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LightningStrikes
11/06/22 5:35:04 AM
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Nobody else was making the topic so I did.

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LightningStrikes
11/06/22 7:36:00 AM
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Anyway the title is a reference to how the new UK PM is a near-billionaire, the richest MP and the wealthiest PM of all time while cutting funding then telling the poor to make cuts to their spending. I know theres US mid-terms but the pun was too good to waste.

So anyway, Americas screwed eh?

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swordz9
11/06/22 7:39:15 AM
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Feels like a lot of the world is embracing these insane fascist governments really. Might be time to look into moving to a different continent soon
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LinkMarioSamus
11/06/22 7:49:59 AM
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The same Republican Party that's at the center of so much controversy now is going to take both branches of government. This world.

Maybe Republicans are galvanized when they're no longer the establishment? That leaves so many red flags for the country as a whole going forward, pun not intended.

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Peace___Frog
11/06/22 9:02:10 AM
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LightningStrikes posted...
Anyway the title is a reference to how the new UK PM Rishi Sunak is a near-billionaire, the richest MP and the wealthiest PM of all time while cutting funding then telling the poor to make cuts to their spending. I know theres US mid-terms but the pun was too good to waste.

So anyway, Americas screwed eh?
Do as the rich say, not as the rich do. Peasants don't deserve anything they've been given from the goodness of the hearts of the rich, and we'd all do well to remember that.

Nah but seriously, isn't that what truss got annihilated with? Was her budget that much worse than what Rishi's plan is?

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Peace___Frog
11/06/22 9:04:03 AM
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https://twitter.com/dril/status/900592164589248513?t=B1W8JEKstYHGFdUo3Jid7Q&s=19

All powerful dril

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masterplum
11/06/22 10:22:37 AM
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Great pun op

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Jakyl25
11/06/22 11:23:36 AM
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Yes I approve

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Thorn
11/06/22 12:14:49 PM
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I'm feeling pessimistic still so my midterm predictions are something like:

Senate: R+1 (No specific races I'm looking at here just general skepticism that everything holds. I'd say NV looks most vulnerable. So probably NV + Something goes wrong elsewhere)
House: R+25

Hope I'm wrong of course.

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UshiromiyaEva
11/06/22 12:32:59 PM
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There's part of me that wonders if polling is skewed by the amount of people saying they're going to vote republican versus the amount of people who are actually going to go vote.

Basically a reverse 2016 situation.

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Jakyl25
11/06/22 1:13:37 PM
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https://twitter.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1589274143257939970?s=46&t=xuGpAN71FInOH_zCLbmB4Q

This route will not go well for you Fox News

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_Blur_
11/06/22 3:55:04 PM
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red13n posted...

Nah people are innately afraid of things they see as "different" and generally have to learn otherwise. They can learn otherwise but if you reinforce their ideals its just people being fucking stupid

Ahh yes. This is why children at my workplace with the public are constantly saying hi to me, a stranger they don't know - the innate fear of others we're all born with!

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LordoftheMorons
11/06/22 3:57:10 PM
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https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1589342682442190848?s=21

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_Blur_
11/06/22 4:00:57 PM
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Elon slowly building up the credentials to run for president in the Republican party

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Thorn
11/06/22 4:01:33 PM
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_Blur_ posted...
Elon slowly building up the credentials to run for president in the Republican party
Born in South Africa, not eligible.

Not that they'd care.

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LightningStrikes
11/06/22 4:03:21 PM
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It feels like Fox are trying to make the Republican party not a personality cult of one man but the ship has sailed on that one.

swordz9 posted...
Feels like a lot of the world is embracing these insane fascist governments really. Might be time to look into moving to a different continent soon

Most of the democratic world is avoiding it, the problem is A) countries with non-proportional voting systems and B) countries with unstable, short cycle governments. Hilariously, the US is both.

If you want out Id recommend Ireland if you can afford the absurd cost of housing.

Peace___Frog posted...
Nah but seriously, isn't that what truss got annihilated with? Was her budget that much worse than what Rishi's plan is?

Yeah but Truss took it TO THE MAX. Rishi is basically doing the light version. What destroyed Truss (and the UK economy) was not just favouring the rich, but huge tax cuts for the wealthiest (along with broader small tax cuts and highly unpopular moves like scrapping caps on bankers bonuses and bringing back fracking) that were totally uncosted and then delaying any costings by two months. She also pledged no reduction in spending. The markets collapsed as a result of all of this signalling complete economic illiteracy. Sunak just wants to cut spending and not raise taxes even though it wont help. It will be a slow decline rather than a speedy one.

