Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 397: Rishi Rich

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I've been eyeing new Zealand as my preferred fleeing the country country.

Living in Europe with a destabilized USA sounds terrible

Boy it sure is a good thing that one of the largest European countries didnt separate itself from the EU and broader European community explicitly to seek stronger ties with America right before all the instability in the US kicked off in earnest!

Oh.

In all seriousness, the solution for Europe is to come together stronger, separate from both the US and Russia. Luckily that is now happening and we are seeing moves towards things like European energy independence. And yeah that includes the UK gearing back towards Europe. Itll happen (because brexit is a massive failure) but its a long term project.

I think one of the problems Western Europe has is it has let the United States subsidize its defense. Western Europe has been able to neglect defense spending due to Nato

If the US starts to crumble some of Western Europe is going to need to triple or quadruple defense spending immediately which is going to be rough

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

The Hill isnt a liberal website, Corrik.

Funny enough, people across the spectrum assume that it is, but the numbers dont shake that way:

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/hill-media-bias

The Hill famously posted MANY editorials by Trump staffers and mouthpieces during his term.

A particular memory I have is of a friend sharing an article from Trumps press Secretary saying If the left wing Hill is saying this, you know Dems are in trouble lol.

This is hilarious, The Hill is so obviously written from a faux-liberal perspective by conservatives. I followed them for a bit and it became transparently obvious one of their main strategies was trying to get hate clicks from liberals

To be fair NATO is also strongly supported by its second largest military Turkey, a very stable country with no problems.

Yeah though, there needs to be more European defence co-operation that goes outside of NATO. The EU already covers mutual defence but that can be strengthened.

Did you know, for instance, that post-brexit the UK and EU have no formal defence pact? The UK has an existing one with Ireland and signed treaties with Sweden and Finland after Russia invaded Ukraine but thats it. It is mind boggling that they havent signed a formal defence agreement yet, given how many times Trump threatened to collapse NATO. Signing a defence agreement with the EU is an obvious win for an incoming Labour government.

LS, what do you mean that Ireland has really expensive housing? I've been occasionally browsing homes in Ireland for the last few years and have always been amazed at how cheap it is - how you can get what looks like a very nice house with some land for a price that would get you maybe an apartment in California. Is there some tax for foreign buyers that I'm not aware of? Or is my perspective just miscalibrated from living in California?

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

This is hilarious, The Hill is so obviously written from a faux-liberal perspective by conservatives. I followed them for a bit and it became transparently obvious one of their main strategies was trying to get hate clicks from liberals

LOL by what metric is The Hill left?

In 2016 it was the 2nd most shared news outlet by Trump supporters per a Harvard Analysis behind only Breitbart and ahead of Fox News. (Said Harvard study, conducted in 2017, evaluated The Hill as center-right at the time. Though later, around the first Trump impeachment re: Ukraine reporting came out that the owner was interfering in editorial decisions to be more pro-Trump among other scandals that pointed toards right wing influence/power there)

In Dublin a cramped studio will run you 1,000+ per month in rent, and a normal sized one bed apartment will be 1,500+. For buyers its not as bad but still very, very expensive with an average price of 500,000. It at least was more expensive than London for a while.

Now, outside of Dublin its much cheaper, though prices are rising everywhere. Its a major crisis and basically the central issue politically here for the past few years.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

The Hill isnt a liberal website, Corrik.

Funny enough, people across the spectrum assume that it is, but the numbers dont shake that way:

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/hill-media-bias

The Hill famously posted MANY editorials by Trump staffers and mouthpieces during his term.

A particular memory I have is of a friend sharing an article from Trumps press Secretary saying If the left wing Hill is saying this, you know Dems are in trouble lol.

Your source has it on the left moreso... and it is only weighted to the center by self described left. If you view CNN as not liberal, then using this source at all is just pointless for your own argument.

That said.

Republicans rated The Hill as Lean Left on average, while Democrats and Independents rated The Hill on the left side of Center.
A total of 924 people from across the political spectrum people who identified as Left, Lean Left, Center, Lean Right, or Right rated the bias of The Hill. The weighted average was -0.76, on a scale from -9 to 9. This is in the Center category, and close to Lean Left. The middle 50% of responses lied between -3.13 (Left) and -0.02 (Center).

The middle deviations of responses landed all on the left side of the spectrum.

Our February 2020 Blind Bias Survey showed that participants who rated themselves as Lean Right and Right thought The Hill's content is Lean Left, but not by much. Those who self-identified as being in the Center perceived The Hill's content as being on the border line of Center and Lean Left. Those who describe themselves as Left see The Hill's content as Center; those who describe themselves as Lean Left see the content as between Lean Left and Center.

If you view yourself as left, you view it as center. If you lean left, are center, or are right... you see it as going towards lean left.

