're assuming I don't vote.
You're wrong.

7lightsXIII posted...

This is why I support making election day a paid holiday, with it's purposes benefiting for those who are less fortunate. The truth is that there are many people, especially young people, who are actively choosing to not vote when they had the opportunities compared to the people like in your example couldn't get it done.

Because it's hard to be motivated to vote for someone you care strongly for when the area you live in when the opposition wins by 40+ points and approx 130K-140K people.

When everyone you know and everything you see, is Bible thumping, Q anon spewing, Trump humping, and traitor Confederate flag waving.

Imagine being an actual minority while still being of the color/ethnicity of majority. Imagine being demonized by people you know as soon as they find out you don't think like them.

You could dump billions of dollars into opposition campaigns where I'm from and the opposition would still lose. The GOP here could be caught on camera murdering children and literally drinking their blood and they'd still win the district or the county.

That's why I didn't bother sending in a mail-in ballot. Because I know where I'm from. And I know I don't belong.

7lightsXIII posted...

Coolio. Still means you coulda voted but you didn't. The most important message here is that YOUR opinion won't matter to your elected constituents who don't actually represent you.

My opinion doesn't matter to them. I don't donate to their campaigns. I could suck their mother fucking dick and my opinion will never matter to them. I could save their fucking life 10 times over, and my opinion will never matter to them.

Because I don't think like them. I don't vote like their voters want them to. I don't want them to do things that would secure an already secured vote.

You're talking like someone who lives in a place where races matter. Where what you say, what you do, matters. Come to somewhere that it doesn't matter and see.

If someone gave you the choice on how theyd torture you i guess you have no right to complain unless you dont choose.

7lightsXIII posted...

Not a single person? Nothing local interested you either? In my area, we had to vote on stuff like to raise police salaries and such.

Nope. I live in a small town that always votes for the same people. It never affects me in a way that I feel like I need to vote.

Non-voters are just lazy and get angry whenever they get called out for it.

note: does not apply to people that legally cannot vote or people being actively disenfranchised.

K181 posted...

Non-voters are just lazy and get angry whenever they get called out for it.

note: does not apply to people that legally cannot vote or people being actively disenfranchised.

How about this? I don't plan on participating in an election where I need to vote against the candidate I'd rather not have, instead of voting for the candidate I want.

Until the DNC starts pushing legitimate candidates out that don't embrace neoliberalism and grifting status quos, I don't feel as if I should be a part of keeping that system together.

::insert George Carlin bit on how non voters actually are the only ones who can complain here::

This always has been, and always will be , an ignorant take.

K181 posted...

Non-voters are just lazy and get angry whenever they get called out for it.

note: does not apply to people that legally cannot vote or people being actively disenfranchised.

They'll complain about losing Roe v Wade but when you ask them who they voted for that could have prevented it they just give a bs excuse about there being no perfect candidate so they didn't bother voting at all.

It's like standing in the path of a blazing inferno but refusing to get out of the way because they don't like their escape options.

A_Good_Boy posted...

They'll complain about losing Roe v Wade but when you ask them who they voted for that could have prevented it they just give a bs excuse about there being no perfect candidate so they didn't bother voting at all.

It's like standing in the path of a blazing inferno but refusing to get out of the way because they don't like their escape options.

Being pro-abortion where I live is literally likely to get you killed. Nobody I could vote for would be pro-abortion if they wanted even a sliver of a chance of winning.

So the answer to your question is: Vote for somebody who wants to kill, gut, and feast on the entrails of Roe V Wade and Vote for somebody who would still vote to kill Roe V Wade.

great. fucking. options.

Again. You're talking from living in a world where your choices matter. Where you have options. There are no fucking options where I am from. You either conform or you die (politically)

You absolutely can. You have the right to vote... between 1-2 candidates realistically. The system itself is broken beyond repair.

Eh I chose not to vote because I've been in rehab this past month which added to I hadn't been paying attention even before so I woulda been a highly uniformed voter.

The only thing I knew about was a guy was forced to resign like literally last month but decided to run again anyways. Even despite they said they would relaunch their campaign to get him booted should he win

Nah. Fuck this reasoning. If you don't vote, "you cant complain because you didn't vote!"

But if you did vote "why are you complaining? You voted for them!"

and if you vote 3rd party "you cant complain because you threw away your vote!"

And if you voted for a big two party and lost? "Haha cry moar"

Just let people be angry and bitter at a broken system. Claiming that people should only complain under certain conditions is just a futile attempt to feel like one has control over something that makes them feel powerless. "Sure, the system sucks ass. But I follow these arbitrary rules I made up in my head, so I can distract myself from my anxieties by criticizing the people who are just as powerless as I am"

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I'd agree in cases where someone couldn't be bothered voting; not so much in cases where there was no suitable candidate to vote for.

If you go out, and you vote, and you elect dishonest incompetent people into office, and they get into office, and screw everything up, then you are responsible for what they have done. You voted them in. You have no right to complain.

I, on the other hand, who did not vote, who in fact did not even leave the house on election day, am in no way responsible for what these people have done and have every reason to complain as loud as I want about the mess that you made that I had nothing to do with.