Poll of the Day > Elmo gets CoVid shot and sparks fight with Tom Cruz

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/29/ted-cruz-elmo-sesame-street-covid-vaccine/?utm_source=reddit.com

Elmo be causing controversy yet again.

Relevant:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNjSjBzcs9I

Do people get this agitated over any other mandatory vaccines?

FatalAccident posted...

Do people get this agitated over any other mandatory vaccines?

The left said the pandemic was serious so the right went "bullshit"

sorry I only care about Bert and Ernie or Grover

Zareth posted...

The left said the pandemic was serious so the right went "bullshit"

The left were originally opposed to the vaccine.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

The left were originally opposed to the vaccine.

what

I'm 99% sure there are no vaccines that work on puppets

Lokarin posted...

I'm 99% sure there are no vaccines that work on puppets

i bet theres one to ward off weevils

VampireCoyote posted...

what

SKAR proving once again that he doesn't live in our reality

Zareth posted...

SKAR proving once again that he doesn't live in our reality

It was developed during the Trump administration so democrats were quite out spoken about rejecting it.

Just like how they spent 4 years casting doubt on the election process before saying how secure it was this time.

And just like how they supported protests which resulted in "autonomous zones" yet the one where the protesters didn't declare themselves independent from the rest of the country was treason.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

It was developed during the Trump administration so democrats were quite out spoken about rejecting it.

you are very much not correct

Big oof

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

It was developed during the Trump administration so democrats were quite out spoken about rejecting it.

n...no?...

you're pretending the rest of the world is as tribal as you are

VampireCoyote posted...

you are very much not correct

Here's a congressman saying it happened.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w58_rNmavAA

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Here's a congressman saying it happened.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w58_rNmavAA

you really cant help yourself can you?

scalise still thinks donald trump won the election, his views aren't grounded in reality

agesboy posted...

scalise still thinks donald trump won the election, his views aren't grounded in reality

He played a video of both Biden and Harris saying it. I don't care what his views are on other issues, he showed evidence of it happening.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

He played a video of both Biden and Harris saying it. I don't care what his views are on other issues, he showed evidence of it happening.

that evidence is really being misconstrued though and misrepresented, I think you know that and if you cant tell then yikes

they werent expressing anti-vaccine views, just anti-trump views

thankfully the trump team ended up having very little to do with the actual production of the vaccine. Most of the producers actually turned down federal aid so that they wouldnt be influenced by his administration

why are you even posting a video of a video of a video anyways

post the original interviews if you want to use that as evidence of anything

how long before that account goes into purg too

Zareth posted...

The left said the pandemic was serious so the right went "bullshit"

they initially downplayed the virus too, and then said they wouldn't take "trump's" vaccine

I feel bad for the Onion these days. Imagine having to compete with this.

Krazy_Kirby posted...

they initially downplayed the virus too, and then said they wouldn't take "trump's" vaccine

Trump's "vaccine" was injecting cleaning products.

Collat posted...

I feel bad for the Onion these days. Imagine having to compete with this.

I often feel like they wouldn't have had to if one of Hillary's corporate sponsors, I forget which one, hadn't bought them out conveniently during the Primary season of late 2015 or early 2016. I can't say for certain if that was enough to turn the tide back then, but the sudden, unusual silence from The Onion when it came to politics, at least around that time, didn't help things, imo.

Adam_Savage posted...

how long before that account goes into purg too

That depends on two factors. One, how many people are marking their posts? And second, how much of a rat's ass are the mods or admins going to give?

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

It was developed during the Trump administration so democrats were quite out spoken about rejecting it.

Some were, but most recognized that Trump himself had little to do with any of the vaccines and the anti-vaxx sentiments were mostly bipartisan (as they usually are). There was, of course, some extra skepticism because of the circumstances, but again, that's not partisan so much as it is understanding science and the stakes at play.

And then once a Democrat was in power the official "do the opposite of what the dems want" position became to oppose the vaccine, so that created a slant to the right, compounded by the fact that being educated enough to understand nascent science is more common among the left (though only marginally).

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Just like how they spent 4 years casting doubt on the election process before saying how secure it was this time.

Not on the election process, on the extent to which foreign powers had influenced the outcome. The Mueller investigation wasn't looking at election security, it was looking at efforts to manipulate voters.

Trump, on the other hand, did spend his entire 2016 campaign spinning the narrative that the only way he could lose is because of the widespread fraud the democrats were definitely committing (a claim made without any evidence), then after winning, continued to insist that that fraud was the reason he lost the popular vote. He kept that narrative going through his entire presidency and the 2020 election, which came to a head when people that believed in his narrative tried to murder the people they thought were responsible.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

And just like how they supported protests which resulted in "autonomous zones"

Most BLM supporters and participants did not support or participate in the autonomous zone idea.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

yet the one where the protesters didn't declare themselves independent from the rest of the country was treason.

