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Anagram 08/16/22 12:27:59 AM #1:	In other words, what's the minimum amount of player interaction required for a game to be a game? Yes No In other words, what's the minimum amount of player interaction required for a game to be a game? - Results (84 votes) Yes 90.48% (76 votes) 76 No 9.52% (8 votes) 8 Similar to the "are VNs games" debate, I suppose. --- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 <cite>Anagram posted [p:967338649] in Does Chute... [t:80131581]...</cite> <quote> In other words, what's the minimum amount of player interaction required for a game to be a game? Yes No Vote View Results In other words, what's the minimum amount of player interaction required for a game to be a game? - Results (84 votes) Yes 90.48% (76 votes) 76 No 9.52% (8 votes) 8 Show Voting Form function poll_vote() { var vote_option = $("input[name='poll_vote']:checked").val(); if(!vote_option) return; $.ajax({ type: 'POST', url: '/ajax/forum_poll_vote', data: { option: vote_option, board: '8', topic: '80131581', message: '0', key: '4383671a' }, success: function(response) { if(response.error) { alert(response.error); } else { $("#poll_vote").hide(); $("#poll_results").html(response.html).show(); } } }); } function view_results_legacy() { $("#poll_vote").hide(); $("#poll_results").show(); } function hide_results_legacy() { $("#poll_results").hide(); $("#poll_vote").show(); } Similar to the "are VNs games" debate, I suppose. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SHINE_GET_64 08/16/22 12:36:14 AM #2:	It's more of a game than a Visual Novel --- https://imgtc.com/i/iJnhdkc.gif https://imgtc.com/i/j45EVGx.png <cite>SHINE_GET_64 posted [p:967338777] in Does Chute... [t:80131581]...</cite> <quote>It's more of a game than a Visual Novel</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WarThaNemesis2 08/16/22 12:37:12 AM #3:	SHINE_GET_64 posted... It's more of a game than a Visual Novel --- Not a stinky alien. :( Nintendo Switch Code: SW-5719-6555-8388 <cite>WarThaNemesis2 posted [p:967338789] in Does Chute... [t:80131581]...</cite> <quote>SHINE_GET_64 posted... </cite><quote>It's more of a game than a Visual Novel</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UF8 08/16/22 12:39:20 AM #4:	i'd say it's more of a visual novel than a game <cite>UF8 posted [p:967338830] in Does Chute... [t:80131581]...</cite> <quote>i'd say it's more of a visual novel than a game</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0r0n 08/16/22 12:40:33 AM #5:	Depends if you think you are able to influence the dice at all. If you can't and they are random, then the moment you decide to start the game, the ending has also been decided. You just act out the motions and watch the results. It's the same as a VN or movie in that regard. --- _foolmo_ he says listen to my story this maybe are last chance <cite>foolm0r0n posted [p:967338848] in Does Chute... [t:80131581]...</cite> <quote>Depends if you think you are able to influence the dice at all. If you can't and they are random, then the moment you decide to start the game, the ending has also been decided. You just act out the motions and watch the results.It's the same as a VN or movie in that regard.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MZero 08/16/22 1:17:31 AM #6:	SHINE_GET_64 posted... It's more of a game than a Visual Novel --- MZero, to the extreme https://www.twitch.tv/kabazame <cite>MZero posted [p:967339367] in Does Chute... [t:80131581]...</cite> <quote>SHINE_GET_64 posted... </cite><quote>It's more of a game than a Visual Novel</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 08/16/22 1:20:32 AM #7:	If you can gamble on it, it's a game --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png <cite>pjbasis posted [p:967339407] in Does Chute... [t:80131581]...</cite> <quote>If you can gamble on it, it's a game</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TomNook 08/16/22 1:25:47 AM #8:	"game: a form of play or sport, especially a competitive one played according to rules and decided by skill, strength, or luck." Chutes and Ladders is a game. Visual novels are not. --- Bells, bells, bells! <cite>TomNook posted [p:967339470] in Does Chute... [t:80131581]...</cite> <quote><quote>"game: a form of play or sport, especially a competitive one played according to rules and decided by skill, strength, or luck."</quote>Chutes and Ladders is a game. Visual novels are not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0r0n 08/16/22 1:30:32 AM #9:	Y'all never bet on which waifu you would end up with? --- _foolmo_ he says listen to my story this maybe are last chance <cite>foolm0r0n posted [p:967339538] in Does Chute... [t:80131581]...</cite> <quote>Y'all never bet on which waifu you would end up with? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 08/16/22 1:36:14 AM #10:	Shots and Ladders is definitely a game --- Congrats to BKSheikah, who knows more about years than anyone else. <cite>Kenri posted [p:967339598] in Does Chute... [t:80131581]...</cite> <quote>Shots and Ladders is definitely a game</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
