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Raka_Putra
08/16/22 3:10:06 AM
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Does chess count as a sport?



And this is not counting chess boxing.

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Snake5555555555
08/16/22 3:20:30 AM
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SHINE_GET_64
08/16/22 3:28:10 AM
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It's more of a sport than visual novels

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Kenri
08/16/22 4:16:41 AM
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SHINE_GET_64 posted...
It's more of a sport than golf


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Nanis23
08/16/22 4:48:21 AM
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It depends on the definition of sport
a game, competition, or activity needing physical effort and skill that is played or done according to rules, for enjoyment and/or as a job

Then no
Moving a piece with your hand is not considered "physical effort"

But then we question what "physical effort" means

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Katon
08/16/22 6:37:35 AM
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No

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neonreaper
08/16/22 6:46:19 AM
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Nope!

I think the IOC regards it as sports-like but not enough of a sport to consider for Olympics. that seems about right.


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andylt
08/16/22 6:53:20 AM
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Does autochess count as a sport?

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Aecioo
08/16/22 7:30:06 AM
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SHINE_GET_64 posted...
It's more of a sport than visual novels


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LightningStrikes
08/16/22 7:34:34 AM
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Yes. Also your brain is a part of your body.

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charmander6000
08/16/22 8:08:23 AM
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Yes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Association_of_International_Sports_Federations

It's also recognized by the International Olympic Committee

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changmas
08/16/22 10:18:48 AM
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Professional chess players use thousands of calories over the course of a tournament. And top players like Magnus Carlsen have emphasized working out to improve their chess performance. Yes.

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Lopen
08/16/22 10:24:56 AM
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I think it is and it's more of one than a few other sports like Golf, Darts, or Bowling.

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Emeraldegg
08/16/22 10:31:18 AM
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I think basically anything that can be classified as a competition can be a sport, but I would not call them professional athletes because chess is not athletic.

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Leonhart4
08/16/22 10:34:13 AM
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Random golf disrespect in this topic

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banananor
08/16/22 10:48:27 AM
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i'm sure there's an official answer, but i have my own headcanon definitions. to me, a sport

a) has a component of physical interaction, and

b) involves playing against a specific opponent you have to respond to strategically

if you have A without B, you have something like the high jump, 100 meter dash, or shotput events- pretty much anything you'd traditionally associate with the olympics. Golf and bowling fall into that category as well. I'd call these athletic competitions, but not sports.

if you have B without A, you have something like chess or competitive starcraft. I'd call these something- competitive games maybe- but not sports

the lines do get blurry, though. maybe chess and starcraft are a sub-category of sports that subtracts the athleticism portion

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Lopen
08/16/22 10:56:45 AM
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Leonhart4 posted...
Random golf disrespect in this topic

I actually like golf (and bowling and darts) I'm just saying Golf is basically a bunch of people playing a single player game for the highest score which to me isn't competition in a way I associate with sport.

It's basically the same reason people don't call Chess a sport just a focus on a different element of the definition (competition vs physical)

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Lopen
08/16/22 11:05:07 AM
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banananor posted...
if you have B without A, you have something like chess or competitive starcraft. I'd call these something- competitive games maybe- but not sports

the lines do get blurry, though. maybe chess and starcraft are a sub-category of sports that subtracts the athleticism portion

I mean to me athleticism is a weird line to tread.

Chess at a high level can be exhausting. Keeping focused that long is something that needs training.

Like okay yes Chess requires less athleticism than say soccer, but I'd argue so does baseball. Obviously baseball still requires enough, but where is the line drawn. I feel like auto racing requires much less still, but most people would still call that a sport.

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TomNook
08/16/22 11:54:11 AM
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Lopen posted...
Golf is basically a bunch of people playing a single player game for the highest score which to me isn't competition in a way I associate with sport.
Damn, you just ruled out 90% of the sports in the Olympics.

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Emeraldegg
08/16/22 11:58:20 AM
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"lowest" score

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charmander6000
08/16/22 1:21:42 PM
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banananor posted...
if you have A without B, you have something like the high jump, 100 meter dash, or shotput events- pretty much anything you'd traditionally associate with the olympics. Golf and bowling fall into that category as well. I'd call these athletic competitions, but not sports.

I'd argue that there is still some element of strategy in those events. For example, in golf you may make different decisions if you are behind or ahead.

Long distance running you see runners speed up or slow down at different points in the race as part of their strategy. There's less of that in the sprints since they are a lot shorter, but you do have athletes which may hold back during the early rounds in order to conserve energy.

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SeabassDebeste
08/16/22 3:47:09 PM
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lack of physical aspect has me leaning no.

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GuessMyUserName
08/16/22 4:03:05 PM
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is chess.com an e-sport

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Lopen
08/16/22 4:05:34 PM
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TomNook posted...
Damn, you just ruled out 90% of the sports in the Olympics.