That was an explicit attempt to overthrow a democratically elected government and install their favourite candidate as president against the will of the country. How can you not consider that treason?

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

The left were originally opposed to the vaccine.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

It was developed during the Trump administration so democrats were quite out spoken about rejecting it.

delusional much? Trump was the one saying we didnt need it. Dems were literally the only ones getting the vaccine during this time

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

It was developed during the Trump administration so democrats were quite out spoken about rejecting it.

What a shameless fucking lie.

Ted.

Lmao it's crazy how people try to rewrite history and just don't care

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Just like how they spent 4 years casting doubt on the election process before saying how secure it was this time.

The problem is the Electoral College. Which did stray from the popular vote in one of those two elections.

adjl posted...

Some were,

Literally nobody.

Only Trump considered Pfizer Moderna or even J&J as his vaccine. It was his own supporters that were bitching about it even back then.

I would like to get Oscar the Grouch's take on this, as I assume he would have had more exposure to needles than most other muppets.

agesboy posted...

n...no?...

you're pretending the rest of the world is as tribal as you are

This did actually happen, it wasn't imaginary..

Initially, Trump was all-in on the Vaccine - that was really his only solution or reaction to the pandemic. In fact, he's largely responsible for why the US was vaccinated so quickly because he fronted millions to back the vaccine. Many people openly stated they would never get a vaccine that he 'rushed' through as the solution.

Eventually, after he lost the election, the sides flipped.

I found it quite hilarious at the time.

11110111011 posted...

This did actually happen, it wasn't imaginary..

Initially, Trump was all-in on the Vaccine - that was really his only solution or reaction to the pandemic. In fact, he's largely responsible for why the US was vaccinated so quickly because he fronted millions to back the vaccine. Many people openly stated they would never get a vaccine that he 'rushed' through as the solution.

Eventually, after he lost the election, the sides flipped.

I found it quite hilarious at the time.

youre delusional if you actually think this is true

Zenithian Legend posted...

I would like to get Oscar the Grouch's take on this, as I assume he would have had more exposure to needles than most other muppets.

lmao

I do remember people very early on (like before the vaccines ever went public) expressing wariness of any vaccine that Trump himself had any direct hand in (and rightly so, given all the potential solutions that he's suggested). Thankfully he hasn't had any.

In any case I don't see how past left wing doubts would have any relevance relevance at all since much of the right wing is still vehemently opposed to any sort of response to covid. Trump has actually been supportive of the vaccines, but whenever he brings it up he gets booed by his own supporters.

Trump wasn't even out of office yet when the first "vaccine microchip" rumors started going around

11110111011 posted...

In fact, he's largely responsible for why the US was vaccinated so quickly because he fronted millions to back the vaccine. Many people openly stated they would never get a vaccine that he 'rushed' through as the solution.

Eventually, after he lost the election, the sides flipped.

You are completely dethatched from reality if you believe any of that.

VampireCoyote posted...

they werent expressing anti-vaccine views, just anti-trump views

I think so too. But they argued that the development of the vaccine was rushed and it hadn't been thoroughly tested. So if you were someone who agreed with them then, it was still true when they were the ones who mandated it.

agesboy posted...

why are you even posting a video of a video of a video anyways
post the original interviews if you want to use that as evidence of anything

I don't want to require that someone watch an 11 minute interview just to see the 30 seconds that I'm talking about. The point is that democrats expressed distrust in the federal government and argued for "vaccine hesitancy" before it was even made available. I think a longer video where they talk about several issues would only distract from that point.

Collat posted...

Trump's "vaccine" was injecting cleaning products.

That's a lie. He asked a question if bleach could be used that way. He never advised people to use bleach that way.

adjl posted...

Some were, but most recognized that Trump himself had little to do with any of the vaccines and the anti-vaxx sentiments were mostly bipartisan

Fair points. But that just confirms what I said about Biden, Harris, and other prominent democrat figures being outspoken about rejecting the vaccine.

adjl posted...

Not on the election process, on the extent to which foreign powers had influenced the outcome. The Mueller investigation wasn't looking at election security, it was looking at efforts to manipulate voters.

I consider that to be part of the election process. Similar to how democrats suppressed information about Biden's dealings in Ukraine and the laptop.

adjl posted...

Most BLM supporters and participants did not support or participate in the autonomous zone idea.

I don't see how that changes anything in my comment. Those protests still resulted in autonomous zones and several prominent democrats expressed support for them.

adjl posted...

That was an explicit attempt to overthrow a democratically elected government and install their favourite candidate as president against the will of the country.

I am in total agreement with this statement. Where we disagree is whether the attempt succeeded.

Nichtcrawler-X posted...

The problem is the Electoral College. Which did stray from the popular vote in one of those two elections.

Those were the rules and they were agreed to beforehand. However, in one of those elections the rules were changed in ways that there wasn't agreement over.