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Leafeon13N
11/06/22 4:04:48 PM
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_Blur_ posted...
Ahh yes. This is why children at my workplace with the public are constantly saying hi to me, a stranger they don't know - the innate fear of others we're all born with!
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Jakyl25
11/06/22 6:08:38 PM
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https://twitter.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1589393312716566529?s=46&t=xuGpAN71FInOH_zCLbmB4Q

So much for free speech

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LordoftheMorons
11/06/22 6:18:47 PM
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Wow it's almost as if there does, in fact, exist plenty of speech that's totally protected under the First Amendment that it nonetheless makes sense for companies to moderate on their platforms...!

I look forward to Elon learning more basic things about how the internet functions in the days ahead

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Grimlyn
11/06/22 6:24:22 PM
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god elon you were supposed to request the government to make parody accounts illegal

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LordoftheMorons
11/06/22 6:28:12 PM
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Also kinda weird that impersonation is grounds for permanent suspension, but inciting a coup is maybe only a temporary suspension (tbd)?

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Peace___Frog
11/06/22 6:53:43 PM
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LordoftheMorons posted...
Also kinda weird that impersonation is grounds for permanent suspension, but inciting a coup is maybe only a temporary suspension (tbd)?
One doesn't make people laugh at the ceo's expense

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Grimlyn
11/06/22 6:59:08 PM
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fire emblem is pretty political tbf to LtM

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Thorn
11/06/22 6:59:57 PM
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don't think i didn't see that

if the gop retakes thracia those maps will be gerrymandered to hell

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_Blur_
11/06/22 7:03:00 PM
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how is no one talking about "Ron Desanctimonious"

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HeroicCrono
11/06/22 7:06:55 PM
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LordoftheMorons posted...
Wow it's almost as if there does, in fact, exist plenty of speech that's totally protected under the First Amendment that it nonetheless makes sense for companies to moderate on their platforms...!

I look forward to Elon learning more basic things about how the internet functions in the days ahead

Impersonation is not protected under 1A.

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UshiromiyaEva
11/06/22 7:07:30 PM
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That was like 5 seconds, you guys are camping!

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LordoftheMorons
11/06/22 7:10:38 PM
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HeroicCrono posted...
Impersonation is not protected under 1A.
These were clear parody accounts, which is definitely protected speech

There's also other speech that Elon's said he wants to moderate which is protected (e.g. spam)

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_Blur_
11/06/22 7:11:53 PM
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_Blur_ posted...
how is no one talking about "Ron Desanctimonious"

also hoooooly fucking shit - actual Ron DeSantis ad:

https://twitter.com/CaseyDeSantis/status/1588539069243473924?t=TnWcNPFJ7O33NfQ33ZjN9Q&s=19

trying to steal the cult for sure. this shit is a whole new level, so uhhh earned nickname

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HeroicCrono
11/06/22 7:14:59 PM
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LordoftheMorons posted...
These were clear parody accounts, which is definitely protected speech

There's also other speech that Elon's said he wants to moderate which is protected (e.g. spam)

He said parody accounts are allowed. I don't think spam is protected in general either (for example, courts are okay with the Fair Credit Reporting Act which limits the ability of debt collectors to call debtors).

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LordoftheMorons
11/06/22 7:24:14 PM
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HeroicCrono posted...
He said parody accounts are allowed. I don't think spam is protected in general either (for example, courts are okay with the Fair Credit Reporting Act which limits the ability of debt collectors to call debtors).
He said that parody accounts need to be clearly marked, which is absolutely not a requirement for them to have First Amendment protection (and the accounts he banned were not subtle; like they were posting stuff about drinking their own pee)

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HeroicCrono
11/06/22 7:34:12 PM
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LordoftheMorons posted...
He said that parody accounts need to be clearly marked, which is absolutely not a requirement for them to have First Amendment protection (and the accounts he banned were not subtle; like they were posting stuff about drinking their own pee)

Depends on what clearly means. Like I would say that Devin Nunes's cow account was clearly a parody.

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Thorn
11/06/22 7:34:42 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1589393312716566529?s=46&t=xuGpAN71FInOH_zCLbmB4Q

So much for free speech
dril warned us but we didn't listen

https://twitter.com/dril/status/440897106732412928

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NFUN
11/06/22 9:19:14 PM
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https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1589376446333845506

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LightningStrikes
11/06/22 9:26:05 PM
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Probably the least deranged thing hes said on the campaign trail.

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_Blur_
11/06/22 11:45:18 PM
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he's just a big Martian loving sweetheart

who beats women he's banging, makes them get an abortion, and abandons the kids he does have

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kevwaffles
11/06/22 11:58:09 PM
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https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1589396844131782656

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Corrik7
11/07/22 4:08:55 AM
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https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3722172-democrats-close-enthusiasm-gap-in-new-survey/

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LightningStrikes
11/07/22 4:51:17 AM
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I was thinking this before seeing that:

Why are polls in the US so bad? Like, polls miss occasionally in other countries (famous example being the UK in 2015 though even that was only 3%) but 95% of the time theyre accurate. In the US it seems like everybody expects an error its just a matter of which way it goes.