Hmmm. I don't really know if it's the same thing. They're framed in a way that the scoring and such only really works if it's directly competitive.

Like you can totally bowl alone or golf alone.

Can you ice skate and get a judge's panel to rate you and have it mean something that matters alone? Not really. Some I see your point but I think you're oversimplifying what I'm saying to try and be smart.

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Leonhart4
08/16/22 4:24:13 PM
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Well yes, you generally don't get people to rate you when you perform alone and not in a competition, but I don't think "you can play this alone" automatically disqualifies something from being a sport.

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tazzyboyishere
08/16/22 4:28:09 PM
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Sure. Who gives a shit

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Emeraldegg
08/16/22 4:28:33 PM
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FWIW I think all of those "single player" sports aren't 100% single player, you are still in competition with other people and there are scenarios where certain outcomes affect how you play. IE if you're up by 2 strokes on the final hole in golf then you may dial it back, as opposed to pushing hard for a birdie on 17 down 1, etc. Just because the competitors are not directly, physically influencing your interaction with the ball doesn't really mean they have no effect on you.

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SeabassDebeste
08/16/22 4:45:47 PM
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this discussion of solitaire sports has me thinking a lot about the indirect interaction in board games

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Lopen
08/16/22 4:55:35 PM
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Leonhart4 posted...
but I don't think "you can play this alone" automatically disqualifies something from being a sport.

For the record I wasn't saying that either just that if we had this exhaustive list of sports that included Golf Chess and Bowling and we were ordered to remove the least sportlike from the list I would remove Bowling first, then Golf, then Chess.

To me they're all sports though and I completely get why people have a beef with Golf or Chess I just don't really agree with the beef.

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08/16/22 5:18:19 PM
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Wait autoracing is a sport?

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08/16/22 5:18:42 PM
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Also, chessboxing is where it's at

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Aecioo
08/16/22 5:31:14 PM
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Golf Chess sounds cool

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Johnbobb
08/16/22 6:58:11 PM
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Chess is a sport the same way poker is

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Uglyface2
08/16/22 7:48:20 PM
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A sport involves some sort of athletic component. Chess doesn't have that, so it's not a sport.
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GildedFool
08/16/22 7:48:26 PM
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Lopen posted...
Hmmm. I don't really know if it's the same thing. They're framed in a way that the scoring and such only really works if it's directly competitive.

Like you can totally bowl alone or golf alone.

Can you ice skate and get a judge's panel to rate you and have it mean something that matters alone? Not really. Some I see your point but I think you're oversimplifying what I'm saying to try and be smart.
100m sprint is exactly the same.

Your 9.8 second time is precisely the same whether other people are running next to you or not.

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TomNook
08/16/22 9:46:48 PM
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SeabassDebeste posted...
this discussion of solitaire sports has me thinking a lot about the indirect interaction in board games
One of the ones I hear the most is a game called Wingspan, currently one of the most popular and highest rated games in the world. I noticed a lot of people who haven't play it much seem to think it's a solitaire game, but they've definitely realize that's not the case when they play it more.

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Lopen
08/16/22 11:13:27 PM
#37:


GildedFool posted...
100m sprint is exactly the same.

Your 9.8 second time is precisely the same whether other people are running next to you or not.

No doubt. 90% of Olympic competitions do not meet this solo play standard, however.

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charmander6000
08/16/22 11:18:23 PM
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GildedFool posted...
100m sprint is exactly the same.

Your 9.8 second time is precisely the same whether other people are running next to you or not.

If everyone around you is running a 10.1+ then you'd want to save your energy and run a 10.0.

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Lopen
08/16/22 11:27:08 PM
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charmander6000 posted...
If everyone around you is running a 10.1+ then you'd want to save your energy and run a 10.0.

I do think this mindset applies to the longer dashes-- like the 400m or longer for sure.

In the 100m though I have my doubts this amount of strategy can be applied or is relevant though which is why I didn't dispute this one.

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MZero
08/16/22 11:42:19 PM
#40:


No

Golf is definitely a sport though

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Leonhart4
08/17/22 6:27:28 AM
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Lopen posted...
I do think this mindset applies to the longer dashes-- like the 400m or longer for sure.

In the 100m though I have my doubts this amount of strategy can be applied or is relevant though which is why I didn't dispute this one.

Unless you're Usain Bolt who literally pulled up right before the finish line just to stunt on everyone

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Paratroopa1
08/17/22 6:36:39 AM
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I don't care
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charmander6000
08/17/22 8:06:01 AM
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If you look at 100m races, typically the top athletes run slower in the heats/semi rounds.

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Corrik7
08/17/22 8:35:01 AM
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Chess is not a sport.

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