My ideal outcome would be for Democrats to hold the House and Republicans to take the Senate. Sadly that looks like the least likely outcome.

https://twitter.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1589646109034831874?s=46&t=cNJ0E4POR_Pvc3cRH0N3RQ

https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1589649433536659456?s=46&t=cNJ0E4POR_Pvc3cRH0N3RQ

Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1589646109034831874?s=46&t=cNJ0E4POR_Pvc3cRH0N3RQ

Owners of platforms have the right to free speech, the same as everyone else.

That in combination with Musk forcefully unblocking himself from people who have blocked him over the last several days is pretty fucked!

It's almost a good thing that he's so absolutely destroyed his social capital in the past few months, so that his stupid proclamation (that for the record, may have held water pre-2008, definitely no longer does) can be laughed at and ignored.

I may actually hate this guy now, instead of just thinking hes a dumb guy that sucks.

red_sox_777 posted...

My ideal outcome would be for Democrats to hold the House and Republicans to take the Senate. Sadly that looks like the least likely outcome.

Ideally the house would be deadlocked with an independent who refuses to break the deadlock to stop pointless investigations and political nonsense. The senate would be republican.

Corrik7 posted...

Ideally the house would be deadlocked with an independent who refuses to break the deadlock to stop pointless investigations and political nonsense. The senate would be republican.

That sounds amazing. To clarify, you mean the independent would allow the pointless investigations and political nonsense to go on, or they would stop them?

red_sox_777 posted...

That sounds amazing. To clarify, you mean the independent would allow the pointless investigations and political nonsense to go on, or they would stop them?

He would stop all investigations.

when the 50-y/o prodigy coder genius doesn't know how to screencap

https://twitter.com/whstancil/status/1589707472172093446?s=46&t=2khM09G93c_buIO-kvtRhg

*blink* *blink*

*Writes the article before getting their poll back*
"Is my article out of touch? No, must be the people."
*Posts article*

Thorn posted...

*Writes the article before getting their poll back*
"Is my article out of touch? No, must be the people."
*Posts article*

Could also be the fabled News Report Option Select

https://twitter.com/Sklarsky/status/1589708795428470784

Polling and news factions of outlets rarely work in tandem.

Foxnews has one of the better regarded polling outfits and they tend to skew slightly left in polls. While their news is a bit... different.

Trump has never forgiven them for being the first network to call Arizona for Biden

I gave it a bit to see if it was posted because I was curious if it would, but it doesn't look like it will and I don't think I was wrong when I said this stuff gets less traction when a democrat does it

https://www.denver7.com/news/politics/democratic-boulder-co-state-representative-charged-accused-of-misrepresenting-her-residence

Multiple felonies in order to run in a different district from their residence.

Oh fuck guys plum owned us

Suprak_the_Stud posted...

Oh fuck guys plum owned us

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/5/4/AANz_VAAD26a.jpg

masterplum posted...

I gave it a bit to see if it was posted because I was curious if it would, but it doesn't look like it will and I don't think I was wrong when I said this stuff gets less traction when a democrat does it

You're probably not wrong but I think it also gets less traction when it's clear someone is already facing appropriate consequences for their actions

Committing felonies to misrepresent your residence is obviously a bad thing. She should not be able to run and if the party knew this they're fucking idiots for not stopping it.

I have no issue calling that out. Though also if you're trying to act like that's on parity with the stories posted here about GOP state reps (nevermind how the context places it in a much larger narrative about the actions the party is taking on all levels - national, state, and local) then lmfao.

Thorn posted...

Committing felonies to misrepresent your residence is obviously a bad thing. She should not be able to run and if the party knew this they're fucking idiots for not stopping it.

I have no issue calling that out. Though also if you're trying to act like that's on parity with the stories posted here about GOP state reps (nevermind how the context places it in a much larger narrative about the actions the party is taking on all levels - national, state, and local) then lmfao.

Wait

You think crimes involving election fraud are less concerning than crimes that are personal in nature when it comes to politics?

In my opinion, this is a ridiculous prosecution. Who cares whether she spent more time at her residence in her district or her place outside the district. If she didn't have a place in her district at all that would be one thing, but she does; the prosecutors are just claiming she didn't spend enough time there.

Kenri posted...

You're probably not wrong but I think it also gets less traction when it's clear someone is already facing appropriate consequences for their actions

I think this is the key point. One side certainly has much more trouble holding their own accountable, and thus those stories naturally gain more traction because they aren't dealt with swiftly.

red_sox_777 posted...

In my opinion, this is a ridiculous prosecution. Who cares whether she spent more time at her residence in her district or her place outside the district. If she didn't have a place in her district at all that would be one thing, but she does; the prosecutors are just claiming she didn't spend enough time there.

She lied under oath about where she was living for political gain.

It's as open and shut as that

masterplum posted...

She lied under oath about where she was living for political gain.