azuarc 08/16/22 1:46:40 AM #11:	Chutes and Ladders is a game because there's at least a strong illusion of the player doing something to affect the outcome. Candy Land, otoh, is just draw a card, do what it says. --- Only the exceptions can be exceptional. <cite>azuarc posted [p:967339706] in Does Chute... [t:80131581]...</cite> <quote>Chutes and Ladders is a game because there's at least a strong illusion of the player doing something to affect the outcome. Candy Land, otoh, is just draw a card, do what it says.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cyko 08/16/22 7:42:48 AM #12:	It's a great first game for children under the age of 5 to learn basic board game principles such as how to take turns, how to move on a board and how to follow rules. For anyone over the age of 5, it's a terrible experience. - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/5432/chutes-and-ladders/forums/63 I wouldn't compare Chutes and Ladders to being the Board Game equivalent of a Visual Novel though. There are plenty of popular board games out there that are all story and theme with very little actual gameplay - like Nemesis or Sherlock Holmes: Consulting Detective - that could be accurately compared to Visual Novels in Board Game form. --- Yay - azuarc is the guru champion of awesomeness. <cite>cyko posted [p:967342843] in Does Chute... [t:80131581]...</cite> <quote>It's a great first game for children under the age of 5 to learn basic board game principles such as how to take turns, how to move on a board and how to follow rules. For anyone over the age of 5, it's a terrible experience. -https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/5432/chutes-and-ladders/forums/63I wouldn't compare Chutes and Ladders to being the Board Game equivalent of a Visual Novel though. There are plenty of popular board games out there that are all story and theme with very little actual gameplay - like Nemesis or Sherlock Holmes: Consulting Detective - that could be accurately compared to Visual Novels in Board Game form.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterplum 08/16/22 7:47:25 AM #13:	SHINE_GET_64 posted... It's more of a game than a Visual Novel I mean yes, but I wouldnt say VNs are games either. If you can play while unconscious it isnt a game --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdWiElvIQAAQpBt.jpg <cite>masterplum posted [p:967342883] in Does Chute... [t:80131581]...</cite> <quote>SHINE_GET_64 posted... </cite><quote>It's more of a game than a Visual Novel</quote>I mean yes, but I wouldnt say VNs are games either.If you can play while unconscious it isnt a game</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 08/16/22 7:49:51 AM #14:	we're having this dumb argument again huh --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:967342908] in Does Chute... [t:80131581]...</cite> <quote>we're having this dumb argument again huh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NFUN 08/16/22 8:17:35 AM #15:	Courage to strengthen Fire to blind Music to dazzle Iron to bind --- Kneel... or you will be knelt <cite>NFUN posted [p:967343170] in Does Chute... [t:80131581]...</cite> <quote>Courage to strengthenFire to blindMusic to dazzleIron to bind</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nanis23 08/16/22 8:28:26 AM #16:	Leonhart4 posted... we're having this dumb argument again huh When will Anagram create a poll about "Aeris or Aerith" or "What Terra hair color is" or "who is the main character of FFVI" --- wololo <cite>Nanis23 posted [p:967343300] in Does Chute... [t:80131581]...