Current Events > United States has been a rogue nation since 1945

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_A8LPtuX5c

Prove me wrong.
Only one nation has used a nuclear weapon against another nation... twice.
Only one nation has more firearms than people.

Goddammit @antifar, this is why I like you. I'm probably the last of the far-righties left on CE, mostly because Rand and Sowell and Reagan, and I'm slipping.

The use of nuclear weapons saved millions upon millions of Japanese civilians and US soldiers, so...

TheBrainbuster posted...

The use of nuclear weapons saved millions upon millions of Japanese civilians and US soldiers, so...

I don't disagree.
Operation Downfall was going to be a disaster, and we finally ran out out of the purple hearts minted for it in Afghanistan
https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/176762

TheBrainbuster posted...

The use of nuclear weapons saved millions upon millions of Japanese civilians and US soldiers, so...

No, it didn't. Russia (or rather, the Soviet Union) breaking neutrality did that.

Trumble posted...

No, it didn't. Russia (or rather, the Soviet Union) breaking neutrality did that.

Two cities were instantly obliterated, and also the Soviets are here, broke Japan's resolve pretty quickly.

Truman obliterated Hiroshima and Nagasaki because the Soviets were moving in.

Weren't more people cooked to death in the firebombings than both nukes combined?

Why do people never mention that and just focus on the nukes?

Priere posted...

Weren't more people cooked to death in the firebombings than both nukes combined?

Why do people never mention that and just focus on the nukes?

There is a mild difference when years-long bombing campaigns and dropping literally two bombs have comparable body counts.

Priere posted...

Weren't more people cooked to death in the firebombings than both nukes combined?

Tokyo had fire tornadoes.

DrizztLink posted...

There is a mild difference when years-long bombing campaigns and dropping literally two bombs have comparable body counts.

The one night firebombing of Tokyo killed around 100k alone. It didnt take an entire year to rack up the count

Priere posted...

The one night firebombing of Tokyo killed around 100k alone. It didnt take an entire year to rack up the count

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/9/0/AABUaRAADa6y.jpg
2000 tons of ordinances.

Two bombs.

Stop being obtuse.

48 hours is a hell of a lot longer than instantaneous.

Oh boy, it's time for yet another atomic bombs topic

DrizztLink posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/9/0/AABUaRAADa6y.jpg
2000 tons of ordinances.

Two bombs.

Stop being obtuse.

You're the one being purposely dense, as always. You completely missed the point of the question and try to downplay what happened.

Having lived overseas, The U.S. is legitimately the most terrifying country in the world.

indica posted...

Having lived overseas, The U.S. is legitimately the most terrifying country in the world.

Were I to make a guess, the nation that would fear the US the most would be Zimbabwe.
Russia and China are making active stabs at America's sole hyperpower status. Canada is a best buddy, almost all of Europe are friends, and the entire western hemisphere is dominated (including Cuba, Venezuela, and also Denmark)

Zimbabwe is the only part of the old British empire that has not been cleaned up.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Two cities were instantly obliterated, and also the Soviets are here, broke Japan's resolve pretty quickly.

Truman obliterated Hiroshima and Nagasaki because the Soviets were moving in.

The officials responsible for the decision to surrender were not even aware of Nagasaki at the time said decision was made.

The bombs were necessary. The alternative was invasion which would have been far worse. We still have a surplus of purple hearts because so many were made in anticipation of the casualties.

WorsCaseOntario posted...

We still have a surplus of purple hearts because so many were made in anticipation of the casualties.

They finally ran out in Afghanistan

Trumble posted...

The officials responsible for the decision to surrender were not even aware of Nagasaki at the time said decision was made.

A meeting was held the day of the Nagasaki bombing and adjourned without reaching a consensus on surrender. The Emperor didn't make his final decision until several days later.

We were going to blow up Kokura, but it was too cloudy.

The nukes were way better option For Japan then being half occupied by the Soviets

Lord_Shadow posted...

half occupied by the Soviets

that happened anyway
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakhalin

I still don't understand why cities were nuked and not, say, an empty island off the coast of Japan. That way would have demonstrated the power of the nukes without the human death toll

What does rogue nation mean?

The nuclear weapons were used because 1) congress needed to justify the billions in unaccounted for research budget, and
2) Truman wanted Japan to surrender to the US to gain it as a strategic location, rather than Japan falling in the hands of the Soviet Union, a rising power with opposed ideology.

It had nothing to do with saving lives lol

It's kind of interesting how much the US is considered the bad guys in modern for stomping Japan shit in by the end. When they were objectively the bad guys with a goal and ideology very similar to the Nazis.

Nor are they ever called out for refusing to surrender, years prior, continuing a hopeless war, and sending near a entire generations of youths their deaths to protect their cowardly high command.

Doe posted...

The nuclear weapons were used because 1) congress needed to justify the billions in unaccounted for research budget, and
2) Truman wanted Japan to surrender to the US to gain it as a strategic location, rather than Japan falling in the hands of the Soviet Union, a rising power with opposed ideology.

It had nothing to do with saving lives lol

Would Japan have done well in the Soviet Union?
Casual reminder that the Soviets absolutely hated the Japanese because of the war they lost in the 1800s.

DarkRoast posted...

Would Japan have done well in the Soviet Union?
Casual reminder that the Soviets absolutely hated the Japanese because of the war they lost in the 1800s.

The Americans absolutely hated the Japanese lol.

Doe posted...

The Americans absolutely hated the Japanese lol.

Truman didn't kill 20 million people in 10 years for the sole reason of those people being not American enough.