It's as open and shut as that

It's not open and shut at all, or if it is it's in the other direction. Residence is about the intent of the person. For example, college students may have a residence at their parents' home because that is where they return during the Summer, on breaks, etc. and that is where they subjectively view as their home and to which they intend to return.

She has a place in the district. She declares that it is her home. Unless she's confessed that it isn't or something, I don't see how a jury could find her guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Her residence does not have to be the place where she spends the most time - for example, DJT transferred his residence from New York to Florida at a time when he actually spent the most time in DC. Dick Cheney transferred his residence from Texas to Wyoming so he would be eligible to be VP under Bush. It was a subjective thing.

masterplum posted...

Wait

You think crimes involving election fraud are less concerning than crimes that are personal in nature when it comes to politics?

Is misrepresenting your place of residence election fraud? When I think election fraud I think illegally inflating or suppressing the vote. But I'll set aside the semantics here and say it should certainly be disqualifying even if I think a philosophical argument exists that a constituency should be free to elect a representative for themselves even if they don't live there. (Same kinda lines to which I would argue term limits are anti-democratic)

But do I, for example, think the crime of saying you live in a district you don't (which appears to be due to redistricting) is less concerning than a crime "of a personal nature" when said personal nature is, say, "grooming and raping an adopted minor" ( https://www.thedailybeast.com/south-dakota-state-senate-candidate-joel-koskan-accused-of-molesting-family-member ) like the story I posted the other day? Yeah.

tl;dr: Given I have some philosophical issues with questions of candidate eligibility, yeah, I would personally consider a crime of that nature to be less concerning than some other types of crime. I'm not saying you should get away with it at all, but I'm also not putting it in the same category as illegally modifying a vote count which is where I think most people go to when you say "election fraud."

Also - arresting a candidate on the eve of the election? That's all sorts of wrong.

Also, I feel like oftentimes highlighting some of the instances - certainly when I do so - is placing it within the context of what the GOP is doing and plans to do.

Like in the above, the GOP is running heavily on anti-trans rhetoric and policy under the pretext of "protecting the children" and I think cases like the one I highlighted show the hypocrisy and projection it all is. Even as you have Florida banning gender-affirming care and discussed making a registry for trans kids (and even a "and maybe we should do this for adults as well) and how GOP states across the country are following in their footsteps.

red_sox_777 posted...

It's not open and shut at all, or if it is it's in the other direction. Residence is about the intent of the person. For example, college students may have a residence at their parents' home because that is where they return during the Summer, on breaks, etc. and that is where they subjectively view as their home and to which they intend to return.

She has a place in the district. She declares that it is her home. Unless she's confessed that it isn't or something, I don't see how a jury could find her guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Her residence does not have to be the place where she spends the most time - for example, DJT transferred his residence from New York to Florida at a time when he actually spent the most time in DC. Dick Cheney transferred his residence from Texas to Wyoming so he would be eligible to be VP under Bush. It was a subjective thing.

Wait so I'm confused. Does Oz live in PA or not?

when you post news for the sole reason to whine about nobody else posting about it lmfao seriously get your head out of your ass

We were asking for it though when we disagreed with his "masturbating in a school zone is ok as long as you aren't actively making eye contact with a third grader and singing the Blue's Clues theme song" stance, to be fair.

I've definitely posted stuff about malfeasance from Dem politicians in the past, e.g. this fucker
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Coleman

I'm not gonna say that the topic is totally unbiased or anything, but I'm pretty sure that R politicians do significantly more sick shit than Dems nowadays, particularly after the party's been Trumpified

Shes a state rep who lied about living in the wrong house after redistricting, whats their to say?

Is Aaron Coleman running in tomorrow's election? Initially I thought he would make a good fit for a party switch but his policy positions appear to be antithetical to the GOP so that's probably out.

red_sox_777 posted...

Is Aaron Coleman running in tomorrow's election? Initially I thought he would make a good fit for a party switch but his policy positions appear to be antithetical to the GOP so that's probably out.

Looks like he got crushed in the Dem primary (~13%)

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Shes a state rep who lied about living in the wrong house after redistricting, whats their to say?

p much

likewise if plum didin't go all in on defending the public masturbator that discussion would not have lasted the pages he brought it to

Madison Cawthorn lost his primary too (by less than 1500 votes).

red_sox_777 posted...

Dick Cheney transferred his residence from Texas to Wyoming so he would be eligible to be VP under Bush.

Hes eligible no matter where he lives, if he stayed in Texas it would just mean that Texas couldnt vote for him for VP. All the other states could.

Given how close 2000 was that might actually be an issue though; I havent checked

We will see this pop up again if theres a Trump/DeSantis ticket

Jakyl25 posted...

We will see this pop up again if theres a Trump/DeSantis ticket

Trump hates him, so probably not gonna happen!

Its gonna be Trump/Tulsi, isnt it?