</cite> <quote>Leonhart4 posted... </cite><quote>we're having this dumb argument again huh</quote>When will Anagram create a poll about "Aeris or Aerith" or "What Terra hair color is" or "who is the main character of FFVI"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 08/16/22 2:10:39 PM #17:	masterplum posted... I mean yes, but I wouldnt say VNs are games either. If you can play while unconscious it isnt a game There are lots of games that are automated enough once you get them set up that you can play them while asleep. I wouldn't even say VNs are really one of those because you at least need to be awake to advance the text and make choices. --- Congrats to BKSheikah, who knows more about years than anyone else. <cite>Kenri posted [p:967349622] in Does Chute... [t:80131581]...</cite> <quote>masterplum posted... </cite><quote>I mean yes, but I wouldnt say VNs are games either.If you can play while unconscious it isnt a game</quote>There are lots of games that are automated enough once you get them set up that you can play them while asleep. I wouldn't even say VNs are really one of those because you at least need to be awake to advance the text and make choices. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingButz 08/16/22 2:31:35 PM #18:	I'm not sure if it's a game but it's certainly a form of play and can be educational for very young children. I think that's the significant thing about it. --- to me hero's is just bad person <cite>KingButz posted [p:967350120] in Does Chute... [t:80131581]...</cite> <quote>I'm not sure if it's a game but it's certainly a form of play and can be educational for very young children. I think that's the significant thing about it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MacArrowny 08/16/22 3:55:49 PM #19:	Next you're going to say Cookie Clicker isn't a game --- All the stars in the sky are waiting for you. <cite>MacArrowny posted [p:967352089] in Does Chute... [t:80131581]...</cite> <quote>Next you're going to say Cookie Clicker isn't a game</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0r0n 08/16/22 11:31:08 PM #20:	azuarc posted... Chutes and Ladders is a game because there's at least a strong illusion of the player doing something to affect the outcome. Candy Land, otoh, is just draw a card, do what it says. Literally the same game --- _foolmo_ he says listen to my story this maybe are last chance <cite>foolm0r0n posted [p:967362064] in Does Chute... [t:80131581]...</cite> <quote>azuarc posted... </cite><quote>Chutes and Ladders is a game because there's at least a strong illusion of the player doing something to affect the outcome. Candy Land, otoh, is just draw a card, do what it says.</quote>Literally the same game </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuessMyUserName 08/16/22 11:35:44 PM #21:	lmao plebs just taking the top card of candy land --- I request affiliated many pipes. Been a bad girl, I know I am. And I'm so hot, I need a fan. I don't want a boy, I need a man. <cite>GuessMyUserName posted [p:967362135] in Does Chute... [t:80131581]...</cite> <quote>lmao plebs just taking the top card of candy land</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
paperwarior 08/17/22 2:05:54 AM #22:	I've thought about this with the card game War. It's all luck. You don't even choose between unknown possibilities. If you want to determine something by who wins, you might as well flip a coin. The mechanics of the rules are just so you can stretch out the time used up. --- "God Hand is the ultimate expression of the joy of humanity, specifically the punching part of the joy of humanity."-Shigeru Miyamoto <cite>paperwarior posted [p:967364136] in Does Chute... [t:80131581]...</cite> <quote>I've thought about this with the card game War. It's all luck. You don't even choose between unknown possibilities. If you want to determine something by who wins, you might as well flip a coin. The mechanics of the rules are just so you can stretch out the time used up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MacArrowny 08/17/22 2:46:36 AM #23:	paperwarior posted... I've thought about this with the card game War. It's all luck. You don't even choose between unknown possibilities. If you want to determine something by who wins, you might as well flip a coin. The mechanics of the rules are just so you can stretch out the time used up. So it's a game of chance. --- All the stars in the sky are waiting for you. <cite>MacArrowny posted [p:967364555] in Does Chute... [t:80131581]...</cite> <quote>paperwarior posted... </cite><quote>I've thought about this with the card game War. It's all luck. You don't even choose between unknown possibilities. If you want to determine something by who wins, you might as well flip a coin. The mechanics of the rules are just so you can stretch out the time used up.</quote>So it's a game of chance.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