VampireCoyote posted...

they werent expressing anti-vaccine views, just rejecting any claims by Trump that he was responsible for the vaccine.

FTFY

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Fair points. But that just confirms what I said about Biden, Harris, and other prominent democrat figures being outspoken about rejecting the vaccine.

Gonna need a source for that.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

That's a lie. He asked a question if bleach could be used that way. He never advised people to use bleach that way.

A distinction without a difference. It was a completely moronic thing to say.

Collat posted...

Gonna need a source for that.

@adjl Do you have source to prove that the anti-vaxx sentiments were mostly bipartisan?

Collat posted...

A distinction without a difference.

No, those absolutely are very different things.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

I think so too. But they argued that the development of the vaccine was rushed and it hadn't been thoroughly tested. So if you were someone who agreed with them then, it was still true when they were the ones who mandated it.

If it helps, I was also concerned that the vaccines may have been rushed and inadequately tested, independent of any comments Biden et al made or whether or not Trump was endorsing them. The fact of the matter is that this was a very short vaccine development timeline with very high stakes and a lot of incentive to cut corners to be the first to market, and that reality has nothing to do with political leanings.

Then they came out, and the various regulatory agencies shared the data that was considered in approving them and some of the strategies used to complete the process so quickly (like conducting clinical trial stages in parallel instead of in sequence), which did a lot to bolster my confidence. Perhaps most significantly, though, the nature of the triaged rollout meant that people were getting the vaccines for months before I was even eligible, so I had hundreds of millions of doses to base my analysis on, which was enough to satisfy my skepticism.

There was reason to be skeptical of the covid vaccines. Absolutely. There's enough data now, though, that that reason is gone (or at least, legitimate skepticism can be answered and dispelled). Reality has changed, so our reaction to reality must follow suit.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

I consider that to be part of the election process.

You can make that argument, but it's still outside of anything the government can control or secure without going full North Korea, and it's definitely not relevant to concerns of voting fraud.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

I don't see how that changes anything in my comment. Those protests still resulted in autonomous zones and several prominent democrats expressed support for them.

The fact that most left-leaning folks don't support the autonomous zones changes quite a bit about the validity of the belief that a meaningful portion of left-leaning folks support the autonomous zones. Namely, it renders it completely mistaken.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

I am in total agreement with this statement. Where we disagree is whether the attempt succeeded.

I don't think it succeeded, so either you're mistaken about what I believe or you have some very dubious beliefs about what came of the insurrection.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

@adjl Do you have source to prove that the anti-vaxx sentiments were mostly bipartisan?

Anti-vaxx sentiments have been bipartisan for about as long as they've been around. From the left, it's hippies placing mistaken faith in the naturalistic fallacy, from the right, it's religion and misplaced machismo. For Covid specifically, I expect the split leans more to the right, given that so much of the movement (and the response to Covid in general) has turned into deliberately defying the democrats, but there's still plenty coming from the left. During at least one of the waves in BC, Nelson was a major hotspot, and Nelson is exceptionally hippie-dominated even by BC standards (it's where the family that was convicted of negligence for attempting to treat their toddler's meningitis with garlic and horseradish moved after serving their sentence to be among more like-minded people).

I can't be bothered to find specific data (though I'm sure it's out there and easy to find if you're curious), but low scientific literacy and a subsequent distrust of science is something that crosses party lines: people just don't understand this stuff.

Don't forget black folks being reminded of the Tuskegee Experiments. That can't be discounted.

adjl posted...

it's still outside of anything the government can control or secure without going full North Korea

Okay... Let's consider that. Given that information was tightly controlled in order to manipulate voters and get the election results they wanted, that means... what?

adjl posted...

The fact that most left-leaning folks don't support the autonomous zones changes quite a bit about the validity of the belief that a meaningful portion of left-leaning folks support the autonomous zones.

That's not what I stated though. I conceded earlier that I wasn't referring to all democrats, just the ones that are prominent figures in politics. Ergo, what normal think isn't a factor.

adjl posted...

so either you're mistaken about what I believe or you have some very dubious beliefs about what came of the insurrection.

I had some trouble following how you reached either conclusion. Then I remembered about your difficulties with abstract thinking and realized you're just confused.
Maybe some clues will help.
If I agree with what you said, and someone who did what you described had succeeded at it, who would be in power as a result?

adjl posted...

I can't be bothered to find specific data (though I'm sure it's out there and easy to find if you're curious), but low scientific literacy and a subsequent distrust of science is something that crosses party lines: people just don't understand this stuff.

@Collat He didn't have a source on that. Do you think I agreed with him too easily?

I thought this was about Tom Cruise and you just misspelled his last name.

Clever job getting me into a Ted Cruz topic! heh

Deja Blue 03 posted...

I thought this was about Tom Cruise and you just misspelled his last name.

Clever job getting me into a Ted Cruz topic! heh

Whoops my bad. I was tired when making this and accidentally typed the wrong name.