The great irony is that the example everybody cites is 2016, where polls were actually bang on at a national level and only off in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania at a state level which didnt actually matter as Trump still would have won either way. People were just unreasonably confident relative to the data.

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Corrik7
11/07/22 5:02:20 AM
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LightningStrikes posted...
I was thinking this before seeing that:

Why are polls in the US so bad? Like, polls miss occasionally in other countries (famous example being the UK in 2015 though even that was only 3%) but 95% of the time theyre accurate. In the US it seems like everybody expects an error its just a matter of which way it goes.

The great irony is that the example everybody cites is 2016, where polls were actually bang on at a national level and only off in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania at a state level which didnt actually matter as Trump still would have won either way. People were just unreasonably confident relative to the data.


That is btw the Hill a leading liberal websites take on one singular poll.

Now that said, all through this midterm I have said it is odd how little polling we have. A lot of those polls we see are ones we would have derided as Republican biased polls in the past. As Silver does point out, these Republican biased polls in the Trafalgar and the Rasmussen and InsiderAdvantage did end up being the most accurate in 2020. So, there is that. But, where is the other polls? It's hard to argue the polls are being flooded by Republican polls when very little polls from anyone else are coming out.

Yougov and surveyusa polls are unreliable because I believe they are just online surveys.

The Sienna appears to be a slanted outlier (clearly about 4 points to the favor of the democrat in almost every poll across the board). We are barely getting consistent polling though for the Senate races that you would think you would get though. Is it flooding or lack of polling?

We know that Georgia will go to a runoff. So the polling there doesn't really matter. But, Nevada and PA do matter.

My predictions are.

Republicans take Nevada and PA senate seats. Georgia goes to runoff where it doesn't matter.

Everyone else holds. NH, Arizona, etc stay Dem. Wisconsin, Ohio etc Repub.

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LordoftheMorons
11/07/22 5:28:15 AM
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Missed this one

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1588941228900589578

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red13n
11/07/22 6:03:56 AM
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LightningStrikes posted...
I was thinking this before seeing that:

Why are polls in the US so bad? Like, polls miss occasionally in other countries (famous example being the UK in 2015 though even that was only 3%) but 95% of the time theyre accurate. In the US it seems like everybody expects an error its just a matter of which way it goes.

The great irony is that the example everybody cites is 2016, where polls were actually bang on at a national level and only off in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania at a state level which didnt actually matter as Trump still would have won either way. People were just unreasonably confident relative to the data.

Americans think Democracy is bad and that pollsters/media are out to get them.

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masterplum
11/07/22 6:25:22 AM
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Going to be doing something different this year and Im going to avoid following minute to minute race coverage. Did that in 2020 and it really wasnt good for my health. Going to try my best to just check in Wednesday morning

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LightningStrikes
11/07/22 6:30:38 AM
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The other thing I dont get about US elections is why theyre so slow. Usually you have a reliable exit poll and projection the moment polls close and results before morning. The US takes days if not weeks for full results.

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ChaosTonyV4
11/07/22 9:55:54 AM
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The Hill isnt a liberal website, Corrik.

Funny enough, people across the spectrum assume that it is, but the numbers dont shake that way:

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/hill-media-bias

The Hill famously posted MANY editorials by Trump staffers and mouthpieces during his term.

A particular memory I have is of a friend sharing an article from Trumps press Secretary saying If the left wing Hill is saying this, you know Dems are in trouble lol.

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ChaosTonyV4
11/07/22 9:56:26 AM
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LordoftheMorons posted...
Missed this one

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1588941228900589578

She is 100% gunning for Vice President, huh.

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HeroicCrono
11/07/22 10:07:48 AM
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LightningStrikes posted...
The other thing I dont get about US elections is why theyre so slow. Usually you have a reliable exit poll and projection the moment polls close and results before morning. The US takes days if not weeks for full results.

We used to get results on election night or by morning at least. For whatever reason, mail ballots take massively longer to count.

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Suprak_the_Stud
11/07/22 10:14:42 AM
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There's an attack ad in Illinois right now where Joe Rogan whines about Illinois ending the cash bail system and they introduce him as "podcaster and Bernie Sanders supporter Joe Rogan" which is dumb in general but extra hilarious considering Bernie Sanders introduced the bill to ban cash bail on the federal level.

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AriaOfBolo
11/07/22 11:02:26 AM
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LightningStrikes posted...
If you want out Id recommend Ireland if you can afford the absurd cost of housing.

it costs a bazillion dollars just to get in

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LightningStrikes
11/07/22 11:12:32 AM
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Well, not if you have an Irish/British/other European grandparent or partner.

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