paperwarior 08/17/22 9:35:48 AM #24:	MacArrowny posted... So it's a game of chance. Yeah, but there are other games of chance that involve choices or even strategy. I guess it's a game by definition, but it seemed kind of pointless to me if it could be resolved without any player interaction. --- "God Hand is the ultimate expression of the joy of humanity, specifically the punching part of the joy of humanity."-Shigeru Miyamoto <cite>paperwarior posted [p:967368744] in Does Chute... [t:80131581]...</cite> <quote>MacArrowny posted... </cite><quote>So it's a game of chance.</quote>Yeah, but there are other games of chance that involve choices or even strategy. I guess it's a game by definition, but it seemed kind of pointless to me if it could be resolved without any player interaction.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MZero 08/17/22 9:52:16 AM #25:	paperwarior posted... I've thought about this with the card game War. It's all luck. You don't even choose between unknown possibilities. If you want to determine something by who wins, you might as well flip a coin. The mechanics of the rules are just so you can stretch out the time used up. Yeah but War has way more hype potential than just flipping a coin --- MZero, to the extreme https://www.twitch.tv/kabazame <cite>MZero posted [p:967369008] in Does Chute... [t:80131581]...</cite> <quote>paperwarior posted... </cite><quote>I've thought about this with the card game War. It's all luck. You don't even choose between unknown possibilities. If you want to determine something by who wins, you might as well flip a coin. The mechanics of the rules are just so you can stretch out the time used up.</quote>Yeah but War has way more hype potential than just flipping a coin</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HanOfTheNekos 08/17/22 10:12:04 AM #26:	If just following dice or card draws without doing anything denies it being a game, then here's a question: What about a board game that does have a lot more rules and player decision, but there is one singular path of decisions you can make to win? Is that still a game? Or does it become a puzzle? I'm thinking about games like Ghost Stories, Pandemic. Illusion of choice, at least if you are trying to win. --- "Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic <cite>HanOfTheNekos posted [p:967369342] in Does Chute... [t:80131581]...</cite> <quote>If just following dice or card draws without doing anything denies it being a game, then here's a question:What about a board game that does have a lot more rules and player decision, but there is one singular path of decisions you can make to win? Is that still a game? Or does it become a puzzle?I'm thinking about games like Ghost Stories, Pandemic. Illusion of choice, at least if you are trying to win.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingButz 08/17/22 11:00:47 AM #27:	Isn't that like many adventure games? You have to use object x on person y in order to advance? --- to me hero's is just bad person <cite>KingButz posted [p:967370301] in Does Chute... [t:80131581]...</cite> <quote>Isn't that like many adventure games? You have to use object x on person y in order to advance?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HanOfTheNekos 08/17/22 11:15:53 AM #28:	I suppose the argument there would be that you have to at least navigate and explore in those adventure games. Finding a single key feels a little more gamey to me than having three keys sitting in front of you and only one of them ever working, then rinse and repeat. --- "Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic <cite>HanOfTheNekos posted [p:967370599] in Does Chute... [t:80131581]...</cite> <quote>I suppose the argument there would be that you have to at least navigate and explore in those adventure games. Finding a single key feels a little more gamey to me than having three keys sitting in front of you and only one of them ever working, then rinse and repeat.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
charmander6000 08/17/22 11:55:18 AM #29:	While there is very little skill, luck still plays a big part. The game isn't deterministic in the sense that if we played the game, went back in time and played the same game we would get different roll orders. As an aside, as a kid I learned to have precise muscle movement for dice/coins to get what I wanted. For example, I was able to flip a coin (with it turning multiple times in the air) and get what I wanted >80% of the time. I remember my math teacher calling BS on me for flipping a coin 100 times and getting 85 heads, had to flip a coin in front of them 10 times to show that I can somewhat control it. --- Congratulations to azuarc for winning the guru challenge <cite>charmander6000 posted [p:967371493] in Does Chute... [t:80131581]...</cite> <quote>While there is very little skill, luck still plays a big part. The game isn't deterministic in the sense that if we played the game, went back in time and played the same game we would get different roll orders.As an aside, as a kid I learned to have precise muscle movement for dice/coins to get what I wanted. For example, I was able to flip a coin (with it turning multiple times in the air) and get what I wanted >80% of the time. I remember my math teacher calling BS on me for flipping a coin 100 times and getting 85 heads, had to flip a coin in front of them 10 times to show that I can somewhat control it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AriaOfBolo 08/17/22 12:19:14 PM #30:	GuessMyUserName posted... lmao plebs just taking the top card of candy land my parents used to stack the deck just to make the game end faster --- New name, new gender, same great Bolo flavor! Now with no spaces! <cite>AriaOfBolo posted [p:967371978] in Does Chute... [t:80131581]...</cite> <quote>GuessMyUserName posted... </cite><quote>lmao plebs just taking the top card of candy land</quote>my parents used to stack the deck just to make the game end faster</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Underleveled 08/17/22 12:41:28 PM #31:	MZero posted... Yeah but War has way more hype potential than just flipping a coin Doesn't change the fact that the winner is determined as soon as the cards are done being shuffled --- darkx Twitch - MattyDsCorner Games beaten in 2022 - 16; Most recent - Pokemon Dream Radar <cite>Underleveled posted [p:967372459] in Does Chute... [t:80131581]...</cite> <quote>MZero posted... </cite><quote>Yeah but War has way more hype potential than just flipping a coin</quote>Doesn't change the fact that the winner is determined as soon as the cards are done being shuffled </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Underleveled 08/17/22 12:43:10 PM #32:	AriaOfBolo posted... my parents used to stack the deck just to make the game end faster Yeah my mom removed the Plummy card that sent the person who drew it back to like 10% of the way through the board. --- darkx Twitch - MattyDsCorner Games beaten in 2022 - 16; Most recent - Pokemon Dream Radar <cite>Underleveled posted [p:967372492] in Does Chute... [t:80131581]...</cite> <quote>AriaOfBolo posted... </cite><quote>my parents used to stack the deck just to make the game end faster</quote>Yeah my mom removed the Plummy card that sent the person who drew it back to like 10% of the way through the board.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xiahou_Shake 08/17/22 1:11:03 PM #33:	I'd say that strictly deterministic games like War or pure luck games like Chutes and Ladders etc are still games, though they're more "amusements" you participate in to kill time rather than anything especially engaging or IMO interesting. Something like Ludo with extremely limited player input is one step above that, but I'd say puzzle games like Ghost Trick are absolutely full fledged games - I think of them as a game you're playing against the creator. --- Let the voice of love take you higher, With this gathering power, go beyond even time! <cite>Xiahou_Shake posted [p:967373083] in Does Chute... [t:80131581]...</cite> <quote>I'd say that strictly deterministic games like War or pure luck games like Chutes and Ladders etc are still games, though they're more "amusements" you participate in to kill time rather than anything especially engaging or IMO interesting. Something like Ludo with extremely limited player input is one step above that, but I'd say puzzle games like Ghost Trick are absolutely full fledged games - I think of them as a game you're playing against the creator.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Great_Paul 08/17/22 1:11:45 PM #34:	I prefer Eels and Escalators --- Bear Bro https://backloggery.com/frausky <cite>Great_Paul posted [p:967373095] in Does Chute... [t:80131581]...</cite> <quote>I prefer Eels and Escalators </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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